And I bet Bernie would keep his promise if he agreed to a debate.

Give David a pat on the back for that; tell him I said kudos.

One of my favorite posters.

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The only negative is that SBS goes at Trump first. Aren't we past this whole ego thing?


Let SBS take a crack at him, this will expose his positions and can be used to contrast future Trump responses.



Who better, besides Elizabeth Warren, to first expose Trump--since it shields HRC from the first encounter with the RWNJ.


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He should know better.

It would undermine the party as well as he is not going to be the nominee.

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The whole fair reporting thing, which is bullshit, says that both views of a subject must be reported on.


FOX is constantly used as the counter to other news media, and while they only get 3M viewers, their reporting hits hundreds of newspapers and dozens of channels, since they are always the opposite viewpoint to conventional thought.


DWS, Obama, SBS and almost every other Democrat politician appears on FOX, just not HRC.


There was an article a few weeks back stating that HRC doesn't appear on there, because of spite for how they treat her. Well, they treat almost every Democrat the same way. She is the one who is imposing the moratorium on appearing on FOX--no one else.


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He's been on FOX before, so has Obama and almost every other Democrat, except for HRC.


Now, HRC can not turtle in her shell towards FOX, she must embrace the FOX Bull(shit) by the horns.


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I was one of a unanimous seven who voted to leave it alone. sometimes sanity prevails.

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Thanks, BTW!


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And if you are foolish enough to think Bernie won't demolish trump, that explains why you are a Hillary supporter.

Bernie has called Trump a pathological liar for months.....yet they imagine that now Bernie is going to give him a big hug.

Will pm you

they seem to possess a cohesive personality reminiscent of high school's nastier cliques.

if everything was on the up and up and above board.
something else is in effect though.

I have written the campaign as I think it is a bad decision.

What part does she play in the rise of a psychopath?

If they were neck and neck, sure, but that's past.

It's smart to decline a debate and spend the time needed to prepare for a debate on battling Trump, and Sanders, now that he is in the last days of his campaign.

... when she feels it's no longer in her interest to keep it. Have to say I agree with you.

Like Bernie just jumped on the Trump debate proposal because he thought it would help his chances.

Unfortunately Trump pulled a "Lucy" and jerked the football away.

... which is that Hillary can go back on her word when she feels like it. Regardless of your opinion of politics being rough, one can take away, again, that Hillary is a liar.

Your characterization of the Trump/Bernie debate is also wrong. Bernie only said he would do it, not implying that his entire life rested on it. Had Bernie said no, you would be all over that saying Bernie was a wimp - all while ignoring that Hillary wimped out on the debate too. The end result is that both Hillary and Trump p***ed out on the debate, in spite of all their bravado.

it's primary process. My party's nominee should be the one to debate the Republican Party's nominee.

I intend to be the nominee so I will debate Mr. Trump at a later date."

That would have gotten him huge points, even with Hillary supporters who have been criticizing him for his continual attacks on the party.

Camp Hillary would be calling him a wimp.

And you see it as "continual attacks on the party," meaning you have a certain deference to the party even when it's doing bad things (which I doubt you can even acknowledge, again due to that deference to the noble's thing). For the rest of us who aren't starry-eyed about them, we want the party to change away from the proscribed, contrived process that they've forced on us for decades. Elections are a joke.

at least publicly. That's damaging to the brand he asked to join so he could get the national recognition he would never have gotten as a little known independent socialist from a small state.

Work behind the scenes to change the party, win the nomination and then really make the changes, but continuously blasting the party publicly seems so unappreciative.

I mean he asked to join. If it was so bad, why join?

He's registered as a democrat. Now there's this idea that he should put up a token campaign but let Hillary have it, get in line for later. Screw that! We've had decades of that kind of seniority-driven crap and gotten screwed. You should be angry at the democratic party for being so screwed up.

This is the real difference: a lot of people supporting Bernie actually are progressive in that we don't defer to the "old-guard" Democrats (tm) who are more interested in preserving their positions and power than fixing the country. And make no mistake, there are things that need to be fixed, and the old guard will not do it.

Not the party, the brand he asked to join and was invited in.

In what way is he "going after" the party? And are you saying the party can't handle being gone after? I absolutely think that everybody should "go after" the party when they so totally screw up. By "screw up" I mean that the house, senate, and governorships have been increasingly lost. My belief is that this is because the top party people are far more interested in their positions than winning and doing good for the country. I refuse to blindly "believe in" the party and not criticize them.

I don't. Why voters could actually get the idea that the party is bad so they turn to the repugs or maybe a third party.

Why risk doing that publcly when that fight can be fought behind the scenes?

By all means go after your opponent though. That's what the campaign it about, to make voters think you're the better candidate, not that your party is shit.

... like, say, not criticizing Obama for increasing the domestic spying or drone use, or not criticizing the party for having a crapphy platform, then our arguments against republicans fall flat. Basically, if one can't criticize themself then theey have no business criticizing others.

Bernie could have stayed completely silent on this and he would be getting flak for not accepting.

Damned if he does and damned if he don't.

Will be discussed in a debate and she wants this to be buried ASAP. If she is asked a question about it, there will be sound clips that can be used against Hillary from now until November.

That is why she broke her promise to debate.

He'd still be close to 300 behind.

Desperation is not a good look, as in also immediately agreeing to Trumps prank debate.

Sanders needs to concentrate how to change that instead of a debate.

I'm glad I'm not voting for a serial liar

they have every right to see a debate between Bernie and Clinton. It's called democracy.. Heard of it?

Hillary needs to concentrate on running against two candidates. Sanders just has to run against her, and he's losing at that.

Haven't we heard his stump speech quite enough.

It's obvious that Clinton and her supporters are uncomfortable with the idea of her having to defend her numerous lies and bad judgement, especially the IG"s report.

Remember Rove deleting tons more emails from White House servers before Bush left office?

Not a peep out of anyone over that. Here's a link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7859178

She is responsible for her actions. Time to stop blaming everybody else for her lies and terrible judgement.

Not in the volume that Clinton did but by the time she was SOS emails had become more common place as a means of communication, therefore there was more volume.

Still something that was ignored when Rove did it from White House servers but with the hate Clinton, the repugs want the National Guard, the FBI, CIA and everybody called in to investigate.

nothing to gain by exposing himself to a non-competitor. It won't happen.

to the guy. His wealthy donors are what will matter most.

the republican side call all the shots. I agree.

Hillary could have taken the opportunity to debate. She chose to let Trump do so instead

By no means was it her first bad decision and it will definitely not be her last

Bernie would wipe the floor with the Manchurian Combover.

And it's hillary voters/supporter who are handing the country over to that fucking psychopath.

He's a Presidential candidate. He will destroy Trump and allow the fool to display every ugly thing about himself. Why should the public not have every chance possible to see just how disgusting he is?

If he the nominee on July 28th (or clinched before then), THEN he is a presidential candidate.

dumbest post of the day in the dumbest thread of the day.

Yeah, VP is the higher position, but really, unless the president dies or is impeached, it's such a toothless position.

I think Hillary would do better to announce Bernie as her appointee to Secretary of the Treasury, and let him loose.

Bernie has a chance here to seriously damage the republican nominee. I think he knows that the nomination is out of reach but if he weakens the republican nominee, he gains influence over a thankful Democratic Party and can use that to bargain for more say at the convention

...time to flush.

Perfect response.

only a couple weeks away by my count!

Nasty post. Nasty attitude.

A echo chamber for sleazy, corrupt, "assholes" doesn't appeal to me.

Proud of your bloodlust?

Not having to see such terrible posts with horrid right wing sources.

Why do you want Trump to keep getting free passes, friend?

Sanders doesn't care if Trump wins. He has shown that over and over. I doubt Sanders would be so foolish.

"Dear Huffington Post, I never thought it would happen to me..."

Jeffie already said Trumps attacks on Hillary are correct that the campaign agrees with them.

and some kind of statue thing he can put on his desk? Wow. How cool is that!

Guess he was just unofficially an asshole for some ******** before this.

Bernie's going to go out there and destroy Trump while Hillary hides like a child. This is what's called "leadership", and it would be hard to get a more stark contrast.

To Californians and Bernie.

And Bernie debating Trump would be a good thing. That's what we do in this country. It's called Democracy.
What's with Hillary and her supporters against debates? They don't want Hillary to debate and they don't want Bernie or Trump to debate? And Bernie is the asshole? What a sad lot.

They won't get that in a general election debate with Clinton. Clinton-Trump debates will be be notable only for an historic overuse of the pronoun "I".

This show is a rerun of the skull and bones 2004 election. I want a new script!

With negative 19 favorability ratings, she needs help from somewhere, and Bernie can do it better than anyone else.

He has been the candidates sticking to issues not horse race/personal attack crap.

The opportunity to throw all his HRC crap out there. This is custom made to help him and not Sanders. If Sanders does this he will be allowing himself to be used for Trumps gain only.

At least someone else would have a chance to say something.

Ok, ok over the last 48 hours maybe... and not really.

or maybe do understand but don't want to admit it.

Yesterday Hill supporters said good surrogates have a duty to go on the offensive to spare Hillary from having to do so. This was in response to a thread asking why Warrens anti trump message has been more impactful than Hillarys.

But now, when Sanders does exactly what they praised Warren for doing - engaging Trump in Hillarys stead - it becomes a bad thing.


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