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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:06 PM May 2016

Hillary Fans and Surrogates can downplay today's Report on Hillary's E-mail Abuse

But the fact remains is the damage is done. Trump will beat her with this all the way to November if she is the nominee. She is too damaged with too much political baggage that the general voting population will never trust her with POTUS.

Remember 2004? The Bush campaign used Kerry's strength as a Military veteran against him. Imagine if he had a scandal like Hillary's private server hanging around his neck.

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Hillary Fans and Surrogates can downplay today's Report on Hillary's E-mail Abuse (Original Post) berni_mccoy May 2016 OP
T minus 13 days. grossproffit May 2016 #1
.. frylock May 2016 #26
Yup, that was the nice report.... Bob41213 May 2016 #33
... grossproffit May 2016 #34
That gif says it all! Partying when she should have been paying attention pinebox May 2016 #44
LOL Metric System May 2016 #2
I remember how laughable the attacks on Kerry's war record were too berni_mccoy May 2016 #3
Wait, you do know they were all lies, right? Actor May 2016 #51
That's the fucking point. The GOP won't even need to make shit up with Hillary berni_mccoy May 2016 #52
There is no story here as it relates to her. There is a huge story here as it relates to Actor May 2016 #54
bernie_mccoy fans overestimate Trump's appeal to GE voters. emulatorloo May 2016 #4
We didn't think G.W. could possibly become President, by fair means or foul, either. 1monster May 2016 #32
GWB presented himself as a moderate, unifying Republican Governor emulatorloo May 2016 #42
Report said violated policy scscholar May 2016 #5
Inspector General wasn't looking for violations of law... berni_mccoy May 2016 #14
*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP* Tarc May 2016 #6
You sure do a lot of CLAPPING lately. senz May 2016 #9
He keeps missing every other clap... berni_mccoy May 2016 #15
Did you read the report? karynnj May 2016 #19
This is what they don't understand. pinebox May 2016 #45
lol - clap clap - crap 840high May 2016 #38
I think penicillin can cure that clap panader0 May 2016 #40
Sure, let a right-wing witch hunt influence your vote. TwilightZone May 2016 #7
OBAMA'S State Department is "rightwing?" senz May 2016 #8
This didn't start with the State Department TwilightZone May 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #11
The FBI investigation actually was initiated by a request berni_mccoy May 2016 #12
No, it started with a good Democrat. John Kerry. senz May 2016 #18
The Inspector General Report IS from the State Dept. HooptieWagon May 2016 #23
The ONLY connection is that without Benghazi, there might not have been all those karynnj May 2016 #28
This started at John Kerry's request. 99Forever May 2016 #29
It started with Hillary. If she hadn't arrogantly disregarded protocols, rules, and 1monster May 2016 #35
John Kerry is a right winger? berni_mccoy May 2016 #13
Great minds think alike! senz May 2016 #20
Crickets. Several posters just lob bullshit bombs and then disappear when proven wrong ... AzDar May 2016 #22
Square No. 3 Fawke Em May 2016 #37
ROTFLOL...love it, you nailed it. EndElectoral May 2016 #49
It started with Kerry. 840high May 2016 #39
Exactly. HooptieWagon May 2016 #16
My thought is farleftlib May 2016 #24
Not if he carries on with the Vince Foster crap and blaming Hillary for Bill's JRLeft May 2016 #17
We are VERY LUCKY he is doing that - as unpleasant for the Clintons as it has to be karynnj May 2016 #21
How does blaming HRC for Bill's cheating attract women voters? emulatorloo May 2016 #46
Did I say it helps him? JRLeft May 2016 #53
No. I am just thinking out loud, riffing on what Karynnj said. emulatorloo May 2016 #55
Oh OK! JRLeft May 2016 #56
So the beatings will continue then. Seems to me BootinUp May 2016 #25
Yes, what "seems to you" is a pretty rigorous threshold of evidence. fancypants75 May 2016 #41
Because it is shit. No different than the others. Gonna have to base a win on something else. seabeyond May 2016 #27
They'd rather risk everything than to ever vote for a Democratic "Socialist". NorthCarolina May 2016 #30
No one except those who would never vote for her Demsrule86 May 2016 #31
The FBI & the IG aren't Republicans. pinebox May 2016 #48
She will carry 40+ states. arely staircase May 2016 #36
If she's indicted, seriously how can she go forward? EndElectoral May 2016 #43
She won't be indicted. emulatorloo May 2016 #47
I'm not so sure pinebox May 2016 #50

Actor

(626 posts)
54. There is no story here as it relates to her. There is a huge story here as it relates to
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

how badly antiquated the system still is.

The story about Hillary is a footnote.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
4. bernie_mccoy fans overestimate Trump's appeal to GE voters.
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

He's Palin in a dress. That plays well with Fox Fans. Sane voters won't elect him for the same reasons they did not elect Palin Vice President.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
32. We didn't think G.W. could possibly become President, by fair means or foul, either.
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

We were wrong.

Never underestimate the ability of the dark side to manipulate the system and low information voters.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
42. GWB presented himself as a moderate, unifying Republican Governor
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

And people bought it.



That being said, I do know Trump could possibly win. Remote chance but yeah.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
14. Inspector General wasn't looking for violations of law...
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:39 PM
May 2016

That's not their job. That's the job the FBI is doing at the request of John Kerry (see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512032261 ).

Still the report by the IG is damning enough.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
6. *CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

State Dep't rules aren't "laws", I'm afraid, and previous heads did it as well. Not a big deal in the end. This report vindicates Clinton more than anything.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
19. Did you read the report?
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

Previous secretaries did NOT do what Clinton did. At most, one, Powell, put SOME SD email on a private account. She put ALL her email on a private account on her own server.

What is clear is this was all done to avoid legitimate scrutiny by Congress or the media. It is clear that the intent of the SD rules is to keep records archived. The problem for HRC is that there is a pattern - this brings up the fact that the Rose Law firm records just went missing for two years after they were subpoenaed. It reaffirms the negative image that she is willing to be open and transparent. This brings up not following the rules and not telling the FULL truth as well.

Remember years ago, when some pundit spoke of how it would not have hurt Bill Clinton had he been the one to misspell "potato" - there was no preconceived view of him as dumb (much the opposite). It hurt Quayle because there had been that image for him and the misspelling in a grade school class made it appear far worse than anyone had thought before.

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
7. Sure, let a right-wing witch hunt influence your vote.
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

You understand that's exactly why they do this, right?

I guess you missed the last 25 years. Well, more like 50.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
8. OBAMA'S State Department is "rightwing?"
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

Wake up! The audit and damning report was done by the State Department. Rightwingers have nothing to do with it.

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
10. This didn't start with the State Department
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:32 PM
May 2016

You seriously think the whole e-mail server thing *started* with the State Department?

Does Benghazi ring a bell?

My goodness, did you people just get here from another planet or something?

Response to TwilightZone (Reply #10)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
23. The Inspector General Report IS from the State Dept.
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:48 PM
May 2016

That RW SoS John Kerry asked for an IG and the RW President Obama appointed one. The IG investigation turned up possible crimes, so the RW FBI (run by a director appointed by RW President Obama) was called in to conduct further investigation. They are acting in concert with the RW DoJ, led by RW Attorney General Lynch, who also was appointed by RW President Obama. See? It's a VAST Rightwing conspiracy!

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
28. The ONLY connection is that without Benghazi, there might not have been all those
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

inquiries and FOIA requests that came up with very few Clinton emails. It might have gone unnoticed.

In fact, if HRC would not have been arrogant, after Benghazi, she would have started to organize her email and ALL the SD emails would have been there before she left - ready and waiting for FOIA requests. Had she done this, it is entirely likely that no one would ever have heard she had a basement server.

Remember that a few Clinton emails were included in what was found before she returned email. Like many other emails, the email was replaced with HILLARY CLINTON. I know that was not a red flag to me - and do not thing it was for anyone else. The funny thing is this would have been no risk - it would have been after the fact when she knew what was happening.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
35. It started with Hillary. If she hadn't arrogantly disregarded protocols, rules, and
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:46 PM
May 2016

security measures, there wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.

And, just as an FYI, there were a couple of threads on DU the other day that linked to articles which stated that John Kerry started the inquiry into Hillay's emails and the State Department
signed off on passing the info on to the FBI.

Richard Nixon once famously said, "I gave them a sword." Hillary has given "them" a sword in the form of her private server. If you think they won't use the gift she laid at there feet, then perhaps you should study your interstellar guide to make sure you are in the right solar system.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
22. Crickets. Several posters just lob bullshit bombs and then disappear when proven wrong ...
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

over and over and over again.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
49. ROTFLOL...love it, you nailed it.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

I have my favorite Brockian phrase of the group but all are quite apropos for the victimization of HRC. Well done. May need a second Brockhole bingo card card though for other phrases such as "I've evolved on that issue."

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
16. Exactly.
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

Although Clintons tenure as Sec of State was an unmitigated disaster, she likes to tout it to her low-information supporters as proof of 'experience'. Now every time she brings it up, Trump can point to her inability to follow the most basic of Dept policies and security safeguards, and remind voters of her pending indictment. Even if she does manage to beat Trump, there will be a Republican majority in the House that's sure to impeach her. Even for big supporters of her neoliberal trickle-down economics and aggressively nationalistic neoconservative foreign policies would have to seriously consider that the baggage she drags behind her just isn't worth any positives she brings to the table.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
24. My thought is
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:48 PM
May 2016

they think the baggage is a good distraction from the issues Bernie has raised which resonated
with the electorate. Even a shoulda-been-indicted, soon-to-be impeached HRC is a better bet
than Bernie or Trump. She'll still manage to find time between ducking subpoenas to further
dismantle the social safety net.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
21. We are VERY LUCKY he is doing that - as unpleasant for the Clintons as it has to be
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

Those attacks - which people will reject out of hand, might lead them not to listen to any negative things he says that are more fact based.

We need to win --- and that is true no matter how much any of us dislike HRC.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
46. How does blaming HRC for Bill's cheating attract women voters?
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:21 PM
May 2016

Especially those who have been cheated on by their husbands?

BootinUp

(47,167 posts)
25. So the beatings will continue then. Seems to me
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

A majority of Americans don't give a crap about this "scandal".

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
30. They'd rather risk everything than to ever vote for a Democratic "Socialist".
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:18 PM
May 2016

They cannot fathom their tax dollars EVER being used to improve the lot of those that they consider lazy, unworthy, and super predators.

This mindset was clearly evident back when their single biggest meme used against Bernie's Free College plan was that they didn't want to be forced to pay for Trumps kids to go to the Community College of their choice.


Forget the greater good to society as a whole that such a program would bring, how many lives would be brightened and given meaning and a greater chance for a productive future, just not gonna do it because, you know, Trumps kids.



 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
48. The FBI & the IG aren't Republicans.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

Why is this so hard to understand?
She is in big trouble. Huge trouble. She intentionally didn't ask permission and told people to NOT speak of it.
Sorry you can't understand that.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
36. She will carry 40+ states.
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

Biggest Democratic landslide since '64.

Definitely getting the Senate back. Maybe the House.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
47. She won't be indicted.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

FBI won't recommend it either.

Yes this is speculation. I am following the story and that is my prediction. Yes I have read about the State/OIG report.

If I am wrong I will admit I am wrong.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
50. I'm not so sure
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:24 PM
May 2016

She intentionally did this and the proof is in how she told people not to speak of this. She and her staff refused interviews. She is in big trouble.

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