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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:42 AM May 2016

Dean took over the DNC and where are we today? DWS stepping down AFTER the damage is done

would be an illusion and nothing more.

Dean ended up being a health insurance lobbyist willing to do and say anything to keep the corporatist in power.

We get the government we are willing to settle for.

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Dean took over the DNC and where are we today? DWS stepping down AFTER the damage is done (Original Post) Skwmom May 2016 OP
True, but it's interesting that the idea is being floated. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #1
Having her step down at the END of the crooked primary isn't going to make me unified pengu May 2016 #2
I agree pmorlan1 May 2016 #4
Allowed to continue? It was cheered! merrily May 2016 #11
Yes pmorlan1 May 2016 #12
Good point. I'll edit my post. Skwmom May 2016 #6
Would this have changed the complaining every time Sanders lost? Thinkingabout May 2016 #3
The "blame Dems first" crowd doesn't really care. JoePhilly May 2016 #5
The FDR Democrats want to return this to a party of the people. Skwmom May 2016 #8
Question pmorlan1 May 2016 #7
No. Though it seems that saying you remain neutral while being anything but seems to be Skwmom May 2016 #9
Sanders has been treated very fairly, he has complained through the whole process. Thinkingabout May 2016 #13
Let's see. merrily May 2016 #10
In other words,it doesn't matter who was running the DNC sufrommich May 2016 #14
I'd say what a leap of logic but I don't think any logic is involved. Skwmom May 2016 #16
Even those of us that aren't willing to settle for it...... 99Forever May 2016 #15
What have those of us not willing to settle for it done to change it? Renew Deal May 2016 #18
You aren't one of us. 99Forever May 2016 #19
That's the answer I expected Renew Deal May 2016 #20
I don't give. a damn what you "expected." 99Forever May 2016 #21
There is a lot of preaching about the ills of society. Renew Deal May 2016 #22
Best you find somebody else to fucking lecture. 99Forever May 2016 #23
There is no questioning the success under Deans tenure Renew Deal May 2016 #17

pengu

(462 posts)
2. Having her step down at the END of the crooked primary isn't going to make me unified
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:47 AM
May 2016

If they had canned her as soon as she started gaming the debate schedule, we'd have something to talk about. Instead they've let her run crooked and rampant through this entire primary. Who cares if you fire her after all the damage has already been done? It's worthless kabuki at that point.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
4. I agree
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:51 AM
May 2016

I would like to see her go but yeah, it should have been done at the beginning when it was clear she was putting her thumb on the scale for Clinton in the election. The fact it was allowed to continue throughout the entire campaign speaks volumes.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. Would this have changed the complaining every time Sanders lost?
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:50 AM
May 2016

It would not have changed the results, when I voted it did not enter my mind who the DNC Chair was, no it would not have resulted in a Sanders victory.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
8. The FDR Democrats want to return this to a party of the people.
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:00 AM
May 2016

Where saying you are a populist isn't something elected Democrats run from.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
9. No. Though it seems that saying you remain neutral while being anything but seems to be
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:00 AM
May 2016

an epidemic in this party. Politicians lie with ease.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
13. Sanders has been treated very fairly, he has complained through the whole process.
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016

In DWS dealings as Chair has been fair, what has not been fair is the continual disparaging remarks Sanders has made about the DNC during the campaign and in the past years. The DNC allowed a proclaimed Independent to run in the DNC primary, Sanders accepted the DNC ruled and started the disparaging remarks.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. Let's see.
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:01 AM
May 2016

Dean was always a highly-privileged centrist. http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?6246-Dean-Before-the-Scream-and-Now

For just one thing, he had an A or A+ rating from the NRA (compared with Bernie's D- or F rating that no one here seems able to get over, but Dean's a hero because he endorsed Hillary). For another, he signed civil unions into law, but the Vermont legislature passed it--and he opposed equal marriage.

I think appointing him of the DNC may have been part of a deal for him to drop out in 2004. Speculation. It's just how it looked to me at the time: "Oh, you ran against me? How can I possibly repay you for that? Would you like to head the DNC?" Or not. It doesn't really matter. Point is, no one elected him and the only people who elected the man who appointed him were the citizens of Massachusetts, who elected him Senator. So, I don't know how we take the blame for what Dean did as DNC head. That said, Dean did light years better than Kaine and DWS anyway. Similarly, even though I did help elect Obama, I don't take the blame for DWS. I never voted for her for anything, not even as lesser of two evils.



sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
14. In other words,it doesn't matter who was running the DNC
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:05 AM
May 2016

Bernie supporters were going to cry foul anyway.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
18. What have those of us not willing to settle for it done to change it?
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:22 AM
May 2016

Hopefully it's something more than Sanders 2016.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. You aren't one of us.
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:27 AM
May 2016

You are part of thr establishment. I owe you nothing, least of all an explanation.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
22. There is a lot of preaching about the ills of society.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

But there is no notable action being taken by the preachers. Showing up in 2016 and complaining about how terrible things are isn't really action. The Sanders crowd love to judge everyone else and tell them how wrong they are. But they can't handle a bit of questioning.

This article is great at describing the situation: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/campaign-stops/do-sanders-supporters-favor-his-policies.html

"Perhaps for that reason, the generational difference in ideology seems not to have translated into more liberal positions on concrete policy issues — even on the specific issues championed by Mr. Sanders. For example, young Democrats were less likely than older Democrats to support increased government funding of health care, substantially less likely to favor a higher minimum wage and less likely to support expanding government services. Their distinctive liberalism is mostly a matter of adopting campaign labels, not policy preferences."

The difference between Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters is that Clinton supporters live Democratic policy and Sanders supporters are enjoying the campaign before the next thing comes up. And this translates to the campaign. Hillary is a "doer." Bernie is a "dreamer."

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
23. Best you find somebody else to fucking lecture.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

I've read your establishment status quo garbage on this board for years. Not interested in your faux fingerpointing shit one little bit.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
17. There is no questioning the success under Deans tenure
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:21 AM
May 2016

Though it might have been coincidental, but he put resources into winning.

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