2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Fans and Surrogates can downplay today's Report on Hillary's E-mail Abuse
But the fact remains is the damage is done. Trump will beat her with this all the way to November if she is the nominee. She is too damaged with too much political baggage that the general voting population will never trust her with POTUS.
Remember 2004? The Bush campaign used Kerry's strength as a Military veteran against him. Imagine if he had a scandal like Hillary's private server hanging around his neck.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Bob41213
(491 posts)Wait till he releases his...
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pinebox
(5,761 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Actor
(626 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Actor
(626 posts)how badly antiquated the system still is.
The story about Hillary is a footnote.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)He's Palin in a dress. That plays well with Fox Fans. Sane voters won't elect him for the same reasons they did not elect Palin Vice President.
1monster
(11,012 posts)We were wrong.
Never underestimate the ability of the dark side to manipulate the system and low information voters.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)And people bought it.
That being said, I do know Trump could possibly win. Remote chance but yeah.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)It said *nothing* about breaking the law. The report means nothing.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)That's not their job. That's the job the FBI is doing at the request of John Kerry (see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512032261 ).
Still the report by the IG is damning enough.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)State Dep't rules aren't "laws", I'm afraid, and previous heads did it as well. Not a big deal in the end. This report vindicates Clinton more than anything.
senz
(11,945 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Just like he misses every other point.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Previous secretaries did NOT do what Clinton did. At most, one, Powell, put SOME SD email on a private account. She put ALL her email on a private account on her own server.
What is clear is this was all done to avoid legitimate scrutiny by Congress or the media. It is clear that the intent of the SD rules is to keep records archived. The problem for HRC is that there is a pattern - this brings up the fact that the Rose Law firm records just went missing for two years after they were subpoenaed. It reaffirms the negative image that she is willing to be open and transparent. This brings up not following the rules and not telling the FULL truth as well.
Remember years ago, when some pundit spoke of how it would not have hurt Bill Clinton had he been the one to misspell "potato" - there was no preconceived view of him as dumb (much the opposite). It hurt Quayle because there had been that image for him and the misspelling in a grade school class made it appear far worse than anyone had thought before.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)You understand that's exactly why they do this, right?
I guess you missed the last 25 years. Well, more like 50.
senz
(11,945 posts)Wake up! The audit and damning report was done by the State Department. Rightwingers have nothing to do with it.
TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)You seriously think the whole e-mail server thing *started* with the State Department?
Does Benghazi ring a bell?
My goodness, did you people just get here from another planet or something?
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berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)From John Kerry.
senz
(11,945 posts)Check it out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512032261
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That RW SoS John Kerry asked for an IG and the RW President Obama appointed one. The IG investigation turned up possible crimes, so the RW FBI (run by a director appointed by RW President Obama) was called in to conduct further investigation. They are acting in concert with the RW DoJ, led by RW Attorney General Lynch, who also was appointed by RW President Obama. See? It's a VAST Rightwing conspiracy!
karynnj
(59,504 posts)inquiries and FOIA requests that came up with very few Clinton emails. It might have gone unnoticed.
In fact, if HRC would not have been arrogant, after Benghazi, she would have started to organize her email and ALL the SD emails would have been there before she left - ready and waiting for FOIA requests. Had she done this, it is entirely likely that no one would ever have heard she had a basement server.
Remember that a few Clinton emails were included in what was found before she returned email. Like many other emails, the email was replaced with HILLARY CLINTON. I know that was not a red flag to me - and do not thing it was for anyone else. The funny thing is this would have been no risk - it would have been after the fact when she knew what was happening.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'm from Earth. You? I'm not so sure where you come from. Perhaps Planet Head in the Sand?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512032261
1monster
(11,012 posts)security measures, there wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
And, just as an FYI, there were a couple of threads on DU the other day that linked to articles which stated that John Kerry started the inquiry into Hillay's emails and the State Department
signed off on passing the info on to the FBI.
Richard Nixon once famously said, "I gave them a sword." Hillary has given "them" a sword in the form of her private server. If you think they won't use the gift she laid at there feet, then perhaps you should study your interstellar guide to make sure you are in the right solar system.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It's amazing how ignorant some folks are.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)over and over and over again.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)I have my favorite Brockian phrase of the group but all are quite apropos for the victimization of HRC. Well done. May need a second Brockhole bingo card card though for other phrases such as "I've evolved on that issue."
840high
(17,196 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Although Clintons tenure as Sec of State was an unmitigated disaster, she likes to tout it to her low-information supporters as proof of 'experience'. Now every time she brings it up, Trump can point to her inability to follow the most basic of Dept policies and security safeguards, and remind voters of her pending indictment. Even if she does manage to beat Trump, there will be a Republican majority in the House that's sure to impeach her. Even for big supporters of her neoliberal trickle-down economics and aggressively nationalistic neoconservative foreign policies would have to seriously consider that the baggage she drags behind her just isn't worth any positives she brings to the table.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)they think the baggage is a good distraction from the issues Bernie has raised which resonated
with the electorate. Even a shoulda-been-indicted, soon-to-be impeached HRC is a better bet
than Bernie or Trump. She'll still manage to find time between ducking subpoenas to further
dismantle the social safety net.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)cheating.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Those attacks - which people will reject out of hand, might lead them not to listen to any negative things he says that are more fact based.
We need to win --- and that is true no matter how much any of us dislike HRC.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)Especially those who have been cheated on by their husbands?
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)BootinUp
(47,167 posts)A majority of Americans don't give a crap about this "scandal".
fancypants75
(54 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)They cannot fathom their tax dollars EVER being used to improve the lot of those that they consider lazy, unworthy, and super predators.
This mindset was clearly evident back when their single biggest meme used against Bernie's Free College plan was that they didn't want to be forced to pay for Trumps kids to go to the Community College of their choice.
Forget the greater good to society as a whole that such a program would bring, how many lives would be brightened and given meaning and a greater chance for a productive future, just not gonna do it because, you know, Trumps kids.
Demsrule86
(68,607 posts)give a shit about this...more GOP rightwing crap.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Why is this so hard to understand?
She is in big trouble. Huge trouble. She intentionally didn't ask permission and told people to NOT speak of it.
Sorry you can't understand that.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Biggest Democratic landslide since '64.
Definitely getting the Senate back. Maybe the House.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)FBI won't recommend it either.
Yes this is speculation. I am following the story and that is my prediction. Yes I have read about the State/OIG report.
If I am wrong I will admit I am wrong.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)She intentionally did this and the proof is in how she told people not to speak of this. She and her staff refused interviews. She is in big trouble.