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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:28 AM May 2016

I would hope to have enough integrity that I wouldn't excuse

a candidate who has lied and stonewalled and demonstrated a cavalier disregard for following the rules, if not the law. I don't know that I would. We all justify things. We all see things through the prism of our biases. What I find beyond the pale, you may find perfectly acceptable.

I don't expect the candidates I support to be paragons of virtue. I think good leaders can be deeply flawed and still be effective and do good.

In the end though, integrity and character are of great importance to me when I assess any candidate for office.


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I would hope to have enough integrity that I wouldn't excuse (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
What the hill folk are ignoring are the lies HIllary has told since the email/server story broke morningfog May 2016 #1
It's just interesting to me- the filters through which we see things and how cali May 2016 #2
It's called having a 'partisan brain' merbex May 2016 #3
Hey, thanks for that recommendation cali May 2016 #5
Sorry, the title of the book is 'The Political Brain' merbex May 2016 #7
Let's see Bernie's tax returns. kstewart33 May 2016 #8
Hillarious and pathetic deflection. lol. morningfog May 2016 #9
"Integrity is for paupers" - Tim Russert Fumesucker May 2016 #4
Cali I see your point. kstewart33 May 2016 #6
If you think that comes anywhere near the significance of what she has done, you have some JudyM May 2016 #11
I'm not a particularly emotional person. kstewart33 May 2016 #12
For what reasons? Bluenorthwest May 2016 #14
If she's convicted, they'll argue she should stay in it until all appeals are exhausted. Scuba May 2016 #10
She won't be indicted. kstewart33 May 2016 #13
Agreed. The laws are different for some. Scuba May 2016 #17
"Hillary certainly showed bad judgment and I'm disappointed with how she's handled this mess." cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #19
What's the sense of being in power if you can't get away with a few things? jmg257 May 2016 #15
Excusing and defending aren't the same thing. ucrdem May 2016 #16
I spent 14 years defending her, I won't waste another minute of my life doing that anymore. Autumn May 2016 #20
I have posted similar sentiments before. K & R BootinUp May 2016 #18
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. What the hill folk are ignoring are the lies HIllary has told since the email/server story broke
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:30 AM
May 2016

that have been laid bare by the IG report. That is what is most damning, in my opinion.

ANd it makes you question why? Troubling answers.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. It's just interesting to me- the filters through which we see things and how
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:03 PM
May 2016

we justify actions.

merbex

(3,123 posts)
7. Sorry, the title of the book is 'The Political Brain'
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:13 PM
May 2016

but it discusses what happens when we develop a 'partisan brain' = we can rationalize away any behavior of our chosen candidate because we become emotionally invested in them.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
8. Let's see Bernie's tax returns.
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:14 PM
May 2016

His and Trump's refusal is nothing to brag about. One incomplete return is completely inadequate. That's what Romney did.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
6. Cali I see your point.
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

However, Bernie not releasing his tax returns while saying he would in due time, does not exactly indicate integrity or an honest character. I know that he released one incomplete return, but that's what Romney did. Certainly does not suffice. Especially when Hillary has released more than 20 years of complete returns.

Bernie and Trump should both be called on their refusal to release complete returns.

I think the reason for Bernie's refusal is the $200k payout that Jane received while her college struggled to survive and subsequently shut down. Nothing illegal about that, but it surely is in contrast with Bernie's stand on income inequality.

Bernie is a politician. He has pluses and minuses just like everyone else. I admire him for his causes and his movement, but putting Bernie's character upon a pedestal, especially given that he has not been vetted by the media, is too much.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
11. If you think that comes anywhere near the significance of what she has done, you have some
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

damned strong emotional skewing toward her.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
12. I'm not a particularly emotional person.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

I just think Hillary would make a far better president than Bernie.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
13. She won't be indicted.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

Yes, the media is screaming about her emails, but given what the media has become in its relentless drive for ratings that mean more $$$, I'm not surprised.

Hillary certainly showed bad judgment and I'm disappointed with how she's handled this mess.

But I very much doubt that the FBI will indict her.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
19. "Hillary certainly showed bad judgment and I'm disappointed with how she's handled this mess."
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

Yet, you're convinced that in the larger picture of governing the most powerful nation in the world... she'll do just fine.

Vlad the Destroyer will have a field day with her at the helm. You think his jets are flying close to our naval vessels now; just wait til they start flying over top of them with their fuel dumps open. Putin pulled out fingernails with pliers while at the KGB, just to get people to say what he wanted them to say. Hillary will need war somewhere, just to prove she's up to the task. War is imminent with her in the White House.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
15. What's the sense of being in power if you can't get away with a few things?
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

That (and making $$$) is mostly the point!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. Excusing and defending aren't the same thing.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

If the VRWC comes panting after a Democratic candidate and the entire "liberal" press licks its chops and plays along (see SBVT) then yes I'm going to defend him or her. We all should.

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