2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGuccifer's Plea Agreement.
So Fox "News" was correct this time. The DOJ and the FBI apparently do find Lazar credible enough to add this to the plea agreement:
https://cryptome.wikileaks.org/2016/05/lazar-guccifer-028-031.pdf
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)I was concerned he/she had an air tight argument.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)apnu
(8,756 posts)And they're right to do so.
cali
(114,904 posts)ret5hd
(20,491 posts)and that's definitely not nobody.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)to save Trump huh? This this really the best you can hope for?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Right, he means nothing at all. The FBI which falls under the jurisdiction of the Obama administration just gave the guy a free vacation all the way from Romania to kick back and have a few beers in a jail cell. Amiright?
Where do you guys come up with this shit?
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)damn, take a stand and stick with it. Once it's disproved 20 times. Admit defeat and go for a walk.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I work in cyber security. I take data safety seriously.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)and saved everyone the time, money and trouble.
840high
(17,196 posts)proving his statements.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)"The real gangsters of capital hill"
JudyM
(29,250 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)He must have something to bargain for a reduced sentence.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I suspect so do the targets
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leveymg
(36,418 posts)Makes you sound like a clown.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)JudyM
(29,250 posts)the deal. They have a comfort level that he will pass future ones insisted on by the defense.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)How that works, I have no idea
JudyM
(29,250 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Bob41213
(491 posts)Are those standard practice in plea deals?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Bob41213
(491 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)It's just for efficiency.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)He definitely has something they want. They're not going to cut him a break just in case.
Bob41213
(491 posts)Looks like he's here for a reason.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)anything else...
There's really no way to spin this. I mean who else is he going to testify against?
JudyM
(29,250 posts)nexus (again, Hillary).
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And he probably had it stored online for easy access.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Or Kim Jon Un?
Or ISIS?
Or Putin?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Putting them out. Guccifer shared wiith Russia and another country
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)You ask, "I mean who else is he going to testify against?" IIRC (I haven't followed the whole story in detail), his public statements referred to hacks of multiple targets. We're focused on Hillary only because she's a current candidate and we're politics junkies.
I'd find it plausible that he actually did hack some other emails but that his assertion of having hacked Hillary's is bogus. OTOH, maybe he was telling the truth and knows stuff that will be devastating to her, even if only because it puts one or more of her aides in a bad light.
I just hope the uncertainty is resolved before the convention.
Bob41213
(491 posts)or both...
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Didn't this guy say he'd hacked some emails that had nothing to do with Clinton?
Just because his other targets were government officials who aren't running for President doesn't mean the FBI and DoJ won't care what went on.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)But I think the timing of everything points to Hillary. Not long ago they weren't even sure they were going to extradite him.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)was stated that plea deals indicate there is something major the fbi & dojustice departments want more evidence for something they already know.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)She strikes me as quite the "Lois Lane" and of course the fact she donated part of her liver to save her baby is quite the bonus factor!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)agreements. It means nothing beyond what it actually says.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)What do you think of the OP?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Meet fan.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)so when they give immunity to an IT guy and a plea deal to a hacker they expect a big return for the years of prison time they gave away. That's how you know that the investigators at least will not be giving HRC a pass...
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)But, no... they extradited him and paid for him to be here for something.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)in a pot selling scheme. Nothing special about it.
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)you your lack or legal acumen. Maybe you want to stop digging.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)B. That dude that has the Mason's badge should maybe kiss my patootie since I went to college on a journalism scholarship and a Mason's scholarship.
C. I don't know that any of these people are really attorneys.
Maybe you're scared.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Some of us though, let law school and practice form our opinions. There's a cabal of us on this board.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Too easy to impeach or discredit before a jury, if going to trial is even the desired outcome. I would also be worried about the provenance of any evidence he produces. But they brought him here so I guess they hope he produces something of value. Or else, they just want to sit on him so he doesn't give any more media interviews for a while.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)on the evidence.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Data he might provide.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Thanks for posting