This is really, really reaching.

Hillary is the one who declined the opportunity to debate Bernie. Your post makes it sound as if she had been excluded.

I am looking forward to this debate. Trump is all empty bluster; Bernie will destroy him!

is just hateful. Isn't there a law against things like this?

it scares the hell out of me due to the potential damage Bernie will do, but I haven't seen one word about her being invited too.

She's the one that dropped out of this one. No man, or anyone else, made her do it.

This, straight up, sounds like the ramblings of a crazy person

Right?

Money can't buy this kinda entertainment!

This is on Clinton, if she had carried through on her commitment from earlier in the primary we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That's writing a lot of extra meaning into it that just isn't there. Sanders is pulling out all stops to keep his campaign going. Trump wants more airtime. If Hillary wanted to set something like that up, she could also. It would take one statement from her campaign to make a 3-way debate happen, and news outlets would be frothing for it.

but a bit of a stretch. Not everything is sexist. Unless you're Trump, then everything is sexist. And all about Trump. Or his tiny hands.

Please re-read it.

I wasn't happy that Clinton declined the Fox offer.
I thought she should have responded that she would offer to debate Trump on Fox with/without Sanders depending on Sanders choice.

to debate Bernie in California. She declined.

That's like saying if Clinton and Trump debated, it would be raw, naked antisemitism

Hillary broke her promise to debate Sanders. If she did not back out of the debate, this would now be happening.

And I'm a strong Hillary supporter. I don't believe in giving fox any credibility whatsoever so I had no problem with her turning them down - it would have been 1-2 hours of fox trying to make Democrats look bad. As far as Trump/Sanders, donnie's campaign has already said it was a joke.

so the 'No Credibility for Fox News' ship has already sailed. She can't do Fox News events then say she's not doing it because she'd never do Fox News. That's an excuse that would have worked in March.

debate where the fox news hosts give the questions are two ENTIRELY different things. In all honesty, she doesn't need the debate, Bernie does.

Sure she does!

So we can find out what she stands for...this week.

So it's more like she promised to have a debate and then chickened out and her acolytes are now busily spinning themselves blue trying to make her look less cowardly

Kudos on working the sexism angle... AGAIN

It's more directly akin to demanding that conversation stop because I refuse to participate in it.

This debate is a political junkie's prayer. Both these candidates have the most enthusiastic supporters who'll drive rating sky high.

It really has nothing to do with Clinton. She's a snooze fest.

Feelings of such inferiority are not healthy.

Can you explain?

I guess we need to be told what is and what is not sexism.

With posts like this it would appear so.

Also, you don't seem to understand racism either. (Hillary is still white, in case you haven't checked in a while)

Why is she anti-Semitic? Does she have something against all Jews or just this one?

If I recall, she reneged on her debate commitment. She refused to enter the room, as per invitation.

Bernie should not have agreed to debate Trump. It's disrespectful and classless. And Trump embarrassed him by saying it was a joke.
And Bernie felled for it.

How so?

Why can't Sanders debate anyone who will accept?

Those who back out have after agreeing have..... backed out. How disrespectful!

Hillary should not be acting like she's already in the general.

She should wait before snubbing everyone.... and losing the general.

promised to. She is not being excluded. Liars are toxic to this or any other community.

And I'm fed up with the exploitation of bigotries by foul mouthed partisans. Misogyny is a real thing, and this is not it. You are, one has to assume, as male and as straight as they make them.

...BUT she did agree to debate Bernie in California in May.

She has reneged on that agreement.

She and her campaign have, no doubt, calculated that the damage from reneging on this debate is less than the potential damage from having the debate.

We'll see. It certainly will not raise her trustworthiness in the eyes of voters.

Maybe they can put out an empty chair for her.

And I'm sure if she'd like to reconsider that decision, Bernie would be more than willing to debate her and Trump, either singly or together.

But the premise of the OP is just silly.

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C'mon people.

Yes it would kind of pointless but it's just someone trying to put a shot of energy into his campaign by debating, not another man, but the nominee of the other party. It's not sexist in any way. The only way it is sexist is that Bernie is a man. In that case, any man is automatically sexist for not being a woman. Is that what you are saying?

You can't make this shit up lol

Look! Squirrel!

a debate and he could do it and never, not once, mention Hillary.

Of course Trump wasnt going to actually do it.

He is a narcissist and a sociopath.

I guess she evolved once more and now doesn't believe Californians deserve the chance to hear her in a debate that she'd agreed to.

Before officially securing the nomination....and if that event had nothing to do with Sanders - rather they debated around him.....the Sanders supporters would lose their collective minds and burn up their keyboards.

The runner up agreeing to debate the republican presumed nominee is just an attempt at raising money for Sanders and it will serve as a spectacle for trashing the democratic front runner.

That his supporters don't see it for what it is, is just sad.

And you wonder why we don't just hand over the reigns of the democratic party to him. He consistently exhibits poor judgement that puts Sanders' needs first.

I don't think so if Sanders had agreed to debate, and then backed out.

I guess you all are just pissed Hillary isn't the only one around. Have been from the start.

Most of us don't like a monarchy. This is the USA.

Strategically deciding that she didn't need to debate Sanders a tenth time. It is a contest after all, one that's she's working to win. Strategically there's no need to spend a night at the end of his wagging finger. You can say that not agreeing to the last debate deprives the voters of a chance to get to know the candidates but that's rather disengenuous. In this digital age, the information is everywhere. And Sanders never really says anything different. (And that's to his credit. He's remarkable consistent in his message).

This is about Sanders deciding he's going to behave as though he is the nominee by participating in a debate with the republican nominee. It's thoughtless, and puts Bernie first in Bernie's mind. Because he would have raised money off of the appearance while simultaneously trashing the democratic front runner. You may find that behavior admirable. I don't.

As to the monarchy thing, I don't believe the reigning Queen of England had over 13 million citizens cast a vote for her.

Words have actual meanings. 'Voting' is not part of the definition of "monarchy".

Because she does so poorly debating, and complaining about wagging fingers just makes Hillary supporters look stupid and reaching for any kind of way to discredit Sanders, that never works. Just like this OpEd..... it's always complete malarkey.... to the point of comedy.

A while back from the Hil Cave it was all "He should be going after Trump!"....and now ...

Too funny!

Going after Trump vs. arranging to debate with the republican nominee when Sanders is NOT the democratic nominee...well, it tells me all I know about your ability to reason logically.

It's curious to see his side defend the actions that are actually bringing his numbers down even further. Like the NV melee, and this debate shenanigans.

Go figure, huh?

Uh

Hillary is not the nominee either.

In fact, because she backed out like a coward and continues to snub people makes this not about her much at all. This attempt to make it about her (except that it clearly shows her uppity cowardice) shows your inability to reason quite clearly and that Hilts are desperate...again.

Bwahahahahaha.....

Don't address his behaviors, pivot and make it about Hillary. Classic.

June 7th pal....done.

She backed out.... like a coward. She covers it with snubbing and cackling.

her cronies are rigging it for her because she's too cowardly to win straight up.

This is the 2nd time a "nobody" anyone had heard of has threatened her in a short time while she's been running since the 20th century. That never-heard-of won the last time so anything and everything has been done to make sure this one doesn't catch up and overtake her again....

I hope you find a way out of that bubble you're in.

Really I do.

Peace.

Do tell!

till they feel insulted by sexism...get the frick over it...

she would definetly be welcomed into it.

Please, please, please stop finding sexism in every goddamn action by every candidate who is not named Hillary Clinton.

Hillary can grow a spine and jump right up toa podium.

But we both know she won't. It's easiest to not debate and pretend she's the po victim just like always.

That isn't sexism, that just raw privilege on the part of Clinton.

Nice try, though. Can't wait to see the next talking point.

If the woman in the room chooses not to exchange ideas and argue their merits, that's for her to decide. To demand that everyone else shut up and sit down because she has no interest ... That's pulling the gender card in a very not good way.

You may be, and probably are correct that Bernie's window is closing. If we want his ideas out there to be considered, debated and discussed, then this is the time. I can truly say I do not appreciate the entitlement attitude that because she is the likely candidate, she should have a monopoly on ideas and platform to air them. That will keep us mired in the absolute impossibility of anything better ever. And if you haven't noticed, voters aren't too keen on that theme.

Hillary said she would debate and them backed out of it.

And Hillary is white. (in case you didn't notice, which it seems a lot of people haven't)


So it nothing but Hillary's display of snubbing and "it's my turn" mentality and has zero to do with race.


What a bunch of butt hurt over nothing.

Typical Hillary supporter poutrage. Nothing to see here, but plenty to roll your eyes at.

It's time for a winner to debate that loser Trump, and it seems Hillary isn't up to debating.

Now it's just a signpost, letting the reader know that the surrounding text is more about the writer being mad than anything else.

And Bullshit

Hillary turned down Bernie's request. She doesn't get to complain that "oh I'm being ignored" when he goes to try and debate someone else. And neither do you. So quit dividing people, maybe? Nah, that'll never happen.

Bernie v. Hillary is a hell of a lot more substantial than that.

that old meme that women can't do the same job as a man can. She didn't want to debate and that's just a let down to women everywhere.

"...Bernie is NOT going to get the nomination. By even entertaining this idea, he's showing disrespect to Hillary, to the Democratic voters, and to women in general because he refuses to acknowledge her position. That is sexism pure and simple..."

is spot on.

And there have been a lot of dumb ones.