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Game on! (Original Post) Uncle Joe May 2016 OP
knr Clinton can just sit on the sidelines. nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #1
She can watch the sad sideshow like the rest of us. barrow-wight May 2016 #2
That's not how national politics work. You'll see what I mean in due course. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #3
I'm so glad I have you to educate me. barrow-wight May 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #6
Ah. Well, don't just stand there. barrow-wight May 2016 #19
Does David pay for night school? JonLeibowitz May 2016 #7
LOL barrow-wight May 2016 #10
.... JonLeibowitz May 2016 #11
Ka-Ching! barrow-wight May 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author DVRacer May 2016 #22
I won't be educating you. Events will do that. I'm just pointing this out to you. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author barrow-wight May 2016 #12
I don't think insight is in high demand. barrow-wight May 2016 #13
Should try and get your money back FreakinDJ May 2016 #55
Why? barrow-wight May 2016 #58
You have been here for almost ten whole days. Uncle Joe May 2016 #5
Thank you! barrow-wight May 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #9
Skyrim is for the Nords! Uncle Joe May 2016 #16
Yep! barrow-wight May 2016 #21
We can watch the investigations and also watch her campaign stoop to the level of Trump slipslidingaway May 2016 #14
I'm quite proud of how Hillary's taken on Trump in her ads so far. barrow-wight May 2016 #18
Not sure reducing oneself to the level of one's opponent would make me proud ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #33
Wow. barrow-wight May 2016 #35
Mimicking him is not a winning strategy IMHO, we are getting into the gutter while people suffer... slipslidingaway May 2016 #44
Exactly how do you see her ads as mimicking him? barrow-wight May 2016 #53
You assume Trump will Happenstance24 May 2016 #24
I have no doubt that Sanders would win the debate. nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #38
What's the over/under on Happenstance24 May 2016 #20
Those writings are pretty disturbing. barrow-wight May 2016 #23
I don't see that happening. Uncle Joe May 2016 #26
LMAO Happenstance24 May 2016 #29
You're incorrect, Uncle Joe May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #47
He's not going to do that Station to Station May 2016 #28
It will start out that way but then Happenstance24 May 2016 #31
Perhaps. It's moot anyway, because Station to Station May 2016 #40
Sanders is the one who set up the debate. fancypants75 May 2016 #42
So what? The last scheduled debate was sanctioned and apparently Hillary has backed out of it. Uncle Joe May 2016 #43
That was a stupid misstep Station to Station May 2016 #45
Why what are they going to do, prevent him from having future debates with Hillary? Uncle Joe May 2016 #46
Bernie is issue oriented and wonky. He doesn't "bask" in any limelight. senz May 2016 #41
No, Trump wants Sanders to win. It's going to be a Hillary-bashing-fest, which should anotherproletariat May 2016 #30
See above. Happenstance24 May 2016 #32
Ah. Second commenter tonight to bring that up. Latest Hill-camp attack? senz May 2016 #48
Please let this happen Corporate666 May 2016 #25
I see it the other way around. n/t Uncle Joe May 2016 #27
I love it! Absolutely love it. senz May 2016 #34
As the true war is being fought for Independents between the major parties, I believe Uncle Joe May 2016 #39
This does a lot of good for Bernie on so many levels. Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #51
Great analysis, Ichingcarpenter. Thanks for this. senz May 2016 #52
Hell yeah! Go Bernie! Joob May 2016 #37
I read Trump had declined before. AtomicKitten May 2016 #49
As I posted up thread, this war is for the Independents and I believe such a debate Uncle Joe May 2016 #50
There will be no debate MFM008 May 2016 #54
Sanders talks about the issues harming America not Hillary's problems Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #57
Is the game RogueTrooper May 2016 #56
I'm used to turning off the TV whenever Trump is on. mmonk May 2016 #59

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
2. She can watch the sad sideshow like the rest of us.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:17 AM
May 2016

I can't imagine anyone with sense would want to participate in it.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
4. I'm so glad I have you to educate me.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:20 AM
May 2016

I don't know where I'd be without you. $200,000 politics education be damned.

Response to barrow-wight (Reply #4)

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
19. Ah. Well, don't just stand there.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:30 AM
May 2016

Join the fun! Call me a brock troll. That should be a new one, right?

Ka-Ching!

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
10. LOL
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:23 AM
May 2016

The 9,325,235,354,622,443,343 times that bizarre accusation has been thrown around on here just in the short time I've been here and it just never stops being funny.

Ka-Ching!

Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #7)

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
8. I won't be educating you. Events will do that. I'm just pointing this out to you.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:22 AM
May 2016

$200K? That's hefty. What insights do you have for this election cycle? I'd love to hear some of your thoughts.

Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #8)

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
13. I don't think insight is in high demand.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:27 AM
May 2016

Top tier schools aren't cheap and I was adjusting for inflation. That's what it would cost today. I've long since moved on from that world but I'm no amateur at knowing that there's no win in Hillary debating Bernie and Bernie debating Trump isn't going to get him the nomination. If it were, Trump wouldn't have asked for charity. And I'd be surprised if he actually bothered. He'd be wasting as much of his time as Hillary would be wasting hers.

Response to barrow-wight (Reply #2)

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
14. We can watch the investigations and also watch her campaign stoop to the level of Trump
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:28 AM
May 2016

which her campaign ads and tone in speeches are doing.

Bernie will crush Trump on the issues with complete sentences and Clinton will be watching from the sidelines while be questioned by the FBI.



barrow-wight

(744 posts)
18. I'm quite proud of how Hillary's taken on Trump in her ads so far.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:30 AM
May 2016

Are you upset that she's not bothering to make anymore ads about Bernie?

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
33. Not sure reducing oneself to the level of one's opponent would make me proud ...
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:45 AM
May 2016

I would rather have a candidate that is consistent with their values and who respects all people and who will not get down into the mud.

It is akin to using an excuse that 'others did it as well' as is currently being done with the email investigations.

We are no longer in grade school.







barrow-wight

(744 posts)
35. Wow.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:46 AM
May 2016

If you think talking about his sexism, bad behavior, lack of unity in his own party, and absolutely callousness for the 2008 recession is reducing herself to her opponent then I'm not sure what you think Bernie should be focussing on.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
44. Mimicking him is not a winning strategy IMHO, we are getting into the gutter while people suffer...
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:57 AM
May 2016

that is not productive, but if you think it is then you can applaud that strategy.

I would prefer a more upbeat and positive focus on what we need to achieve without sinking to Trump's level.








Happenstance24

(193 posts)
24. You assume Trump will
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:34 AM
May 2016

let the debate hinge on issues. Five seconds in he'll be bringing up the "Russian honeymoon" or Burlington College. This "debate", should it happen, is gonna be a real eye opener for the Bernie stans.

Happenstance24

(193 posts)
20. What's the over/under on
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:31 AM
May 2016

Trump bringing up Bernie's rape fantasies? 10 minutes? You know he will. How long until the red baiting starts? 5 minutes? I hope Bernie is prepared for an actual vetting in front of the world.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
23. Those writings are pretty disturbing.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:32 AM
May 2016

I hope they aren't indicative of how he'll be running the White House.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
26. I don't see that happening.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:37 AM
May 2016






Regarding vetting, I don't believe the FBI and DOJ has finished "vetting" Hillary yet.

Happenstance24

(193 posts)
29. LMAO
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:40 AM
May 2016

Yeah, that will thwart him. Are you guys serious? He'll throw everything at Bernie. Hillary too for that matter it's just everyone has heard the same allegations for 30 years that it don't matter anymore. Same can't be said for Bernie. He's had the luxury of keeping his skeletons closeted. Not after this, assuming it actually happens.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
36. You're incorrect,
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:46 AM
May 2016

Hillary is still being vetted by the FBI and there is much discovery in the pipeline.

Bernie can more than hold his own against Trump.

Response to Happenstance24 (Reply #29)

28. He's not going to do that
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:39 AM
May 2016

He's going to vaguely agree / sympathise with Sanders on a lot of things to try to snare some of his more credulous voters or at least turn them away from moving to Clinton. The question is whether Sanders calls him out for such overtures or just basks in the limelight.

Happenstance24

(193 posts)
31. It will start out that way but then
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:42 AM
May 2016

Bernie will jab him about something and Mr Thin Skin will go nuclear on Bernie's ass. The fact that most people don't know Bernie's past (and the media has avoided it) will be the death blow IMO.

40. Perhaps. It's moot anyway, because
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:51 AM
May 2016

it would be an unsanctioned debate, which is prohibited by the DNC during primary season - Sanders would have to formerly concede defeat and drop out first.

He will know this, so the only reason he'd actually follow through with the debate would be to fan the flames of anger a subsequent (and quite justified) disqualification would ignite amongst a portion of his support base.

 

fancypants75

(54 posts)
42. Sanders is the one who set up the debate.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:54 AM
May 2016

He gave Kimmel questions to ask Trump, which he read verbatim and Trump agreed.

?t=11m40s
(debate stuff starts at 11m40s)
45. That was a stupid misstep
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:59 AM
May 2016

by Clinton. Doesn't mean Sanders can run along and debate Trump in an unsanctioned event.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
30. No, Trump wants Sanders to win. It's going to be a Hillary-bashing-fest, which should
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:41 AM
May 2016

make them both look weak and misogynistic. And like neither one has a campaign with any substance.

Which, of course is the case.

Happenstance24

(193 posts)
32. See above.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:45 AM
May 2016

It might start that way but I can't see Bernie going a whole debate without jabbing Trump about something, and once that happens.....Game On.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
48. Ah. Second commenter tonight to bring that up. Latest Hill-camp attack?
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:03 AM
May 2016

Did you all get your marching orders to go after Bernie's 44-year-old critique of sexual attitudes as some kind of "rape fantasy?" Grasping at straws are ya?

Hill must be getting desperate. Guess audit reports and investigations can do that.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
25. Please let this happen
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:36 AM
May 2016

Hillary has treated Bernie with kid gloves.

Trump won't.

I think it would illustrate how weak a candidate Bernie is. All of the things Hillary has been too polite and too magnanimous to say or challenge him on will come out.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
34. I love it! Absolutely love it.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:45 AM
May 2016

I bet there will be a huge viewership for it. Trump will probably try to pull some fasties, but Bernie's knowledge and sincerity should bring it back to reality, and it should be lively.

I just hope Trump isn't in the bag for Hill. I've never been quite sure of where he's coming from.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
39. As the true war is being fought for Independents between the major parties, I believe
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:49 AM
May 2016

such a debate would have exceptionally high ratings.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
51. This does a lot of good for Bernie on so many levels.
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:12 AM
May 2016

On the most basic level, it gets him a yuuuuuge audience that will probably gain more media coverage than Bernie's been able to get this entire primary season.

The GOP debates broke records with their ratings because everyone wanted to see what the hell donald trump was going to do. People will tune into this debate in what i'm sure will once again be record-breaking numbers. It's trump and "crazy bernie"--who's gonna be able to resist that?


It sets up the frame of a sanders v trump general election in people's minds. i have every faith that Bernie is gonna knock this debate out of the park and show everyone how able he is to take on trump and come out way on top--and that is a really big deal when you consider all the other GOP opponents trump railroaded throughout the primaries. trump has taken down everyone, so when Bernie comes out of that debate looking all the more reasoned and sane--and PRESIDENTIAL--i wonder how many people will start reconsidering hrc, who can only debate in the same canned style that trump is notoriously good at destroying?

And that's another big win for Bernie: looking presidential. because here we have hrc who promised a debate and then ran away from it when it became clear that she does not have this nomination in the bag like she wants everyone to believe. as hrc herself said, this is the TOUGHEST JOB IN THE WORLD, and anyone seeking the office of the president should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere. she isn't. Bernie is.

And Bernie is willing to take on fcking Donald trump. if hrc can't even face a relatively civil debate with Bernie about real issues, how will anyone be able to imagine her coping with going up against trump in the GE?

IF HILLARY HAD AGREED TO DEBATE SANDERS
THIS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.

Trump? Even if he loses the debate he wins something.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
50. As I posted up thread, this war is for the Independents and I believe such a debate
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:09 AM
May 2016

would have epic ratings.

Peace to you, AtomicKitten.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
54. There will be no debate
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:18 AM
May 2016

Both will use this forum to bash HRC.
If I want to watch a white male double team ill put in a movie.
Amazing Sanders cant see through this one.
These two guys are addicted to attention.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
57. Sanders talks about the issues harming America not Hillary's problems
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:54 AM
May 2016

You haven't been paying attention or you chose to ignore his stance this election season.


Sanders will just say. once again. 'I don't want to hear about her damn emails''..... and emphasis on 'damn.'.
Remember that in a debate between Hillary? Even she appreciated it.


Sanders:
“I’ve been asked 5 million times about the emails, and I haven’t said anything,” Sanders said in a brief interview before a rally here.

“I’ve been asked about the Clinton Foundation, didn’t say anything.

Bill Clinton’s personal life? Never said a word. (sacbee.com)

Jeff Weaver on CNN: Bernie is not going to make a point about the State Dept IG's report.

He said that it's part of a process and they're going to allow that process to continue. The interviewer pressed him on it, saying the investigation is over, why not comment on it now, and Jeff replied that people can draw their own conclusions.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
59. I'm used to turning off the TV whenever Trump is on.
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:38 AM
May 2016

Not sure I can take him for a whole debate time.

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