2016 Postmortem

Skwmom

(12,685 posts) Tue May 24, 2016, 05:51 PM May 2016

So, if President Obama's legacy gets tainted by all the Clinton stuff

(the Clinton Foundation, speaking fees, and lots of other stuff) how will that go over with Democrats who strongly support President Obama?

From the comments I've heard, I don't think it is going to go over well...

And they accuse Bernie of harming the party...

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So, if President Obama's legacy gets tainted by all the Clinton stuff (Original Post) Skwmom May 2016 OP

the email deal goes against Obama's promise to make his admin.. Jack Bone May 2016 #1

Risking the legacy of the first Black President should not be how the Democratic Party Skwmom May 2016 #6

Everything they do is projection. Everything from day one Ned_Devine May 2016 #2

You seem to be confusing current harm with imaginary future harm. randome May 2016 #3

Imaginary? Hmm... so no one has even thought of this as a possibility? Really? Skwmom May 2016 #7

Anything is possible. That doesn't mean we cower like cowards and refuse to help each other. randome May 2016 #10

Really? Well I guess remaining silent would be a BIG help to Trump and the GOP. Skwmom May 2016 #12

Same could be said for Sanders. Eko May 2016 #4

Bernie doesn't have the TONS of baggage that Clinton has. Skwmom May 2016 #5

And Sanders doesn't have the TONS of extra votes that Clinton has. randome May 2016 #9

I did not realize Eko May 2016 #13

cha: "Thanks hilary for being such a lying, pandering fighter for yourself when you didn't fight MisterP May 2016 #8

I think one iota is not quite true. Eko May 2016 #14

Why is there always an exception to the rule? annavictorious May 2016 #15

President Obama is torpedoing this own legacy with the TPP and TTIP. Vincardog May 2016 #11

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)

1. the email deal goes against Obama's promise to make his admin..

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:03 PM

May 2016

the most transparent.

AND to do it all w/ someone that he despises, Blumenthal.

it's really not the way you should treat your boss.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

6. Risking the legacy of the first Black President should not be how the Democratic Party

Reply to Jack Bone (Reply #1)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:18 PM

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treats one of their most loyal groups.

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)

2. Everything they do is projection. Everything from day one

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:04 PM

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randome

(34,845 posts)

3. You seem to be confusing current harm with imaginary future harm.

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:06 PM

May 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

7. Imaginary? Hmm... so no one has even thought of this as a possibility? Really?

Reply to randome (Reply #3)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:22 PM

May 2016

randome

(34,845 posts)

10. Anything is possible. That doesn't mean we cower like cowards and refuse to help each other.

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #7)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:27 PM

May 2016

Like it or not, Clinton is the favored of the Democratic Party. You can complain about that all you want but you're doing no one a service.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

12. Really? Well I guess remaining silent would be a BIG help to Trump and the GOP.

Reply to randome (Reply #10)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:28 PM

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But that is not my goal.

Eko

(7,318 posts)

4. Same could be said for Sanders.

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:07 PM

May 2016

Not that I think Clinton or Sanders will do such a thing, just pointing out the problem with that argument.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

5. Bernie doesn't have the TONS of baggage that Clinton has.

Reply to Eko (Reply #4)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:17 PM

May 2016

randome

(34,845 posts)

9. And Sanders doesn't have the TONS of extra votes that Clinton has.

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #5)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:22 PM

May 2016

Apparently voters disagree with you. I'd hope you could be objective enough to consider you might be wrong but...
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Eko

(7,318 posts)

13. I did not realize

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #5)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:28 PM

May 2016

when you said "Clinton stuff" that you meant baggage. Fair enough. Pretty sure "socialist president" would be touted by the gop relentlessly though, and if his presidency did not work out that well one could easily say that the baggage he brought (wrong and unfair as it is) tarnished Obama's legacy. Point is this is an exercise in futility, unless we can see into the future it's all what if's and anyone can make what if's into what they want.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)

8. cha: "Thanks hilary for being such a lying, pandering fighter for yourself when you didn't fight

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:22 PM

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against bush one fucking iota."

Eko

(7,318 posts)

14. I think one iota is not quite true.

Reply to MisterP (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:35 PM

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Hillary Clinton cosponsored legislation to expand protections for worker’s pensions and cosponsored bills to protect overtime pay for working Americans. Fighting alongside her Senate colleagues against the Bush Administration’s efforts to cut overtime pay for millions of workers, she said on the Senate floor, “I have yet to hear a compelling reason that some workers currently eligible for overtime should lose that eligibility.” Hillary also cosponsored legislation to strengthen the law requiring employers to give workers advance notice before mass layoffs are announced.
http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-fighting-for-americas-workers/

annavictorious

(934 posts)

15. Why is there always an exception to the rule?

Reply to MisterP (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:38 PM

May 2016

And why does it always benefit the career politician from Vermont?
How much blood is on Sanders hands? How many people has he played for fools?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-loves-this-1-trillion-war-machine.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/27/bernie-sanders-savior-or-seducer-of-the-anti-war-left/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/30/the-myth-of-bernie-sanders/

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)

11. President Obama is torpedoing this own legacy with the TPP and TTIP.

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:27 PM

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