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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:59 AM May 2016

"What I did was allowed by the State Department. It was fully above board."

Hillary Clinton, 7 September, 2015

Far from it. The OIG report sharply refutes that lie of Hillary's and there is no way to spin her statement as anything but a bald faced lie. Certainly not the only lie she told about her email imbroglio.

The report is a portrait of Clinton that paints her as imperious, dishonest, secretive, disloyal and someone with seriously flawed judgment.

In March of this year, the Washington Post, published a history of the email tale:

<snip>

One year earlier, during her own presidential campaign, Clinton had said that if elected, “we will adopt a presumption of openness and Freedom of Information Act requests and urge agencies to release information quickly.”

But in those first few days, Clinton’s senior advisers were already taking steps that would help her circumvent those high-flown words, according to a chain of internal State Department emails released to Judicial Watch, a conservative nonprofit organization suing the government over Clinton’s emails.

<snip>
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html

Ironic, no? Why should anyone believe her campaign promises this year?

She was warned in no uncertain terms. The following can also be found at the link posted above:

<snip>

“Our review reaffirms our belief that the vulnerabilities and risks associated with the use of Blackberries in the Mahogany Row [redacted] considerably outweigh the convenience their use can add,” the memo said.

He emphasized: “Any unclassified Blackberry is highly vulnerable in any setting to remotely and covertly monitoring conversations, retrieving e-mails, and exploiting calendars.”

Nine days later, Clinton told Boswell that she had read his memo and “gets it,” according to an email sent by a senior diplomatic security official. “Her attention was drawn to the sentence that indicates (Diplomatic Security) have intelligence concerning this vulnerability during her recent trip to Asia,” the email said.

But Clinton kept using her private BlackBerry — and the basement server.

<snip>


It's damning, and clear, that Clinton had no intention of turning her emails over to archivists. She didn't while she was in office, and she didn't after she left office until forced to.

<snip>

In December 2012, near the end of Clinton’s tenure, a nonprofit group called Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW, filed a FOIA request seeking records about her email. CREW received a response in May 2013: “no records responsive to your request were located.”

Other requests for Clinton records met the same fate — until the State Department received a demand from the newly formed House Select Committee on Benghazi in July 2014. The committee wanted Clinton’s email, among other things, to see what she and others knew about the deadly attack in Libya and the response by the U.S. government.

<snip>
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html

A few more bullet points:

She has not turned over the entirety of her work mail according to the OIG report. Months are missing from early 2009.

Staff who raised concerns about her email setup were told to shut the fuck up.

She lied repeatedly about attempted hacks.

The comparison to Powell is weak.

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11771850/hillary-clinton-emails-inspector-general-report

Trust and Hillary Clinton are two words that don't co-exist.

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"What I did was allowed by the State Department. It was fully above board." (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
Nice recap ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #1
It's to be expected. They're invested in her and this is painful to them. cali May 2016 #3
She's going to make a deal to avoid prison but she's finished newrevolution May 2016 #2
Odds are very strong that she will be our nominee. cali May 2016 #4
She won't be there's a lot going on behind the scenes newrevolution May 2016 #5
If so america will lose and trump will win SwampG8r May 2016 #24
That's not unlikely. cali May 2016 #25
Im in florida SwampG8r May 2016 #28
I believe you. cali May 2016 #30
OOPsies.... don't bring up the 300,000 registered Democrats that voted for Bush*... Raster May 2016 #63
But was any of it "i-l-l-e-g-a-l"? See, this is the game the Clintons have played for 40 years. reformist2 May 2016 #6
The FBI is about to answer that with a YES. nt IdaBriggs May 2016 #7
That is highly unlikely. cali May 2016 #9
I know the rules are different for the rich and powerful. IdaBriggs May 2016 #14
There's always a peon to be sacrificed in her stead. That's what I predict. GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #29
I don't see Comey allowing that to happen Lurks Often May 2016 #38
Good question. HooptieWagon May 2016 #56
Yes. That's what it boils down to. cali May 2016 #8
I made that argument once loyalsister May 2016 #61
Good summary, thanks cali. Scuba May 2016 #10
Thanks, Scuba. It could have been far longer, but I suspect few people read cali May 2016 #11
If I understand the Org chart correctly quaker bill May 2016 #12
That is not factual. The report makes that quite clear, no matter how you interpret cali May 2016 #13
What you are saying is quaker bill May 2016 #15
No. The report is saying that there are rules that even the Secretary is cali May 2016 #16
Yes. The rules are in place to ensure compliance with laws. HooptieWagon May 2016 #57
Nope. jeff47 May 2016 #55
"seriously flawed judgment" and not just about the mundane… "damn emails" Agony May 2016 #17
Transparency kick cali May 2016 #18
Conflating Blackberries and private server. Her comments were about her Blackberry. Even BO still Jitter65 May 2016 #19
Wow. Talk about denial and twisting the facts. Good job, Hill fan! cali May 2016 #20
Such willful ignorance Lars39 May 2016 #21
Bahahahahahahaha! Where did the emails TO her blackberry route through? Press Virginia May 2016 #39
you need to reread her statement about haccking. her official statement ent says Exilednight May 2016 #54
It is a big deal for those of us who pay attention. But that's not most voters. snowy owl May 2016 #22
Clinton said, "I fully complied with every rule I was governed by." jmg257 May 2016 #23
I still find that astonishing cali May 2016 #26
"I did not have relations with that server." Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #51
Her pants are on fire and her nose Press Virginia May 2016 #27
Nice summary. Like you I think Hillary Clinton will pay no price PufPuf23 May 2016 #31
That's my rough guess. And beating Trump should not look like such cali May 2016 #33
Worst case scenario: she's not punished, becomes the candidate... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #50
I agree and alas my biggest problem with Hillary Clinton is her character. PufPuf23 May 2016 #52
lol... she went 46.3 mph in a 45mph zone and the "far left" is losing their shit uponit7771 May 2016 #32
That is not what the OIG report concludes. Not even close. cali May 2016 #35
You should be outraged! There I took care of that for the Bern Squad. nt BootinUp May 2016 #36
Um, no. As hilly fans, you should recognize that this is damaging for her cali May 2016 #37
I never said it wasn't damaging. But I believe people will or have BootinUp May 2016 #40
The IG report laid bare several Clinton lies. morningfog May 2016 #34
The battle cry of political opponents is all that is. nt BootinUp May 2016 #41
Are you another one refusing to read the report? Or are you still in denial? morningfog May 2016 #43
I've seen plenty of it, voters have or will agree. They will BootinUp May 2016 #44
That is fantasy. cali May 2016 #46
It uncovered more lies. It found evidence that Hillary and her inner crew intentionally avoided morningfog May 2016 #47
And they will also say there have been plenty of investigations. nt BootinUp May 2016 #48
You can't polish this turd. Sadly, there is more to come. morningfog May 2016 #49
“Her attention was drawn to the ...vulnerability during her ... trip to Asia" lagomorph777 May 2016 #42
LOL. nt BootinUp May 2016 #45
She's like a three year old, thinking she's invisible because she's behind a ladder back chair. Lars39 May 2016 #62
She's a good lawyer, she knows how to skirt the fine edge of the law. hobbit709 May 2016 #53
Huh? Well yeah, except SHE WAS the State Department. KPN May 2016 #58
Sorry. That is not how it works. Nor should it be. cali May 2016 #59
Correct, she is a law unto herself. yodermon May 2016 #60
Like her banker pals, Hillary is too big to fail or jail. nt JEB May 2016 #64

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
1. Nice recap
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:06 AM
May 2016

And now cue some hillarians who will claim that this 83 page report says the opposite of what it really says. In some ways, her positions and PR spin are reminiscent of Josef Stalin.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
28. Im in florida
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:31 AM
May 2016

She wont win it
She is considered a step down from satan here and will lose a ge here by massive numbers
Hell300000 registered dems here voted for bush over gore

Raster

(20,998 posts)
63. OOPsies.... don't bring up the 300,000 registered Democrats that voted for Bush*...
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016

...over Gore. That does NOT support the patently false narrative that it was all Nader's fault.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
6. But was any of it "i-l-l-e-g-a-l"? See, this is the game the Clintons have played for 40 years.
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:19 AM
May 2016

While the press focuses in on whether or not the misdeeds of the Clintons will lead to prosecution, they totally miss the main story - that they are, in fact, unethical creeps.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
14. I know the rules are different for the rich and powerful.
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:40 AM
May 2016

But I think the FBI is going to explain "illegal" and "indictment" to her. My gut is a behind the scenes plea deal, with some face saving health issues as a public excuse.

The only question is whether it is before or after she destroys the Party.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
38. I don't see Comey allowing that to happen
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:53 AM
May 2016

Everything I've heard and read indicates that Comey would not allow the FBI to be party to a cover up or deal that would allow HRC to leave the Presidential race without facing charges. Doing so would damage both the FBI's reputation and Comey's reputation for being apolitical as Director of the FBI.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
56. Good question.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

What does Obama and DoJ have to gain by squashing an indictment? I'm of the belief that Obama is rather tired of Clinton's act, and would just as soon cast her adrift. Maybe some of his Wall St buddies are pressuring him to save her for their own sake, but doing so would be blood in the water to Republican sharks. Obama covering up Clinton crimes would be a trifecta....it's Benghazi with 100 gallons of gasoline poured on it....during an election season. I can't see Obama walking in to that trap just to save Clintons skin.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
61. I made that argument once
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:45 PM
May 2016

"Having an affair is not illegal." They really pushed to make it seem like that was the whole story, and I fell for it. With more maturity, the way I see it now is that it wasn't impeachment worthy, but yeah, Clinton broke the law while POTUS.

That they used unethical and even illegal behavior to cultivate loyalty has to be some of the most cynical political maneuvering I have seen.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. Thanks, Scuba. It could have been far longer, but I suspect few people read
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:36 AM
May 2016

long detailed posts.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
12. If I understand the Org chart correctly
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:37 AM
May 2016

The Secretary of State runs the State Department. In this regard I believe at the bottom line the Secretary of State determines what the State Department allows....

It all gets a bit circular at this point.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. That is not factual. The report makes that quite clear, no matter how you interpret
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:40 AM
May 2016

that chart.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
15. What you are saying is
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:48 AM
May 2016

that the Secretary has no role in determining what the State Department "allows"?

I think the Secretary probably determines at some level what the State Department "allows", which is why this statement is a lame excuse. "I let myself do it" therefore everything is OK?

The law is the law, and things do not become legal because the executive "allows" them.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. No. The report is saying that there are rules that even the Secretary is
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:52 AM
May 2016

supposed to abide by and she did not.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
57. Yes. The rules are in place to ensure compliance with laws.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

Even the SoS must follow the law. The Dept rules in place are to ensure compliance with the laws. While Clinton could seek to change the rules, the proposed changes would have to be run by legal and security departments to make sure the legal end was still covered. There is no evidence that she did so.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
55. Nope.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

The hierarchies are not that linear. For example, the NSA is responsible for all government computer security policies. Including the State department's. Being SoS did not let Clinton overrule their policies.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
19. Conflating Blackberries and private server. Her comments were about her Blackberry. Even BO still
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:46 AM
May 2016

uses his Blackberry and did then too. Private e-mails were in use by every SOS since Albright because the DOS computer systems were outdated, weak, and vulnerable. Albright, Rice, Powell, and Kerry until recently has used private e-mail. HRC has said she made a mistake and was wrong, however she conducted not official government on her private server. Her server was never hacked...attempts made but never succeeded..unlike other government accounts severely hacked. Clinton didn't knowingly and intentionally turn over or share security information with a paramour or other un-cleared individual.

Get over it. She made a mistake using her personal server..the only information classified was classified AFTER she left office.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
39. Bahahahahahahaha! Where did the emails TO her blackberry route through?
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:54 AM
May 2016

I swear, the effort put into denying reality is almost as fun to watch as Hillary's stories falling apart

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
54. you need to reread her statement about haccking. her official statement ent says
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:07 AM
May 2016

That that were attempts, but no successful attempts that SHE KNOWS OF.

She's feigning ignorance if it is found it was successfully hacked.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
22. It is a big deal for those of us who pay attention. But that's not most voters.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:00 AM
May 2016

I've come to realize that many people just don't read politics. In the end, I'll be surprised if any of this changes anything. I'm not sure Bernie will know what to do. It is all about judgement again. But he's so close to end that he's kind of stuck. Make a big deal and hurt her and alianate voters maybe or don't make a big deal and we'll have even more reason to worry about the next POTUS. This is about trust.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
23. Clinton said, "I fully complied with every rule I was governed by."
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

Actually she didn't comply with m/any at all.

And lied about it.

And continues to lie about it, to try to minimize her selfish choices.

PufPuf23

(8,785 posts)
31. Nice summary. Like you I think Hillary Clinton will pay no price
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:44 AM
May 2016

but may end up losing the POTUS to Trump so we all will pay for the vanity of Clinton and her strong supporters.

This will cascade down through the Democratic part of the ballot.

The loss will be blamed on the liberals and Sanders supporters, of course.

The powers that be of money and power want Clinton but prefer Trump to Sanders.

Interesting to see if Clinton is replaced by Biden or other. I would much prefer Kerry over Biden.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
50. Worst case scenario: she's not punished, becomes the candidate...
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:58 AM
May 2016

...then gets her ass handed to her by the vulgar talking yam, taking the downballot with her in countless races. GOP gets a filibuster-proof majority in both houses.

I really hope she has the character to drop out if a request for indictment is returned...but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

PufPuf23

(8,785 posts)
52. I agree and alas my biggest problem with Hillary Clinton is her character.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton will only drop out is forced to by Democratic leadership (say by leaders condemning and votes of super-delegates) or indictment and arrest.

If elected POTUS, Clinton will be on the ropes against the GOP from day one and will face the onslaught having birned her bridges with close to half her own party at the grassroots.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. Um, no. As hilly fans, you should recognize that this is damaging for her
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:52 AM
May 2016

But you are too dazzled by your adoration for her.

BootinUp

(47,157 posts)
40. I never said it wasn't damaging. But I believe people will or have
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

already digested it, and found it to be minor.

BootinUp

(47,157 posts)
44. I've seen plenty of it, voters have or will agree. They will
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:29 AM
May 2016

say lets move on. She admitted she should have done it differently. What's to deny?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
47. It uncovered more lies. It found evidence that Hillary and her inner crew intentionally avoided
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

public record laws and were not cooperative with the OIG investigation.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
49. You can't polish this turd. Sadly, there is more to come.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:33 AM
May 2016

The FBI's investigation has gone far deeper than the OIG.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
42. “Her attention was drawn to the ...vulnerability during her ... trip to Asia"
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:03 AM
May 2016

"But Clinton kept using her private BlackBerry — and the basement server. "

Game, set, match.

She's a felon.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
62. She's like a three year old, thinking she's invisible because she's behind a ladder back chair.
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:54 PM
May 2016

Nobody can find the server in my basement. Argh. <smh>

KPN

(15,646 posts)
58. Huh? Well yeah, except SHE WAS the State Department.
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

SHE was in charge ... so, of course SHE allowed it.

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