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The Emails
ByJosh Marshall PublishedMay 25, 2016, 3:47 PM EDT 5205 views
A brief note on the State Department IG Report on the Clinton email issue. The ledes of a lot of stories present this as a rough hit for Clinton, bad news blah blah blah. Let's focus on the essential point: Continued at TPM
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Hardly a vindication. The State Dept report didn't even address classified information violations and it intentionally fudged on how the same acts that violated Departmental regulations also violated federal criminal statutes. As usual, most of the meat is in the footnotes.
The DOS report does say HRC violated regulations that implement the Federal Records Act, and cites referenced criminal penalties against destruction of federal records. See page 10, footnotes 40, 41
The report makes further references to Clinton's actions that implicate federal laws:
* Duties to preserve federal records imposed by law upon the head of agency not observed are also cited at p. 12, ft. 48.
* The Secretary failed to timely notify the National Archives of pending destruction of official records according to law. p. 17, ftn 73.
* See, also, section that covers State Department discussions of efforts to recover emails dating back to 2011. pp. 17-19.
* In particular, Pages 26-27 discuss Clinton and staff's failures to fully comply with Departmental records requests after leaving office. The requirement to return classified materials is also imposed by her signed security agreement under penalty of Sec. 793, and 1924.
* The use of an uncertified server for official communications violated federal laws requiring agencies to create and maintain information security certification requirements for all information systems. p. 27, ftns. 114, 115
* Use of noncertified Blackberrys and cell phones is banned inside State Dept facilities (except in strictly nonclassified areas, eg, cafeterias), and may not be connected to Dept. systems on noncertified systems, per State Dept. regulation on Dec 2, 2009. p. 30, ftns 120, 121
* Forwarding of official communications to non-secure email systems has been forbidden since 2004. p. 31, ftn. 129.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/state-department-report-on-clintons-email-practices/2039/?tid=a_inl
BootinUp
(47,151 posts)are ignoring. The Federal government doesn't prosecute people for records violations and most Americans will recognize that.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)and a former National Security Advisor for destroying federal records. Sorry, try a new Clinton campaign meme.
BootinUp
(47,151 posts)but as I have always maintained you're going to be disappointed.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Come back once you've read how their careers ended.
BootinUp
(47,151 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)herself, and information from 22 Top Secret documents on Hillary's uncertified server?
BootinUp
(47,151 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)BootinUp
(47,151 posts)about classified docs at this point.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)that states that the Intelligence Community found classified information on Hillary's server originating within the IC member agencies. They weren't "retroactively classified," as the Clinton campaign has continued to claim:
Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated
and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This
classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf
frylock
(34,825 posts)They really have no idea what's going on here.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)BootinUp
(47,151 posts)different classifing standards, different classifying authorities, wait for the FBI report.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)BootinUp
(47,151 posts)category. They intentionally leaked confidential information.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Going by the historic record of what the definition of is is, it's clear where you're coming from.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)However, he is not a lawyer, so his "informed legal opinion" is moot. Keeping in mind that most lawyers who have spoken about this issue disagree with him.
ETA: besides, we all know it was the BFEE.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Here's a hint, I am the author or co-author of six professional law practice books and manuals published by major publishers, one of which is in its 5th edition, another in its 3rd ed.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)You may be telling the truth about what you do, you may not.
As far as your privacy, I used to keep my info on here public until a DUer decided to start bringing my family into arguments. So I feel you there.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I've read perhaps two dozen articles that address the legal issues in this particular matter to some degree. Without exception, the ones that attempt to exonerate Hillary are inaccurate, incomplete, or are simply biased spin.
All but one of these HRC advocacy pieces sidestep the applicability of Sec. 793(e) and (f) to Hillary's mishandling of classified materials. The rest confine themselves to other sections, principally Sec. 1924, that impose a higher burden of proof. By omission, they all mislead some readers to conclude that there has never been a comparable Espionage Act prosecution of a high gov't official. They also imply by omission that there is a requirement to prove an elevated intent beyond the mere element of mens rea, or "guilty knowledge," and conclude incorrectly that is the reason high officials have never been charged with 793. Both of those insinuations have no basis in the plain-language of the statute and the history of classified information violation cases.
Here is a good place to start reading up on the subject:
The Congressional Research Service
"Criminal Prohibitions on the Publication of Classified Defense Information"
Jennifer K. Elsea
Legislative Attorney
September 9, 2013
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/R41404.pdf (pdf)
You should also read the terms and penalties laid out in the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement that Hillary Clinton signed. That states the statutes that may be applied to her for violating that oath. Here is Hillary's Security Oath and the statute it references, 18 USC Sec. 793. Go ahead and read it.
1) Hillary signed this document on 01/22/09:
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! I RELEASE IN PART I
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---------------------------------1REVIEW AUTHORITY:
CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT Barbara Nielsen, Senior
Reviewer
AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN Hillary Rodham Clinton AND THE UNITED STATES
1. lntending to be legally bound. I hereby accept the obligations contained In this Agreement In consideration of my being granted access to classified information. As used in this Agreement, classified Information is marked or unmarked classified Information, including oral communications, that is classified under the standards or Executive Order 12958, or under any other Executive order or statute that prohibits unauthorized disclosure of lnformation in the Interest of national security; and unclassified Information that meets the standards for classification and is in the process of a classification determination as provided In Section 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and 1A(e) of Executive Order 12958 or under any other Executive order or statute that requires protection for such information in the of national security. I understand and accept that by being granted access to classified lnformation special confidence and trust have been placed in me by the United States Government .
2. I hereby acknowledge that I have received a security lndoctrination concerning the nature and protection of classified information, including the procedures to be followed in ascertaining whether other persons to whom I contemplate disclosing this Information have been approved for access to it, and that I understand these procedures.
3. I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of classified Information by me could cause damage or irreparable injury to the United States or could be used to advantage by a foreign nation. I hereby agree that I will not divulge classified information to anyone unless: (a) I have officially verified that the recipient has been properly authorized by the United States Government to receive it, or (b) I have been given prior written notice of authorization from the United States Government Department or Agency (hereinafter Department or Agency) 1'9SJ) responsible for the classification of information or last granting me a security clearance that such disclosure is permitted. I understand that lf I am uncertain about the classification status of Information, I am required to confirm from an authorized official that the Information is unclassified before I may disclose It, except to a person as provided in (a) or (b), above. I further understand that I am obligated to comply with laws and regulations that prohibit the unauthorized disclosure of classified lnformation.
4. I have been advised that any breach of this may result In the termination of any security clearances I hold; removal from any position of special confidence and trust requiring such clearances; or termination of my employment or other relationships with the Departments or Agencies that granted my security clearance or clearances. In addition, I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of classified lnformation by me may constitute a violation, or violations. of Untied States criminal laws, including the provisions of Sections 641. 793, 794, 798, *952 and 1924, Title 18, United States Code, and the provisions of Section 783(b), Title 50,
United Slates code. and the provisions of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. I recognize that nothing In the Agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation..
5. I hereby assign to the United States Government all royalties, remunerations. and emoluments that have resulted, wiII result or may result from any disclosure, publication or revelation of classified Information not consistent with the terms of this Agreement
6. I understand that the United States Government may seek any remedy available to it to enforce this Agreement Including, but not but not limited to application for a court order prohibiting disclosure of Information In breach of this Agreement.
1. I understand that all classified information to which I have access or may obtain access by signing this Agreement will remain the property of, or under the control of the United States Government unless and until otherwise determined by an authorized official or final ruling of a court of law. I agree that I shall return all classified materials which have or may come into my possession or for which I am responsible because of such access: (a) upon demand by an authorized representative of the United States Government; (b) upon the conclusion of employment or other relationship with the Department or Agency that last granted me a security clearance or- that provided me access ID classifled Information; or (c) upon the conclusion of my employment or other relationship that requires access to classified information. If I do not return such materials upon request, I understand that this may be a violation of Sections 793 and/or 1924, § 18, United States Code, a United States criminal law.
8. Unless and until I am released In writing by an authorized representative or the United States Government.. I understand that all conditions and obligations imposed upon me by this Agreement apply during the time I am granted access to classified lnformation, and at all times thereafter.
9. Each provision of this Agreement is severable. If a court should find provision of this Agreement to be unenforceable, all other provisions of this Agreement shall remain In full force and effect.
Sec 793 (e) and (f) linked here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552653
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)someone. You're a frustrated sort of person. You don't have the facts or the law on your side, as events in the real world steadily confirm. Your idol just took a big hit, and things look like they'll get even worse when the Intelligence Community (IC) Inspector General issues its report confirming findings that Hillary's server contains classified information that should never have been on there. This is what the IC and the State Dept IGs have already said about that last July in a joint statement you may have missed:
Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated
and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This
classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.
Then, soon thereafter, FBI Director Comey will issue his findings that will recount her unlawful actions in nauseating detail and legal specificity. So, you make yet another ad hominem attack.
But, you seem to continue enjoy stalking.
This obsession to go after me must serve some need you have to make issues you apparently don't understand into personal attacks.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...is disconnected. Please hang up and never try again.
People get smarter who read leveymg. Those who don't understand that, that's their problem.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)about yourself. I'll be happy to check it out.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)That shouldn't be too hard.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Hell no. Why should I trust you? The only thing I know about you is you've made this into some sort of personal obsession.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)" If you were really all that interested, you could confirm that." OK. Tell me how I can 'confirm' your authorship (or co-authorship) of all those legal texts you say you have authored.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)"six professional law practice books and manuals published by major publishers, one of which is in its 5th edition, another in its 3rd ed." for a start?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)your "six professional law practice books and manuals"????
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Seeing how you are unable to discuss the facts and resort to ad hominem and straw men shows what you are, Dr Hobbitstein.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)know what the law says as part of maintaining their security clearances.
This crap that you need a law degree to read is stupid.
The SoS and anyone else who deals with classified information are required to train at least once a year to understand the law and how it applies to their positions.
Of course, Hillary only attended one such meeting the whole time she was SoS. Maybe that's why she's so confused about why she's being investigated.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... and periodically unplugging the email server. Don't send any secrets for a couple of hours and all should be good.
We'll stop this ongoing hack attack as soon as the Secretary of State is done in there.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)At least
a) the secrets he released were for an ethical reason.
b) he knows what he released.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)The Bernsters tried their best, as the Indictment Fairy would've been their Hail Mary to get him to the nomination, but it fizzled out as we knew it would.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Needs to get his head out of the sand.
oasis
(49,387 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is actually the headline here
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Dem2
(8,168 posts)it's becoming comical at this point.
Teh hate, it burns!
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Does not compute.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Why surprising?
BootinUp
(47,151 posts)for news and politics.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Never rely on a few. And what don't you get about people becoming part of establishment? All it takes is status and money. Don't get stuck in one source just because it used to be alternative. That's a long, long time ago now. Once these "alternative" types start appearing on mainstream media and Josh has any times start to be wary.