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Bob41213

(491 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:03 PM May 2016

The missing Pagliano emails and the IG report today...

The report mentioned some emails that haven't been released. In fact those emails are missing according to http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/05/hillary-clinton-texts-bryan-pagliano-emails-222973 which says

"State had advised that its searches for Clinton texts, BlackBerry instant messages and emails belonging to Pagliano all came up empty for a period of May 2009 through February 2013."

Now in the IG report today we see....

On January 9, 2011, the non-Departmental advisor to President Clinton who provided
technical support to the Clinton email system notified the Secretary’s Deputy Chief of
Staff for Operations that he had to shut down the server because he believed “someone
was trying to hack us and while they did not get in i didnt [sic] want to let them have the
chance to.” Later that day, the advisor again wrote to the Deputy Chief of Staff for
Operations, “We were attacked again so I shut [the server] down for a few min.” On
January 10, the Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations emailed the Chief of Staff and the
Deputy Chief of Staff for Planning and instructed them not to email the Secretary
“anything sensitive” and stated that she could “explain more in person.”159

That sounds like one of the Brian Pagliano emails and apparently State has it. It begs the question of why the State Dept claims it has no emails from him.

Going back to this politico article, it mentions why this may be... Department officials told the Senate Judiciary Committee that one reason the IT staffer's emails might be unavailable was that the FBI had taken his computer in the course of its investigation.

Immunity, missing emails, unreported hacking attempt.

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The missing Pagliano emails and the IG report today... (Original Post) Bob41213 May 2016 OP
I would think that any immunity agreement would require Brian NWCorona May 2016 #1
emails paulthompson May 2016 #2
a question Paul because you are so knowledgeable on this subject: panader0 May 2016 #6
Yes paulthompson May 2016 #11
So Datto and Platte River could read her emails? panader0 May 2016 #12
Yes. And none of them had ANY type of security clearance. IdaBriggs May 2016 #13
It is because of them that some of the emails were even preserved. grasswire May 2016 #15
In theory, yes paulthompson May 2016 #19
Wow. The contents of those "above top secret" emails could have gone anywhere panader0 May 2016 #23
From drip, drip, drip to floriduck May 2016 #3
You're not kidding. Barack_America May 2016 #16
You left out the most important part of the report that provides context underthematrix May 2016 #4
Pagliano was working for state and for the Foundation grasswire May 2016 #8
Well he didn't lie because that would mean he told them something other than the truth underthematrix May 2016 #17
Disagree paulthompson May 2016 #21
It gets to the "one foot in one foot out" problem that plagued Clinton's tenure, unfortunately Recursion May 2016 #10
To me the most important thing that came out today was Yupster May 2016 #18
How can someone working under HRC report a hack?? truedelphi May 2016 #5
but wouldn't the IT specialist know that shutting the server.. grasswire May 2016 #7
It would definitely stop those hackers Bob41213 May 2016 #14
So was Abedin. The problem is hdr22's trust in these people at that level oioioi May 2016 #20
I think the problem was the person at the top. Bob41213 May 2016 #22
To be fair... oioioi May 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #29
He was a political science major. HooptieWagon May 2016 #27
K & R AzDar May 2016 #9
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #25
That whole thing starts with a bad assumption... scscholar May 2016 #26
Hillary is an idiot for using a private server. Nt Logical May 2016 #28

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
1. I would think that any immunity agreement would require Brian
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:09 PM
May 2016

To cough up his pst file. It should be noted that judge Sullivan, exasperated by the state departments inability to produce Hillary's emails. Told them to contact the FBI to see if they would provide them. The FBI promptly said no. That wasn't the OIG so you might have something there.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
2. emails
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

The State Department didn't say they don't have any of Pagliano's emails. That's because when you send an email, both the sender and the receiver usually keep copies. So there are some from other people's inboxes, and the department has said they have some of those. A few of them have already been publicly released already. However, presumably those are just some emails here and there and not the full collection.

When Pagliano finished his full time work at the State Department in 2013, he was supposed to hand over a .pst file that contained all his work emails. That hasn't been found. Either he didn't turn it over then, or it got lost since. So the FBI taking his computer away in 2015 should have nothing to do with that. If the State Department still had his computer that would give them another way to get at all his emails, but they should have had them already anyway.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
6. a question Paul because you are so knowledgeable on this subject:
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:43 PM
May 2016

Weren't there two companies that kept HRC's emails stored? I'm woefully dumb about
internet technicalities, but the word "cloud" comes to mind. Wouldn't they be required
to testify as well? Weren't State emails available to all of the employees at those businesses?
Thanks

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
11. Yes
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

You're thinking of Datto and Platte River Networks. But that's not relevant to this problem because they didn't get involved until after Clinton left the State Department. So for instance they have no apparent connection with Bryan Pagliano, who was managing the server before handing it over to them. So they wouldn't have Pagliano's emails, except for those he happened to send Clinton.

However, Clinton (foolishly) kept all her emails on her server long after leaving the State Department, so that's why it's almost certain that the FBI has recovered all her deleted emails. For instance, Datto kept copies of her server data in the cloud, and apparently nobody knew that, not even Platte River Networks, until after the FBI took the server away.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
13. Yes. And none of them had ANY type of security clearance.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

I flipped out about this a few weeks ago.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
15. It is because of them that some of the emails were even preserved.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:37 PM
May 2016

Because the Clinton instructions were to delete them periodically, and the employees of the server began to worry that a coverup was under way. So they saved the data.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
19. In theory, yes
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

We know that all the employees of Platte River were told it was Hillary's server, and to keep that fact quiet. We also know they kept the original server in their office (which was an apartment in an apartment building with no alarm system!), while copying the data onto a new server which was managed at a "server farm" in New Jersey. We also know that the employees at Platte River and Datto had no security clearances, and that's probably true for whoever was working in New Jersey. And furthermore, it turns out the server contained some emails with "above top secret" information.

Any employee at any of the three places could have thought, "Hmmm, I wonder what's on Clinton's server. I think I'll poke around." But if that happened, we'll probably never know.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
23. Wow. The contents of those "above top secret" emails could have gone anywhere
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016

and probably already have. What gross incompetence.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
4. You left out the most important part of the report that provides context
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

At the time, the unnamed adviser was working as tech security adviser to HRC, he was also employed full time by the State Dept in the same area. The report goes on to note that the state's tech section couldn't help with HRC's problem's because they don't work on non-state dept equipment, e.g privately owned servers. Finally, the State tech section didn't know he was working for HRC. The adviser was required to report all outside POTENTIAL employment to resolve any conflicts of interest and of course you can't hold a full job and work the same hours at a second job. This is fraud. So yeah the adviser has a problem.

it appears there's a systemic problem in STATE and probably other agencies. Staff are afraid to tell their leadership team that they're out of compliance and what they need to comply with federal records act.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
8. Pagliano was working for state and for the Foundation
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

He lied to State, never telling them about his other job.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
17. Well he didn't lie because that would mean he told them something other than the truth
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

He simply did not tell State

Nothing will come of the HRC email drama because of the BUSH email scandal which is truly egregious. take a read http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/web-video/missing-white-house-emails

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
21. Disagree
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

The difference is that all the emails in the Bush scandal were deleted, so investigators couldn't find the evidence to prosecute. Whereas most or all of Clinton's emails were deleted and then recovered by the FBI (so says the Los Angeles Times and others). So it's a very different situation.

I think those deleted emails will end up containing some very interesting things. In fact, one previously unknown email mentioned in today's IG report was very damnng for Clinton:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141465211



Yupster

(14,308 posts)
18. To me the most important thing that came out today was
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

that basically nothing Hillary said at the beginning of this whole thing is still standing.

Her system was approved by lawyers at the state department. Do we now just say oops to that?

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
5. How can someone working under HRC report a hack??
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

After all, they know the IT professionals would then descend on her computer(s) and would see things she didn't want to have seen.

All those lovely State Department funds going from State to Laureate and then into Bill's pocket. Years worth of it.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
7. but wouldn't the IT specialist know that shutting the server..
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:53 PM
May 2016

...down for a few minutes or pulling the plug on it would not stop hackers?

Bob41213

(491 posts)
14. It would definitely stop those hackers
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

for a few minutes. This guy was in so far over his head it wasn't funny.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
22. I think the problem was the person at the top.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

You think she would have accepted anything from a computer guy that interfered with her doing what she wanted? You think Abedin is any different than Hillary? She goes around enforcing Hillary's law.

oioioi

(1,127 posts)
24. To be fair...
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:33 PM
May 2016

- hdr22 explicitly suggested to Abedin that she carry a separate device to separate personal from State.

- That suggestion was also made to Abedin by State IT - she rejected it.

- hdr22 raised concerns to Abedin about security. Abedin was well aware and did nothing

You may well be right about the enforcer role, but on the basis of what was presented today, the question seems to be how could hdr22 place political and technical trust in people who are so obviously unqualified?

Response to Bob41213 (Reply #22)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
27. He was a political science major.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:50 PM
May 2016

His IT training appears to have been zilch...he was an amateur. Clinton didn't assign him the job of care taking her server b/c of experience...it was b/c she needed a loyal minion and she couldn't use Dept IT people or they'd find out about the server.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
26. That whole thing starts with a bad assumption...
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

that he sent her any email which has never even been close to have been proven.

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