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George II

(67,782 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:17 PM May 2016

Project 538 has updated their California forecast! It's not good for Sanders..

In just two days they went from a 93% Clinton win to a 98% Clinton win.

And the actual vote forecast is now 62.3% to 36.1%, a 26.2% margin for Clinton. That translates to about a 125 delegate advantage.

This one is over folks, on to the general election!

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/california-democratic/

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Project 538 has updated their California forecast! It's not good for Sanders.. (Original Post) George II May 2016 OP
It'll be over before California StayFrosty May 2016 #1
Brnnie folks made a mistake picking Demsrule86 May 2016 #2
Picking on DWS didn't help him with Democrats in Fl either... Sancho May 2016 #3
Attacking a popular Dem from the most-important state left on the agenda... TwilightZone May 2016 #13
The same people who gave Clinton a 98% chance to win Michigan? d_legendary1 May 2016 #4
No one expects you to "buy it". But this is over, on to the General Election. George II May 2016 #6
you can speculate all you want Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #5
I don't work for Project 538. I'm not speculating, just reporting. On the other hand... George II May 2016 #9
Lol~ sheshe2 May 2016 #15
The dems lose. She is a terrible liberal. Nt Logical May 2016 #21
Well, that's a terribly convincing argument. TwilightZone May 2016 #23
If numbers like these are confirmed by pollsters for Sanders, Tal Vez May 2016 #7
That's not likely, he still thinks he can win.... George II May 2016 #11
He's kind of expecting a last-minute miracle. TwilightZone May 2016 #17
62/36 seems a bit optimistic TwilightZone May 2016 #8
Sanders is not going to come close to the number of delegates he needs to win the nomination. Thinkingabout May 2016 #10
The Sanders campaign comes up with something new just about every day. To date.... George II May 2016 #12
If she wins lancer78 May 2016 #14
No, it would be a LEAD of 125 delegates. George II May 2016 #16
Depends on how many lancer78 May 2016 #18
The cons may have different rules leftynyc May 2016 #30
Who'll break the news to BS? grossproffit May 2016 #19
Lol, you hill fans say this is OVER every fucking Tuesday. Logical May 2016 #20
That's because it's been over for 5-6 Tuesdays now. TwilightZone May 2016 #22
Yet Bernie was still winning states from miss inevitable, weird. Nt Logical May 2016 #24
Math is hard TwilightZone May 2016 #26
It has essentially be over since March 1. George II May 2016 #25
There are 17 or 18 polls here in California... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #27
I didn't think that Oregon poll was very recent, which is why 538 never did a forecast for them. George II May 2016 #29
Project538... ThinkCritically May 2016 #28

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
3. Picking on DWS didn't help him with Democrats in Fl either...
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:23 PM
May 2016

It looks like Bernie will be clobbered in June.

George II

(67,782 posts)
9. I don't work for Project 538. I'm not speculating, just reporting. On the other hand...
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

..the ONLY way Sanders can win would be for him to get 67% of California, which would be a swing ~30 points. Even if the forecast isn't right on, it certainly isn't off by >30%

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
7. If numbers like these are confirmed by pollsters for Sanders,
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

is it possible that he might suspend his campaign so as to avoid this kind of humiliation?

No matter what his supporters might say, Sanders is a politician and he has at least one eye on the future.

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
8. 62/36 seems a bit optimistic
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

Their polling average is 55/38, so they must be seeing a pretty significant trend upward for Hillary if they're forecasting 62/36.

Guess 2:1 Sanders isn't likely going to happen.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
10. Sanders is not going to come close to the number of delegates he needs to win the nomination.
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:39 PM
May 2016

I read another post tonight saying Hillary had to have the required delegates with only pledged delegates, well it means Sanders can not find the pledged delegates necessary to get to 2383 in pledged delegates only. Can't have two rules here.

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. The Sanders campaign comes up with something new just about every day. To date....
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:40 PM
May 2016

...none of them have been realistic.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
18. Depends on how many
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:03 PM
May 2016

counties she carried. McCain got 93% of all delegates in California in 2008 because he carried all but 3 counties.

LenaBaby61

(6,976 posts)
27. There are 17 or 18 polls here in California...
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 25, 2016, 04:29 AM - Edit history (1)

And IIRC, there was one poll in Oregon which allegedly showed Hillary Clinton winning that state by big margins, which I never believed--her winning Oregon by big margins. Here in California, it's a totally different story with SO many polls showing a California win for SoS Clinton in a couple of weeks. The good thing is that these polls are RECENT, and most quite credible.

 

ThinkCritically

(241 posts)
28. Project538...
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:29 AM
May 2016

uses a forecast model to get their numbers. Here is what they say about the forecast model:

"In designing the polls-plus forecast, we considered an array of possible predictors, including: endorsements, state and national fundraising totals, favorability ratings, ideology ratings and national polls. Just about all of these have some positive correlation with primary and caucus outcomes: Candidates with higher favorability ratings are more likely to see their ballot-test numbers go up than down, for example. And candidates who are good ideological “fits” for their states overperform their polls more often than not.

In the end, however, we opted for a relatively simple three-variable model, rather than a “kitchen sink” approach. The variables are state polls, endorsements and national polls. The model also considers how the projected results in Iowa might affect New Hampshire and how the results in those states might affect subsequent states. I’ve already described the process by which state polls are used, so I’ll focus on the other factors now."

"In theory, the polls-plus model should be more accurate than the polls-only model, but it’s a pretty small difference; in our backtesting, polls-plus was more accurate at predicting a candidate’s actual result 57 percent of the time"

What that tells me is that they willingly leave out specific information like favorability and ideology. They also include endorsements in their factors which means all of those super delegates who pledged their support already who haven't voted and won't vote until well after the California primary. They even state that their forecasts are correct only about 57% of the time.

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