2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumExplaining white men's aversion to the Democrats
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/scocca/2012/11/mitt_romney_white_vote_parsing_the_narrow_tribal_appeal_of_the_republican.htmlWhat exactly are white guys afraid of? I can understand why Blacks and Latinos hate the GOP: just look at True the Vote and the Minutemen, for example. I can understand why Evangelicals steer clear of the Democrats due to that party's message of church-state separation.
But what exactly do white guys fear? If it's an erosion of privilege, what privileges are those?
Also, this seems to be a uniquely American thing. Majority-white countries like Canada and Great Britain would easily elect Obama in a landslide, and not give Romney a chance in a perverted case of white affirmative action.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)"Republican campaigns have been using dog-whistle signals for so long that they seem to have forgotten how to make sounds in normal human hearing range."
SharonAnn
(13,778 posts)Seriously, just look at how few white men there are in positions of power.
Sarcasm, folks! Sarcasm!
brewens
(13,620 posts)Unless you were applying at a Chinese restaraunt or other minority owned business. Now it's like when you try and stop Christians from pushing their superstition on you, they're being persecuted, and they LOVE to be persecuted.
Iceberg Louie
(190 posts)Ever since the CON-servatives took the foam-mouthed religious right under their wing, one of the primary aspects they've adopted from their evangelical wing's playbook is the virtues of crying persecution. Look at the way Faux News keeps pushing the myth about the "liberal media" (or, to the more comical extent, the absurd notion that the M$M has "handled President Obama with kid gloves" . They cry "class warfare" whenever the idea of working towards Reagan-era levels of taxation on the ultra-rich is raised.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)The right to own inferior people,of other colors of course,as slaves...The one huge difference between uhmerikkka,that stands out to me,and "Majority-white countries like Canada and Great Britain",is that one has slavery in it's recent history...The others,not so much....
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)150 years is not "recent history," and there were slaves in GB then too, although it wasn't on a mass scales. There are a lot of other "privileges" that you seem not to be aware of.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)Matter of perspective,as well as opinion......."There are a lot of other "privileges" that you seem not to be aware of.".....I qualified what I said with this phrase:The one huge difference between uhmerikkka,that stands out to me...The one huge difference.....
Reading comprehension seems to be something you are not aware of.....
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)...I think there are many many other differences. Jim Crow for example.
Andy Stanton
(264 posts)They not only despise Obama because he's black but because they think Democrat policies favor blacks.
Unfortunately scapegoating non-whites is as American as apple pie.
Kingofalldems
(38,475 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)"Democrat" is a noun.
When you're describing, "policies," another noun, you use the adjective, "Democratic."
Please, let's refrain from right-wing, stupid speak here.
Andy Stanton
(264 posts)No insult to the Democratic party intended.
boingboinh
(290 posts)Most Democrat voters don't realize that what was considered "Right" 10 years ago is now the new "Left" -- The goalpost keeps shifting "right" each year which explains Obama's continining shift to the right on most issues, taking his base with him.
But funny enough he indeed could EASILY get elected by a landslide. We love Obama. The man knows how to speak! His governing, and the rest of the democrats though are very radical right wing for our country. So Romney and the republicans and their message would have them risk being jailed as enemey's of the states if they attempted to try here.
Unless money in politics is removed from US your country will continue to shift right and Democrats of today will hold the same positions as Romney and Bachman et al in 10 more years. And worse: the democratic base, even on DU, will be proud of it!
So anyway i see your point.
barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)Im a white male who lives in Oklahoma. The dynamic here is very much about "values" but it's also about peer pressure.
Most humans instinctively go with the crowd. So if the guys at work or in the bowling league or at church all vote GOP there is immense pressure to fit in and go with the flow. That's also a lot easier than being the voice of dissent.
It's a lot about issues but there's also an element of human nature. And that doesn't speak to indoctrination of children by their peer groups and churches. They start them young here.
boingboinh
(290 posts)Although one can't deny racism plays a part one need only look at past democrats to see that white males jsut hate this party. With Obama the gap is even larger which is clear indication racism plays a part too.
However, all the groups that you mentioned, including women have something they want or need from the democrats. For white men that message isn't very clear. What exactly are white men wanting/needed that democrats can offer. The problem seems that white men can come be born into different circumstances and so to appeal to the 50%+1 of men compared to say with women (which one can just bring up abortion) is a bit muddied.
And like it or not our species are selfish animals. We are constantly looking for ways to satisfy our needs. Once the basic ones are satisified we begin to reach for bigger ones. When this happens those who were once democrats will become republicans (e.g. Big Lottery winners who once voted democrat their entire life will unequivocally vote republican). Fear is a very powerufl emotion and for those (mostly white men) who fear losing what they got because Faux tells them so is more than enough to vote republican.
Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)A sense of justified aggrievance and lip service about the good old days?
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)I never really thought about it.
My parents were republican, so I was republican.
National defense was a big reason,
and I never perceived republicans as racists,
in fact, when I heard charges of racism,
I saw more in the democratic party than republican.
But Republicans have become far too much about money,
about maintaining an unstable status quo,
too much about maintaining inequitable distributions of power and wealth.
They are strongly associate with a dysfunctional system now,
where no one can earn enough,
and really, what is the point of certain economic policies
if they create negative income growth?
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)"taking the country back." That group doesn't want to look forward because it doesn't want to share its power. Those who are Democrats, by and large, haven't as a group held power in any societal or institutional sense.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)union, or well-educated--although sometimes these guys still side with the GOP. It's hard to break the grip of identity politics. Bill Clinton was able to reach a lot of these guys because while he was scary smart and well-educated, he didn't come off as elite, condescending, or too bleeding-heart, thanks to his record as Governor, his lower-class upbringing, and his "Bubba-ism".
Lex
(34,108 posts)years ago by the GOP and didn't, and haven't, sufficiently fought back.
The mouth-breathers in the GOP think valuing education, the environment, and people who are different, is a wimpy thing. I think we could turn that back if we worked at it in a concerted way.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)oppressors!
whistler162
(11,155 posts)broad brush burbling by half-baked "pundits".
White male here and I work/worked for white males who support President Obama.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)But overwhelmingly those who support he GOP are white, and many of them white men.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It sort of falls out of the definition of terms like "minority" and "majority". President Obama will receive more votes from white voters than any other artificial classification of people.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I am a white man and most of the white men I know are Democrats.
This is just tiresome bullshit from simpleminded assholes who need a boogeyman.
Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)That is an issue worth discussing. Also, it's worth noting that white men outside of America (for example, in Canada and in Europe) seem to have no problem in favouring Obama in overwhelming numbers.
It's not solely a race thing. Culture plays a huge issue as well. I'm guessing that white men outside of America don't suffer as much status anxiety from the thought of a black man becoming the most powerful person in their country yet again.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)This is a white man
This is a white man
This is a black man
This is a black woman
This is a white man
This is a white woman
This is an Indian-American man
This is a white man
This is a black man
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...who only see stereotypes.
More votes for Barack Obama will be cast by white men than black men.
But carry on with your divisive bullshit.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)What you say is true - More votes for Barack Obama will be cast by white men than black men.
But the other supposition - that the average white man is more likely republican is also true. Sorry if that somehow rubs you the wrong way. Don't understand why you are so sensitive about it, but not my problem either....
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)barnabas63
(1,214 posts)If there are 100 white men, and you randomly pick ONE - chances are greater than not he is a republican. That's what I mean by "average."
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"As has been the case since 2008, a plurality of whites (38%) identify as independents. Among the remainder, more call themselves Republicans (32%) than Democrats (26%)."
It sucks when reality doesn't conform to your uninformed prejudice.
The greatest likelihood is that you"ll pick someone who doesn't identify with either party.
Now, if you line up 100 elected Democrats and pick one at random, what are you most likely to pick?
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)..no sense in discussing anything with you. You assume that I'm somehow insulting YOU personally. MOST people vote either democrat OR republican. Period. Besides, my premise still holds up now that you are dragging this other group (independents) into the discussion. I'm talking voters. 32% of white people do not vote for "independents."
Bye now! Sorry your feelings are so hurt.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Most of them vote against themselves but they have the fear that their money and comfort zone is going to be taken away from them. Like the contractor who does odd jobs with no benefits and complains about the takers of society. He feels he is working hard for a living yet there are those who get handouts. Issues like global warming, etc. don't fit into their way of life.
Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)We're not accusing ALL white men of being tribalist Republicans, and we do indeed recognize that a great number of white men in America have fought on the side of justice and are continuing to do so.
But it's still a question worth asking: Why do white men continue to be the one racial-gender block that continues to strongly support Republicans? What's in it for them, or to put it more accurately, what do they perceive to be in it for them?
If we can answer that question, maybe the Democrats can start winning them over.
barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)Poor white males protecting the Rich White males--it is more like the serf protecting his King
NOT all white males. And FYI All the Dem white men I know ROCK and work their butts off for the better of all Americans not just a few!!