2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDean took over the DNC and where are we today? DWS stepping down AFTER the damage is done
would be an illusion and nothing more.
Dean ended up being a health insurance lobbyist willing to do and say anything to keep the corporatist in power.
We get the government we are willing to settle for.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)pengu
(462 posts)If they had canned her as soon as she started gaming the debate schedule, we'd have something to talk about. Instead they've let her run crooked and rampant through this entire primary. Who cares if you fire her after all the damage has already been done? It's worthless kabuki at that point.
I would like to see her go but yeah, it should have been done at the beginning when it was clear she was putting her thumb on the scale for Clinton in the election. The fact it was allowed to continue throughout the entire campaign speaks volumes.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I stand corrected.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)It would not have changed the results, when I voted it did not enter my mind who the DNC Chair was, no it would not have resulted in a Sanders victory.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Where saying you are a populist isn't something elected Democrats run from.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Do you think Debbie was neutral during this campaign?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)an epidemic in this party. Politicians lie with ease.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)In DWS dealings as Chair has been fair, what has not been fair is the continual disparaging remarks Sanders has made about the DNC during the campaign and in the past years. The DNC allowed a proclaimed Independent to run in the DNC primary, Sanders accepted the DNC ruled and started the disparaging remarks.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Dean was always a highly-privileged centrist. http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?6246-Dean-Before-the-Scream-and-Now
For just one thing, he had an A or A+ rating from the NRA (compared with Bernie's D- or F rating that no one here seems able to get over, but Dean's a hero because he endorsed Hillary). For another, he signed civil unions into law, but the Vermont legislature passed it--and he opposed equal marriage.
I think appointing him of the DNC may have been part of a deal for him to drop out in 2004. Speculation. It's just how it looked to me at the time: "Oh, you ran against me? How can I possibly repay you for that? Would you like to head the DNC?" Or not. It doesn't really matter. Point is, no one elected him and the only people who elected the man who appointed him were the citizens of Massachusetts, who elected him Senator. So, I don't know how we take the blame for what Dean did as DNC head. That said, Dean did light years better than Kaine and DWS anyway. Similarly, even though I did help elect Obama, I don't take the blame for DWS. I never voted for her for anything, not even as lesser of two evils.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Bernie supporters were going to cry foul anyway.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)...end up stuck with shit government.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Hopefully it's something more than Sanders 2016.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)You are part of thr establishment. I owe you nothing, least of all an explanation.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Nothing
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Your opinion of me is irrelevant.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)But there is no notable action being taken by the preachers. Showing up in 2016 and complaining about how terrible things are isn't really action. The Sanders crowd love to judge everyone else and tell them how wrong they are. But they can't handle a bit of questioning.
This article is great at describing the situation: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/campaign-stops/do-sanders-supporters-favor-his-policies.html
"Perhaps for that reason, the generational difference in ideology seems not to have translated into more liberal positions on concrete policy issues even on the specific issues championed by Mr. Sanders. For example, young Democrats were less likely than older Democrats to support increased government funding of health care, substantially less likely to favor a higher minimum wage and less likely to support expanding government services. Their distinctive liberalism is mostly a matter of adopting campaign labels, not policy preferences."
The difference between Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters is that Clinton supporters live Democratic policy and Sanders supporters are enjoying the campaign before the next thing comes up. And this translates to the campaign. Hillary is a "doer." Bernie is a "dreamer."
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I've read your establishment status quo garbage on this board for years. Not interested in your faux fingerpointing shit one little bit.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Though it might have been coincidental, but he put resources into winning.