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Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:37 AM Nov 2012

Frank Schaeffer: "1 Not-So-Simple Pretty Funny Question for the 73% of White Evangelicals

Who Will Apparently Be Voting for Mitt Romney"


http://www.alternet.org/election-2012/1-not-so-simple-pretty-funny-question-73-white-evangelicals-who-will-apparently-be

If the polls are correct here’s the question I'd like to ask evangelicals using their own style of language/concerns/theological thinking as applied to their choice:

What’s the explanation for the fact that white American Evangelicals made the allegedly philandering lying ignorant braggart lapsed Roman Catholic Dinesh D'Souza their anti-Obama hero, embrace a pro-choice Mormon bishop who promoted abortion and Planned Parenthood in MA, are working to elect a job-destroying tax-avoiding lying flip-flopping-tell-anyone-anything-they-want-to-hear Swiss bank account collecting draft dodger running with a disciple of the God-hating, Jesus-mocking hater-of-the-poor Ayn Rand, for their presidential candidate and look the other way as a crazed ultra-Zionist many Israeli Jews fear billionaire casino owner who is being investigated for allegedly making billions off the dirtiest Chinese gambling Communist Party-controlled outfit in the world funds the enterprise, at the very same time as Franklin Graham sold his ailing father Billy’s soul and denied core evangelical theology by taking Mormonism off the Billy Graham organization’s list of cults in order to help the Mormon pagan-ritual-performing, Trinity-denying, casino-money-grubbing billionaire-coddling, earth-destroying global-warming denying Mormon bishop win respectability for his dead-Jews-baptizing-polygamy-rooted-reality-denying-interplanetary Masonic lodge-embracing faith in an election against an exemplary modest faithful husband good father compassionate smart black evangelical Christian President whose major accomplishments include saving the economy, ending a war, killing our greatest enemy, giving health care to children and the poor and the "least of these" and who has tried to reduce the number of abortions by helping women escape poverty in a reenactment of the lesson of the parable of the Good Samaritan?

Go figure.

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Frank Schaeffer: "1 Not-So-Simple Pretty Funny Question for the 73% of White Evangelicals (Original Post) Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2012 OP
Whoa, take a breath, Frank. But yeah, great rant and thanks for posting it here. freshwest Nov 2012 #1
If you click on the link Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2012 #3
Yes, I like his wrtiing. I went to link but only scanned. Think I'll go and enjoy myself there! freshwest Nov 2012 #4
a quibble caraher Nov 2012 #2
That term isn't the sole property of the Rick Warren crowd. It's a general term, IMHO. freshwest Nov 2012 #5
It's true that it's not owned by the RW caraher Nov 2012 #7
Yeah, that's why he's supporting Gay Marriage.. I'm not going Cha Nov 2012 #9
I'm not really interested in speculation about his religious beliefs either caraher Nov 2012 #26
Yes! Cha Nov 2012 #29
We, as a church family, XemaSab Nov 2012 #10
Evangelicalism can be less rigid, more progressive. Those who've gone RW... Oh, well. freshwest Nov 2012 #11
Yes, and pro-choice fasttense Nov 2012 #20
And at one time, homosexuality, women's choices, politics, wars and Israel were not discussed. freshwest Nov 2012 #22
in general terms all christians are because paul roguevalley Nov 2012 #27
No the president isn't "evangelical"..not if it's this from the dictionary.. Cha Nov 2012 #8
Thank you, Frank Schaffer! Excellent questions..if only they Cha Nov 2012 #6
I thought it was the old, "could God make a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it?" CreekDog Nov 2012 #12
well, that's one man who tells it like it is. bbgrunt Nov 2012 #13
I just sent this to my delusional fundie sister trusty elf Nov 2012 #14
That has so many classics! Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #19
Most evangelicals wouldn't see "global warming denying" as a negative nxylas Nov 2012 #15
Many so-called "Christians" hide behind the premise of "goodness".... inamatteroftime Nov 2012 #16
Actually, a LOT of them are obsessed with being anti-commie... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #21
Amen, brothah world wide wally Nov 2012 #17
The answer is: libmom74 Nov 2012 #18
Close. It's actually because .... Scuba Nov 2012 #23
"Auto Industry Attack ad from Romney campaign hits new low. AmandaInAustin Nov 2012 #24
Thanks, keep hitting it! freshwest Nov 2012 #28
knr Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #25
Maybe its about money. BootinUp Nov 2012 #30
Ok Frank, please tell us how you REALLY feel.... lexx21 Nov 2012 #31
This goes back to March 2010 Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2012 #32
kick grantcart Nov 2012 #33
Wow! K&R.... ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #34

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
3. If you click on the link
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:52 AM
Nov 2012

Frank has a link for almost every phrase/word in his rant. Something tells me he had a great time writing this....always had a way with words.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
2. a quibble
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:52 AM
Nov 2012

Obama is "evangelical?" Did it rub off on him when he hung out with Rick Warren or something?

Otherwise... what he said.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
7. It's true that it's not owned by the RW
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:27 AM
Nov 2012

Jimmy Carter largely introduced it to the world.

But I've not seen anything before that suggested Obama's brand of Christianity is "evangelical." Though apparently those who are interested in speculating on his views seem to think he's moved in that direction...

Cha

(297,652 posts)
9. Yeah, that's why he's supporting Gay Marriage.. I'm not going
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:32 AM
Nov 2012

to the link..I'm not interested in that.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
26. I'm not really interested in speculation about his religious beliefs either
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:15 AM
Nov 2012

That was just the one place I saw that clearly used the frame of "evangelical Christianity" in discussing Obama's religion.

In the end, I just care about what he does as president.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
10. We, as a church family,
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:34 AM
Nov 2012

acknowledge, that we will, building on this affirmation of "who we are" and "whose we are," call men, women, boys and girls to the liberating love of Jesus Christ, inviting them to become a part of the church universal, responding to Jesus’ command that we go into all the world and make disciples!

http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. Evangelicalism can be less rigid, more progressive. Those who've gone RW... Oh, well.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:35 AM
Nov 2012

Thanks for the article, will share it.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
20. Yes, and pro-choice
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:47 AM
Nov 2012

At one time, the Christian Evangelical church argued that life began, as it says in the bible, with a babies' first breath. In fact there is much more evidence in the bible for the "breath of life" or the first breath to be the moment when the soul goes into the body than there is in the bible for the moment of conception to be the beginning of life.

I think Evangelicals need to go back and read the real bible, and not the RepubliCON bible.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. And at one time, homosexuality, women's choices, politics, wars and Israel were not discussed.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:01 AM
Nov 2012

At churches I went to long ago, Israel was more of an ideal and not a geographic area, wars were for the government to decide, and secular authority was not questioned. Religion was private and in the family, not at school or work.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
27. in general terms all christians are because paul
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:22 AM
Nov 2012

Has Jesus say all must tell the good news to the world

Cha

(297,652 posts)
8. No the president isn't "evangelical"..not if it's this from the dictionary..
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:29 AM
Nov 2012
6. Characterized by ardent or crusading enthusiasm; zealous

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/evangelical

inamatteroftime

(135 posts)
16. Many so-called "Christians" hide behind the premise of "goodness"....
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:17 AM
Nov 2012

associated with attending church. Some very disturbed, frustrated, mean individuals hide behind going to church. They talk it but can't walk it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
21. Actually, a LOT of them are obsessed with being anti-commie...
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:53 AM
Nov 2012

This has led many to defend Capitalism but they still claim greed is a sin.

It's caused a major conflict in their thinking.

Keep in mind that these people didn't vote. They were more interested in doing good works and helping the poor and the downtrodden and lifting people's spirits. Being gentle and kind and full of mercy and charity. They were all about spiritual enlightenment and being seen as angels among us.

Then the Republicans infiltrated their churches.

Now they have a long list of things they hate.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
23. Close. It's actually because ....
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:31 AM
Nov 2012

... the other guy is black. Otherwise they'd have nothing to do with Rmoney.

AmandaInAustin

(13 posts)
24. "Auto Industry Attack ad from Romney campaign hits new low.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:41 AM
Nov 2012

"Auto Industry Attack ad from Romney campaign hits new low. GM calls latest Romney auto ad ‘Politics at its cynical worst” Plus: Romney Has Refused to Speak to the Press for the Last 3 Weeks about his views on FEMA OR to be accountable for his advertising (11/2/12)
*Please Repost via the ‘Share’ button below
onto your Facebook wall! Share w/groups too!

**Article Below About Romney’s 3 Week Refusal to Talk to the Press:

Mitt to press: Talk to the hand: Here in the waning days of the campaign, Mitt Romney has a message for the press: Talk to the hand.

“For those keeping score at home, today marks three weeks since Mitt Romney last took a question from a reporter,” Garrett Haake of NBC News tweeted Wednesday.

Romney’s silence flared as an issue a day earlier when, at a campaign-rally-turned-Sandy-relief-event, he refused to answer reporters’ questions about his stance on FEMA. At a Republican primary debate, he’d appeared to suggest scrapping the federal agency. (His campaign released a statement Wednesday, almost two days after Sandy struck, saying he’d keep FEMA after all.)

But that’s hardly the only issue that Mitt has stayed mum on lately. As Ed Schultz noted Wednesday night, Romney has refused to give specifics on his budget and tax plan; declined to say where he stands on nuclear talks with Iran; avoided commenting on Indiana GOP Senate hopeful Richard Murdoch’s controversial rape remarks; and dodged taking a stance on the Lilly Ledbetter Act helping women fight pay discrimination. Romney even has refused to go on Nickelodeon to talk to schoolkids.

It comes down to who do you trust,” Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who chairs the DNC, told Ed.
Romney has “either been blatantly dishonest,” she said, “or refused to answer where he is. And President Obama has consistently been there.”

*From The Ed Show blog, linked at: http://tv.msnbc.com/shows/the-ed-show/ by Zachary Roth 10/31/2012

*See the Clip of the Deceptive Ad & Discussion on The Ed Show at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101774578

lexx21

(321 posts)
31. Ok Frank, please tell us how you REALLY feel....
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:31 PM
Nov 2012

don't be afraid to hold anything back. You are among friends here.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
32. This goes back to March 2010
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:12 PM
Nov 2012

when Schaeffer wrote a guest editorial for BradBlog entitled, "Will the Right Turn (More) Violent?"

##snip##

"With the Senate having now passed the final reconciliation changes to the health care reform bill, the Republicans from their 'Tea Party' wing to their high priest of hallucinatory fantasy, Glen Beck, are about to pay a historic price for the biggest miscalculation in American political history since Charles Lindbergh sided with the Germans."

##snip##

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7766#more-7766

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