2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSome comments following the Intel Professionals ltr to Obama
Here are a few of the comments following the lengthy article written to President Obama by the organization Veteran Intelligence Professionals asking him to speed along the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton without any regard to political consequence.
F. G. Sanford
May 23, 2016 at 8:45 pm
Its hard to imagine that Robert Gates, Eric Holder, President Obama, The Joint Chiefs and a host of others didnt have some inkling that Mrs. Clinton was using a clandestine email server. Or, that when she shared spicy tidbits provided in retroversion from Sidney (Sid Vicious) Blumenthal, they didnt wonder where she was getting unvetted NSA type data. As Ray [McGovern] alludes, various intelligence agencies probably know the contents of those emails. They must suspect what may have been compromised, and can guess what may have been deleted. Of course
that begs the question: Did they let it happen on purpose (LIHOP)? Its impossible for us mere mortals to know whats really afoot. Certainly, anyone who has served in the military knows that every nation is exposed to hostile threats, and that subversive activity directed against the national defense is an ever-present danger. Secrecy is tantamount to preserving the strategic advantage afforded by knowing what they think we dont know. Rumsfeld had a name for that. But other things which are classified in nature are simply classified in order to conceal illegal activity. Jeffrey Sterlings objections to Operation Merlin would fall into that category. Despite the prohibition against operating domestically, our intelligence agencies are still tickling the ivories of the Mighty Wurlitzer and meddling in the scripted Hollywood and mainstream media versions of the truth. Operation Mockingbird never went away. So, a window on their activities is readily available to the unwashed masses
if you know where to look. Favorite playgrounds for tweaking public (mis)perception are Snopes and Wickipedia. Various agencies edit, moderate or otherwise inform such outlets, and it pays to know which pundits are married or financially related to which inside players. If you already have a pretty good handle on which laws Mrs. Clinton broke lets say you were in the military and you attended the annual, mandatory Subversion and Espionage Directed against the United States briefing twenty five or thirty times and then you read the Wikipedia version of the scandal, youll note that they mention the relatively innocuous Title 18 Section 1924, but avoid the more applicable (and more punitive) Section 793. They also avoid the applicable statutes against embezzlement, obstruction of justice, perjury and a host of other felonies. The takeaway message is that this is all a matter of retroactive classification, over classification, interdepartmental squabbling over turf issues, and the like. In other words, No big deal. The truth is, if a real investigation were conducted, it could end up like Winnie the Poohs sweater when Eeyore unraveled the whole thing. Somebody would sooner or later have to ask
What did The President know, and when did he know it?
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Joe Tedesky
May 23, 2016 at 10:36 pm
Once again Americans will need to take a deep breath, and swallow the double stand pill of American life, that there is one set of rules for the masses, and another kinder set of rules for the elitist of our nation. The only one who suffered from that time that First Lieutenant G.W. Bush went AWOL, was Dan Rather. Not even Rathers descriptive support of that unbelievable one bullet theory saved him, from this elitist class of cheats. Better watch where you go, is what I take from this Bush/Rather story. Although, Sandy Berger must have known where to go. Lets see a normal nobody get caught stuffing classified documents down their pants, and then see if they will be allowed to issue a guilty plea to a (ready for this) Misdemeanor. I guarantee you, your misdemeanor plea would not be so generously accepted, by the courts. Another State Department executive using unsecure communication lines, was Victoria Nuland. Who will ever forget Victoria talking to Geoffrey Pyatt. Their conversation was where Nuland made comments such as, Yats is the guy and where she also declared to Pyatt F#+k the EU. Apparently our State Department employees dont care or know the slightest thing about security. Here again, maybe their arrogant hubris gets ahead of them at times, and for this they can rely on that double standard rule for them, kicking in. Dont try this at home folks, you could be prosecuted, and sent away for a very long time.
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Wanda Zimmerman
May 23, 2016 at 11:09 pm
There is a lot of attention given to a Presidents legacy.
It appears that President Obama may feel that he owes the DNC and others something. I cannot imagine any debt that is worth allowing a criminal, saying she is sorry, and it wasnt marked classified to become president. Anyone with a clearance knows that you are responsible for all information, whether it is marked or not. Such a ridiculous statement for someone who would be Commander in Chief to make. Can you say passing the buck?
I also question what could President Obama possibly owe anyone to allow the multiple and repeated acts of voter suppresion to go un questioned, allowed. All acts only hurting candidate Bernie Sanders and greatly benefitting Hillary Clinton, the apparent bias of the DNC and Ms. Wasserman-Shultz is unforgiveable.
President Obama you are set for life, you and your family have and will continue to live blessed lives.
Please have your legacy be that you stopped the corruption, you called it all out, HRCs desire to evade the FOIA program, her failure to turn over all work product when she left office, her blatant disregard for our countrys international security, and the DNCs failure to support our 2nd democratic candidate for president and to frauduently bias everything toward the coronation of HRC.
I dont see anything that you would have to lose and I do see, with your actions, that The People would have their democracy returned from the oligarchy that has reigned for decades.
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Bill Bodden
May 23, 2016 at 11:10 pm
There have been several references to the very likelihood of hackers having access to Clintons private email server. If this is true then some people must surely be in possession of explosive information that could blow Hillarys canoe out of the Potomac. Can it be that a few of Hillarys (or Americas) many enemies are just waiting for the right moment to make waves of tsunami proportions?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Uses the State department like a money laundering operation, and exposes national secrets to any twobit hacker in Eastern Europe.
And the latter gets to run for President! Against a man who is a family friend!
leveymg
(36,418 posts)If the FBI report gets fudged and she ends up the Democratic candidate, after all this, I will mourn for the Old Republic. I've been doing that for a while, but hope still springs one more time. . .
grasswire
(50,130 posts)But an epic moment is ahead.
Will the center still hold?
To be determined, as you say.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)He has had almost 8 years to show us who he is, to stand up to "business as usual" and "fundamentally change the way things are done in Washington". He has NEVER done it. And yet you think maybe this will be the time?
Sorry, I am not with you. It think it is up to the FBI to push this one through for the score. Obama is on the other team.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I would think he is really pissed, particularly after the disastrous policy choices she pushed in Libya and Syria. Don't forget that the dogs were loosed on Petraeus (who was also a serial regime change champion), and the impact of his security clearance violations (involved only one other person, who had a security clearance) were minute compared to hers.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)If you were in any field, like a corporation, and one of your underlings stabbed you in the back, or did a failed deal behind your back. . .
You don't hold that person closer and protect that person. What you do is call that person out for damaging the company. If you hold them close then you are embracing that mess. But if you distance yourself, you are putting the mess onto them and protecting yourself.
That whole "protect Hillary to preserve Obama's legacy" really doesn't pass the smell test, not common sense. The common sense it to ditch her and the whole mess she created. Otherwise you own it.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)He isn't about to prosecute his former Secretary of State, if he can help it, but he won't reward her by letting her become President. Whatever measures he takes against Hillary will be as far out of the public eye as possible. I don't think its really a cover-up mentality, it's more like he thinks its all for greater good.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)JudyM
(29,251 posts)from a clinton.com rather than state.gov address... Just really strange.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Who's going to question the Anointed One? Her staff must have known, or they were misled. In either case, what a shitty boss to involve them in felonies without any real need to do so.
Hillary may have gotten some really bad legal advice, or thought she would slide out of it. She may have been right. Maybe not. That's as close as I can figure it right now.