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fanfan0711

(46 posts)
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:48 AM Nov 2012

Will he lose even if he wins?

I have a feeling that the media will spin an Obama win as a loss. They will compare his numbers on Tuesday to 2008, and he'll probably come up short. I think he won 350+ EVs in 2008 so they will spin anything less than that as a loss, same with internal numbers (young, whites, latinos, etc...) Oh, they will declare he won but quickly pivot to the demographics he didn't do as well in as 2008.

The fact that he won with all this citizens united money, the slander on him and his mom, all of Romney's lies, Republican obstruction, 24/7 anti-obama channel (FOX) that Clinton didn't have to deal with (FOX started in 1996...2nd Clinton term), and 7.9% unemployment. Heck I'm impressed, but I feel as if that man cannot seem to get the credit he deserves.

Even Democrats do it. A good convention, it's because of Bill Clinton (lots more where that came from but you get my point).

Anyone else feel the same?

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napi21

(45,806 posts)
1. They might, but they also say "A win is a win, no matter what the margin!"
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:52 AM
Nov 2012

Besides...who cares what the edia says. I want a Pressident Obama for the next four years, and I don't care how much of a margin he wins by!

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
2. A win is a win. I don't give a damn about the spin afterward.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:05 AM
Nov 2012

The executive branch sets rules for government agencies, controls the justice department and nominates supreme court justices.

Who cares what "they" think?

JB126

(165 posts)
4. I don't care what they say
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:35 AM
Nov 2012

When we win, we will have a MANDATE! O no longer needs to cater to them out of fear for re-election. He now will work on his presidential legacy. Time to take the bull by the horns and get shit done!

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
7. They'll say lots of shit.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:15 AM
Nov 2012

Do you really think that they'll suddenly grow a conscience and admit that they fabricated a horse race for months now.

After a few days, they'll move on and find new things to spin like the fiscal cliff, or promoting the Keystone XL pipeline, skewing coverage of ME events, downplaying climate change, and selectively ignoring the impact of trade agreements, Wall street crimes, abuses by authorities, and black-out of activists like Occupy, Leftist South American movements, and the anti-austerity movement exploding in Europe.

After the shit that the MSM has put us through once again, I can't fathom how anyone could ever tune in to them again.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
9. Let them spin their asses off. As long as President Obama is back in the White House, I don't care.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:27 AM
Nov 2012

Not one bit.

Scubamatt

(33 posts)
10. Agree, but
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:20 AM
Nov 2012

Absolutely agree that our "friends" on the right and the "liberal" (aka corporate) media will not allow the meme to be that Obama overcame unlimited money (from who knows where), voter purges and an obstructionist House blocking every reasonable step to get the economy on the right track. So . . . It is up to us, to start forcing/framing that message in conversations with friends and colleagues, letters to the editor, blogs, local media, etc. Repetition at the local level is where it starts. The republicans were able to shift the playing field simply by repeating (loudly and with increased outlets through the media) that "government is bad" (remember Reagan's speech?) and that the media is liberal. It took a while for those memes to sink in, but they have done so because the republicans are really good at it and because they do now control the media, especially talk radio. Not trying to be pollyannish here, but our side truly has forgotten the power of messaging. We think that our case will speak for itself though the power of facts, but that's not how the majority of the public digests the political scene.

fanfan0711

(46 posts)
15. " our side truly has forgotten the power of messaging"
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:07 PM
Nov 2012

Boy, you are so right about that. Sometimes I like the fact that Dems can be nuanced but there are times I'm frustrated we don't speak in more bumper sticker terms. Ex: Romney/Ryan and medicare. Dems say "they will end medicare as we know it". That last part is always there, why? nuance. Do you think Republicans would bother saying "as we know it" with every sentence?
Also, do you remember one of Priorities USA 1st ads with the guy whose wife ultimately died of cancer? The media, including some on MSNBC ripped the superpac AND Obama to shreds because the wife didn't die as a direct result of Bain. Yet, Romney's ads are 10x worse right now, and they don't back down or apologize for ANYTHING. Heck, we still haven't seen those tax returns and Romney's close. When Obama started running Bain ads, his own surrogates rebeled (Booker, Clinton). We eat our own, Republicans spin.

fanfan0711

(46 posts)
12. The story line is about this election
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:45 PM
Nov 2012

Besides he does have a legacy to worry about.
He can not run for president again, but why will he NEVER run for office ever again? He probably won't, but I don't know that for sure. Why do you sound so certain?

fanfan0711

(46 posts)
16. Until November 6th at 11pm
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:14 PM
Nov 2012

When the election is called for Obama I know NOTHING for sure. Absolute terms is how people ended up so devastated over Obama's 1st debate performance. He's going to crush, demolish, eviscerate, annihilate Romney, all those were thrown around before the 1st debate and then....
Based on the numbers I think Obama will win on Tuesday but I won't know until Tuesday.

Mz Pip

(27,453 posts)
14. There will be plenty of spinning
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:06 PM
Nov 2012

gnashing of teeth and clutching of pearls. Fox will go out of their way to deligitimize Obama. Whatever.

A win is a win is a win.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
17. Don't recall it affecting GWB too much...even those who think he and SCOTUS stole it.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:22 PM
Nov 2012

Republicans to voters ... Deal With It.

Even though I don't think this is a possibility, it's best to get the response wired into the emotional and messaging hard drive. Democrats to Republican ... Deal With It...and move Forward. No excuses. No second-guessing.

Also, about the MSM...there is nothing in it for them to ride a dead horse. It is just a horse race to them and when one falls, the lead horse still gets the Winner's Circle.

fanfan0711

(46 posts)
18. There is a LOT Bush got away with
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:35 PM
Nov 2012

that Obama wouldn't. Also, I no longer trust the media to just report facts (i.e Obama won). The conversation will be

Media: "Obama won. What say you Republicans?"
Republicans: "Obama actually underperformed with Jews, Hispanics, etc..."
New media narrative: "Obama won but underperformed with key groups"

3 days later media narrative: "Obama underperforms"

The winning part? Gone. I've seen it repeat over and over these past 4 yrs

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