Of admitting that Clinton is winning because more voters like her than Sanders.

Lots of reasons, but the obvious one is that some primaries are closed. Some voters are locked out, skewing the results, so no telling who is actually more popular.

You act like this is some sort of new phenomenon.

Are you prepared to say that all previous nominees from either party have been illegitimate?

I also made no claim that this delegitimizes the eventual nominee. I merely pointed out that a primary victory isn't equivalent to being the most popular.

If you want to go argue that other crap, feel free, but it has nothing to do with what I wrote.

In GE matchups, Bernie is dramatically ahead of Trump; Hillary is in a dead-heat and plummeting fast.

Just sayin......

I'd agree with you. But since people are being kicked off the voting roles, state DNC chairs are switching the rules mid-game, and the national DNC chair goes after one campaign for non-existent violence it makes one think that the game is, well...rigged!

It's a self-evident fact, much like Trump's nomination is positive proof that the GOP is chock full of assholes.

We merely think it reflects badly on the direction of the party...and her supporters...that they support her.

The system is rigged. Even in states where Bernie earned more support and got more votes than Clinton, she earned more delegates. Look at the numbers, shes losing to tRump!

What is your point about the merits of "popularity" ...?

On an unrelated note:

HRC has scored more Goals than Sanders; but, she would be losing, if we counted Sanders' Baskets and Touchdowns!

They support her either because they've been convinced by the propaganda that she is more "electable" or Fiorst Woman president....but they also have told me they prefer Bernie and his policies.

Don't understand why people are voting for her when her negative numbers are so high. Bernie has a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary. He is certainly more trustworthy.

I prefer to have a REAL PROGRESSIVE represent us & NOT a Wall Street kiss ass!
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-majority-americans-dislike-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-n578926

#NEVERHILLARY! #NEVERTRUMP!


I VOTE FOR WINNER AGAINST Trump - That's why I'm #BernieOrBust

What part of Hillary winning more votes than Sanders is so hard to understand for some of his supporters?????

do HRC supporters not understand? Nevada fucking its delegates over has nothing to do with the most votes. States shutting down/changing polling sites has nothing to do with the most votes. A DNC chair who from the very beginning of the primaries has been attacking one campaign has nothing to do with the most votes. Had this primary been free of all this nonsense and the results were the same then I would concede that the people want Hillary as President.

But as it stands the establishment can pick and choose who we have leading our country. If it happened to us you can be sure that this will happen to you too.

so to hell with the rest of us.

The kind that stinks for the rest of their born days.

need to announce they are never going to vote for Hillary. I think most of the arguments and announcements in GDP are pointless, don't you?

with your time? I know I would, if I thought it was pointless. Obviously, I think there is something worthy here to discuss or I -would- find something better to do with my time.

own I guess, most of GDP including this OP isn't worthy of "discussion" though it is worthy of argument.

Have a nice day.

treated like shit by hothouse hypocrites.

Entitled assholes are us.

cause I think I saw something much worse happen with Hillarys support.

point you're attempting to make.

am I mentioned?

Fahrenheit 451. No,I haven't seen the movie,what is the point you're trying to make?

thank you.

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Privileged shitheels R us!

They support the candidate who never met a war she didn't like. Her supporters won't have to go fight it.

They support the candidate who fought to end "Welfare as we know it" and dismantle the social safety net. Of course Hillary supporters won't even need welfare.

They support the candidate who will continue the disastrous "free" trade deals that have decimated the middle and working classes. But, Hillary supporters are doing fine, so it won't bother them.

They support the candidate who is a groupie for the big banks and Wall Street. That's all well and good for the well heeled Hillary fans.

Hey you've got yours right? Tough luck to all the "little" people.

I love how it's ok to summarize and dismiss an entire ethnic group, so long as they're white.

Hillary has taken it upon herself to make sure that no one derails their gravy train. Plus she and Bill and even lil' Chelsea get to wet their beaks, so it's all good for Team Clinton.

For innocent villagers in poor countries and America GIs who also die in the wars, not so much.

Opposing Hillary's corporatism and fealty to,the military-industrial complex is not being pro-Trump. Why the HRC crowd can't grasp this simple concept astounds me...

but at least Rall would keep his "purity" intact

And where has that gotten us?

Anyone who supports Hillary is supporting more pillaging of the poor by the rich, more war, less goods for the working people.

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" I trashed Hillary Clinton."

Fascism did...


I know the "soap and lamp shades" is a bit of a raw hyperbole but it gets to a truth.

but most were too ignorant and busy fawning over and 'rah rah'ing for their team to notice. We had a chance to make a change, though..."

I was too self absorbed and cynical, sorry your lives were destroyed due to my selfishness.

Hillary certainly has the collusion between corporate and government part down, and her stint at SOS strutting around in her Dr Evil costume blowing up countries like Libya dont help her case either.

Trumps plays the nationalist authoritarian part well

God help us with either one. Go Bernie!!

Wanting to overturn the popular vote is the sine qua non of fascism. In its absence fascism can never come to pass... The strong leader always knows better... Only one candidate is suggesting the popular vote be overturned.

And who do you see trying to do so?

I see HRC and her goons like Brock, DWS and others cheating, rigging, supressing whenevet they think they can get away with it.

In case not, i mean that bulk popular vote doesnt decide candidates, were not a direct democracy, but a representative one.

they like monsters.

so in reality, if she is to make any gains it will more than likely be from the right where her politics and voting history are more in line with what Conservatives respect, and Progressives loathe.

I've been misinformed!!

At least she has the Prince of Peace on her side



By the way, what is it with the Clintons and finger-wagging? Bill does it. Hillary does it. Heck, even Henry does it. Yet when Bernie does it, it's some sort of unforgivable insult.

...regarding presidential elections.

Sounds privileged to be able to afford to ignore the threat of Trump. Also, foolish to not recognize the utter irresponsibility in refusing to join with Democrats in opposition.

program. Why not just vote republican?

Now you're just making stuff up.

Why shouldn't a cartoonist prefer a President Trump? Hillary would be downright boring in comparison.

It will be hard to have your cartoons published from a gulag.

Sid

Then it is over.

You have a secret crush on Trump...and why should we care and in two weeks we won't have to see stuff like this...can hardly wait.

Posting such a quote without any comment is the same as advocating for "NeverHillary"

As such, it should have been hidden, in my opinion.

If you're not,allow me: there's a double standard at work here,Rall's sexist language should be the first clue.

It was still possible to believe Kerry COULD be pushed/shoved/nudged in a progressive direction.

We've evolved beyond that naivete.

If a candidate walks like a war-hawk, talks like a war-hawk and hangs out with Henry Kissinger then the likelihood of voting for a war-hawk is obvious, as is the likelihood of voting for future wars with your ballot.

He was fired from Kos for racist depictions of the President.

Obama didn't vote for the IWR, so one must ask oneself--why are these lines in the sand crossable for some candidates, but not others.

We didn't have another option like Sanders, that is one big difference.

Remember him? The guy you started this website over?

No?

and if you've seen Hillary's speech to congress on her vote, there was no nuance about it, she strongly supported it, not just for her own vote, but advocating that others vote the same way.

For many on the left, myself included, Kerry's having been on both sides of the IWR WAS a problem for us. But even to me, Kerry has consistently been a less hawkish voice than Hillary.

Ted Rall is one of the best out there. His wording in the OP is harsh, but heart-felt and IMHO on target.

There is no excuse for it. Zero. Zilch. The case for war was clearly bogus and the consequences have been horrific.

In the general election the Republican is almost certainly worse when it comes to militarism, corporatism, and a host of other issues. I refused to support John Kerry in the 2004 primary but I travelled to Ohio to GOTV for him because GW Bush is a war criminal who belongs in prison not the White House.

But I am bloody sick of voting for the lesser evil.
We're being played for chumps. Enough is enough.

Why should we have to settle for the lesser evil?

I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary Clinton, for reasons in addition to her Iraq war vote.

I cannot in good conscience fail to do what little I can to keep a narcissistic fascist demagogue out of the White House.

Come November, if Hillary is the Dem nominee and my home state of Illinois has any chance of flipping to Trump I'll probably flip the D switch for POTUS, then get blind stinking drunk. I'll hate myself in the morning.

But I can understand why so many have finally said enough is enough and will refuse to be a chump.

Not wanting Hillary equals privilege. When was that issued?

It's almost like a script for a bad movie.

I flushed it right away, but you know, it just keeps floating back up.

I am white, Jewish background, but I am not a guy and sure not rich. Go Bernie

If you support Bernie, you must be white dudebro, therefore you're sexist and racist.

Foundation. Should Bernie not be able to pull this out at the convention, and that my prayers aren't answered and there is an indictment, I am resigned to having to vote for the lesser of 2 because I am afraid Trump's message seems to be working in Michigan, at least enough to put it in play.

because he really took the starch out of that argument

It seems a shame all those GW appts were rubber stamped.
maybe all that anthrax?

but foolish & self-absorbed in the extreme to support the weaker candidate going into the convention.

The Party should overwhelmingly nominate the best and strongest opponent to Trump, and all the legitimate polls say that is Bernie, by far.

It ain't over yet.

It was a flop and then they have the gall to bring a sequel

than Hillary?

And to me...it doesn't matter why he feels "never Hillary" if he's that angry.

The key understanding is that we're being played for chumps! If you don't think they'll continue to play the "scary SCOTUS card" every chance they get -- well, I have beachfront property in Nevada for your consideration.

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indeed!

I absolutely do not understand why the Democratic Party is not 100% behind Bernie!!!

#BernieOrBust

#DropOutHillary

Bayh (D-IN). Biden (D-DE). Breaux (D-LA). Cantwell (D-WA). Carnahan (D-MO). Carper (D-DE). Cleland (D-GA). Clinton (D-NY). Daschle (D-SD). Dodd (D-CT). Dorgan (D-ND). Edwards (D-NC). Feinstein (D-CA). Harkin (D-IA). Hollings (D-SC). Johnson (D-SD). Kerry (D-MA). Kohl (D-WI). Landrieu (D-LA). Lieberman (D-CT). Lincoln (D-AR). Miller (D-GA). Nelson (D-FL). Nelson (D-NE). Reid (D-NV). Rockefeller (D-WV). Schumer (D-NY). Torricelli (D-NJ).

Every. Single. Democrat. Who voted for the Iraq war. They are all complicit. They all have blood on their hands. And I will not forgive them for it.

There was concern that the war would go quickly and that a "No" vote would be used against them in future elections.

In other words, they were willing to gamble innocent lives for their own selfish political purposes.

Despicable.

That's all I got to say for someone so stupid as this person.

He's a typical White male leftist who has little to nothing to fear when the Republicans take control of the govt. He knows that his privilege will protect him when shit goes down.

Fuck him.

You guys aren't even subtle about it.

The issue of waging wars is often divisive for a political party. It even can affect Republicans but Democrats in the 1960s went through a wringer over it.

That's a choice he'll have to live with

Gee, what a shock!

So fucking sue me then, tough guy...

I do hope that win or lose, the #NeverHillary crowd gets ostracized from the party the same way as the Nader 2000 voters were (and I can say that because I was a Nader 2000 voter)...

One thing she is not is dumb. If a lot of us knew the rationale for the Iraq War was baloney she did too. She wasn't the only one to be too coward to vote no but she is the one running for president.

We have to get away from perpetual war and the black hole that is the defense budget.

You mean the asshole who bashed Pat Tillman?

Fuck that guy.

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