2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI would hope to have enough integrity that I wouldn't excuse
a candidate who has lied and stonewalled and demonstrated a cavalier disregard for following the rules, if not the law. I don't know that I would. We all justify things. We all see things through the prism of our biases. What I find beyond the pale, you may find perfectly acceptable.
I don't expect the candidates I support to be paragons of virtue. I think good leaders can be deeply flawed and still be effective and do good.
In the end though, integrity and character are of great importance to me when I assess any candidate for office.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)that have been laid bare by the IG report. That is what is most damning, in my opinion.
ANd it makes you question why? Troubling answers.
cali
(114,904 posts)we justify actions.
merbex
(3,123 posts)Drew Westen wrote a book of that title.
cali
(114,904 posts)merbex
(3,123 posts)but it discusses what happens when we develop a 'partisan brain' = we can rationalize away any behavior of our chosen candidate because we become emotionally invested in them.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)His and Trump's refusal is nothing to brag about. One incomplete return is completely inadequate. That's what Romney did.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)However, Bernie not releasing his tax returns while saying he would in due time, does not exactly indicate integrity or an honest character. I know that he released one incomplete return, but that's what Romney did. Certainly does not suffice. Especially when Hillary has released more than 20 years of complete returns.
Bernie and Trump should both be called on their refusal to release complete returns.
I think the reason for Bernie's refusal is the $200k payout that Jane received while her college struggled to survive and subsequently shut down. Nothing illegal about that, but it surely is in contrast with Bernie's stand on income inequality.
Bernie is a politician. He has pluses and minuses just like everyone else. I admire him for his causes and his movement, but putting Bernie's character upon a pedestal, especially given that he has not been vetted by the media, is too much.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)damned strong emotional skewing toward her.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)I just think Hillary would make a far better president than Bernie.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Scuba
(53,475 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Yes, the media is screaming about her emails, but given what the media has become in its relentless drive for ratings that mean more $$$, I'm not surprised.
Hillary certainly showed bad judgment and I'm disappointed with how she's handled this mess.
But I very much doubt that the FBI will indict her.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Yet, you're convinced that in the larger picture of governing the most powerful nation in the world... she'll do just fine.
Vlad the Destroyer will have a field day with her at the helm. You think his jets are flying close to our naval vessels now; just wait til they start flying over top of them with their fuel dumps open. Putin pulled out fingernails with pliers while at the KGB, just to get people to say what he wanted them to say. Hillary will need war somewhere, just to prove she's up to the task. War is imminent with her in the White House.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)That (and making $$$) is mostly the point!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)If the VRWC comes panting after a Democratic candidate and the entire "liberal" press licks its chops and plays along (see SBVT) then yes I'm going to defend him or her. We all should.