2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat does this say to our children?!?
The State Dept. IG report explicitly cites the rules that Hillary disregarded, and willfully broke. As a father raising a teenage daughter trying to teach her right from wrong. One would think that I could use the "Democratic nominee" for President as an example for my daughter. Sadly, I can't.
It's about time that we hold our political leaders up to the same standards that we hold our children.
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)The first woman President, a liar and a cheater.
Great.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)who taught children all about blow jobs when they were three years old.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)If they affect your ability to accomplish the really important aspects of your job, you find a way to work around them. Sometimes that'll get you in trouble with a by-the-book dufus, or someone out to get your ass. Other times, you accomplish the real aspects of your job, or other activity.
Otherwise, the kid will grow up anally retentive and miserable.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)It's the willful aspect of it that bothers me so. The President made it a cornerstone of his campaign, being transparent...if anyonewould know that it would be her. To willfully break that rule, in my eyes...as an Obama supporter, is inexcusable. If it were something "to work around", you'd think she'd want clearance...since it's so important.
but thank you, I can use this to stress...important rules.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)When a woman beats out a field of four white men and then the supporters of one of them wants to subvert the will of the people. It really does send a shitty message.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Hillary would have never done anything this sneaky on her own and we can take her word on that. Sure, she has been proven to be a terrible liar time and time again but this time was different. She was totally telling the truth and we can believe it, because she said so.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Nothing reflective of anything I or anyone else has said. Glad I'm not in a position to where I have to employ hyperbole at that level.
Strange rant you have there. I hope your day gets better.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)I figured I would just help you out. Every time I read your posts I picture someone getting out of bed in the morning, stretching, putting on their slippers, and then shuffling out their front door to shake their fist at the world. Thought I might just give you a boost for your day so you felt that someone had your back.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Shake my fist at the world? Lol
I woke up this morning and played with my dog in the front yard. Ran two miles, had breakfast, posted some here, got cleaned up and headed into my office. Sent some emails to county commissioners as I'm a part of a group trying to stop the development of homes on ten acres known to be the home of an endangered species. Now I'm laughing at you.
And it's only 9:40 in the morning.
Your crystal ball sucks. Lol
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)That's what you gave me to work with.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Comprehension is completely different.
Smile.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And when I read your posts I picture someone who disrespects, denigrates, and dehumanizes others from the anonymity of a computer modem because to do so in real life is fraught with danger.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Who are subject to the same rules and regulations.
If there was someone in my unit that got away with what Hillary did it would break down morale.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)anyone else for them in the future? And should all those people in jail for those same things be set free since those things apparently no longer apply?
mathewsleep
(857 posts)Tell her Clinton did nothing wrong, and cooperated with every investigation.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)There's a useful piece of information for your teenage daughter to digest. Teach her that partisan politics is full of lies and half-truths, and that she should make decisions on elections based on her best assessment of the available information.
DookDook
(166 posts)"Well that really depends on what your definition of 'is' is."
Just break out that old chestnut. By the time they finish unpacking what you said you can be two counties away!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)and some useful idiots played along.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)She better have a good VP is all I can say
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Regardless the right or wrong of it all.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)what are we, as a nation, thinking?
quagmire.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)BootinUp
(47,156 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)what I do know...politics and zealotry never mixes well and we see that every day here...sanders has closet filled with all sorts of dirt...believe me...do I care ? No
Everyone does. Effective leadership and being a "perfect" person never works, never has worked and never will work....only in la la land of milk and honey does it
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Has to endure ... Thru out a lifetime because of the privilege and entitlement. Teacher her that as Clinton preserves with the extremism, she has to work twice as hard, be three times better. The front runner thru out as continually called a loser, never good enough and continue on to success.
Or you can teach her that is her role, suck it up and pretend there isn't a game being played and allow the unlovely playing field feeling sorry for the oppressor. Watching her tone, sitting quietly hands on her lap, eyes down and behaving as man demands of her.
Spacedog1973
(221 posts)Everyone has skeletons in their closet, no one is perfect. Thats also a part of life. I'm sure you haven't mentions Bernie's rape essays either, or Trump's multiple wives and fantasy of marrying his daughter.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)I don't think it's helpful to see someone of authority twisting and manipulating rules to get what they want either. We watch the morning news, CNN New Day mostly....she's heard about the Trump stuff...not the Bernie. There's freaky, and then there's fundamentals. This goes to the fundamentals.
Spacedog1973
(221 posts)You know that, surely. This is nothing new. Expecting purity from our leaders is a fools errand and teaching children to expect that is setting them up to live a life of anger and resentment, rather than preparing them for reality.
You are not actually serious, but using this topic as a stick. Being careful of old men is one of the first things you teach young girls. That is always before 'fundamentals'. You know that. Be more honest about your threads.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It's definitely a life survival skill.
Spacedog1973
(221 posts)Isn't what life is about. You teach them reality, not that politicians should be pure of heart, America is the greatest country on earth or if you work hard, you'll get what you are earned in proportion to the work you put in.
Realism avoids the need for cynicism.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)please look to reply #21
this is mostly about the willful disregard of known, agreed upon rules.
yeah, there's always grey areas and that's why we've tried to teach her to make good judgements.
but shouldn't we hold our leaders up to higher standards than what we do?
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and can break whatever rules they want to break, whenever they want to break them.
Richard Nixon once said, "If a President does it then it's not illegal." Essentially, the entire Watergate thing and his forced resignation sent the message that even Presidents need to obey the law.
Unfortunately, lots of people in high office or in some sort of high position still believe rules and laws don't apply to them.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Is it ideal? No, but Hillary is hardly alone in this. Hell, there are some parts of the government that still use Windows 3.1.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Jeebus.
The Clintons are always surrounded by questions. Big ones and the ones you don't want to answer.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)what's the title? maybe our Library has it?