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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:10 PM May 2016

From Robert Reich on Facebook re: Bernie or Bust

Last week I suggested Bernie supporters do three things: (1) fight like hell for Bernie until he either gets or loses the nomination, (2) if Hillary gets the nomination, fight like hell for her, and (3) regardless of who wins the nomination or the election, continue to build a powerful progressive movement.

Several of you disagree with (1), saying Bernie has no chance, and his continuing candidacy is just hurting Hillary, so he should bow out of the race. I’ll get back to this point in a subsequent post.
Here I want to address those of you who disagree with (2). As I understand your arguments, they fall into four categories:

1. Some of you say that by refusing to fight for Hillary (if she gets the nomination) you’ll show the political establishment you want the changes Bernie has been advocating. The problem with this logic is the “political establishment” is nothing but a bunch of people in comfortable and often privileged positions who will continue doing what they’re doing because they like the status quo, and won’t even be aware you’re not fighting for Hillary – unless, that is, Hillary loses to Trump. Which leads to the next argument.

2. Some of you say there’s no real difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. The problem with this logic is it's wrong. Regardless of what you may think of Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump is a true menace to this nation and to the world. He’s a narcissistic, xenophobic, hatemonger who, if elected, would legitimize bigotry, appoint Supreme Court justices with terrible values, and have his finger on the nuclear bomb. Need I say more? Which brings us to the third argument.

3. Some of you say a Trump presidency would be so horrible it would galvanize a forceful progressive movement in response. The problem with this argument is twofold. First, Trump could do huge and unalterable damage to America and the world in the meantime. Second, rarely if ever in history has a sharp swing to the right moved the political pendulum further back in the opposite direction. Instead, it tends to move the “center” rightward, as did Ronald Reagan’s presidency.

4. Finally, some of you say that even if Hillary is better than Trump, you’re tired of choosing the “lesser of two evils,” and you’re going to vote your conscience by either writing Bernie’s name in, or voting for the Green Party candidate, or not voting at all. I can’t criticize you for voting your conscience, of course. But your conscience should know that a decision not to vote for Hillary is a de facto decision to help Donald Trump.

What do you think?

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Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
1. No. I'm not voting for Hillary because I think she and Trump are unfit to be president.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:14 PM
May 2016

And, my decision to vote for neither is NOT a "de facto decision to help Trump".

Trump doesn't gain a vote if I don't vote for Hillary or him.

0-0 = 0

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
6. You know... I didn't think of things that way.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:40 PM
May 2016

I just realized your logic is sound.

I don't know how I feel right now. I think I'll shut myself up for a little while.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
2. If Democrats are so afraid of Trump, then they should nominate a candidate
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

that appeals to more voters.

oasis

(49,393 posts)
7. "Appoint Supreme Court Justices with terrible values". And that's
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

gonna plague the U.S. citizenry for at least 3 decades.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
8. My reason for voting for Hillary in the general despite voting for Bernie in the primary
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

Is in #3:

Second, rarely if ever in history has a sharp swing to the right moved the political pendulum further back in the opposite direction. Instead, it tends to move the “center” rightward, as did Ronald Reagan’s presidency.

Though your reason is up there in my list of reasons too. Hmmm maybe SCOTUS is #1, and the above reason is #2.

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