Some more.

Had she the chance to redo it, they would have worked something better out as she has said. The stakes are too big for all of us. Thats the important point and thats why she can't stop fighting. I know politics can be distasteful to watch. Its the nature of the beast.

You know, a minor thing, the historic record.

she should have yes. But since they were mixed in with non-govt records, that obviously complicated the issue.

The report is clear there too

after stalling for years.

Later, because the SD demanded them and HRC had no real choice. Do you thing men of integrity like Obama and Kerry should have stonewalled for her?

My understanding is she is the only former SoS to turn over emails that were work related from a private email account.

I think your first question is answered by the convenience and privacy issues that have already been stated or deduced.

Personally, I blame this on the pukes number 1 for unjustified investigations.
number two on antiquated existing systems.
number three Clinton for not pursuing a better solution.

And I think it comes with the job. Its politics.

None of your excuses explain why John Kerry managed as soon as he came in to comply in spirit as well as in deed. He traveled more, was in far more complex negotiations - yet he had no problem. He also has a private life and I assume he cared to keep his private life private just as much as HRC.

No one ASKED her to commingle her personal and work email -- something most of us know should be avoided anyway. Even if she had made all her SD email available on a timely basis - not after the SD begged her for it - she would be in better standing.

But - I guess like the Rose Law Firm billing records ... they were too personal and private in her case.

She was given the honor of being SoS and it is pretty clear that she was given the party and media support for this nomination. This is a problem of her own making - and I have more sympathy for Obama, whose administration's reputation it affects and Kerry who had to deal with this mess she made than Clinton.

the State Department email, or often didn't use it, because it wasn't sufficiently private. Few, of course, had a highly sophisticated server set up for an ex- POTUS in their basement, and so many often did other technically outlawed things, like discuss secret business over the phone. Very common.

And those in the State Department were hardly alone with their backwards system. Fact is, communication systems in so many government offices in virtually all states as well as DC are deficient, some dreadfully, so that many thousands working in government routinely break the rules while doing their jobs -- very common; sloppily don't bother to abide by rules for years benignly neglected by management; and/or abide dutifully by rules requiring use of systems that they know break ethical and safety standards.

This is the environment that existed when Hillary became SoS and had to decide how to keep her emails secure and private, both from foreign enemies and from Fox and the rest of the right-wing nasties.

Nothing you wrote changes that. The fact is that in every hearing, Kerry and his deputies were asked when they would get the full email to Congress. Were they supposed to simply stone wall for HRC?

PS Fox can file a FOIA - just like all other media.

I can't even board an airplane to visit my in-laws without submitting to a full body scan. If you don't want people to see your personal emails don't use your work email to send them.

I will keep watching.

Have we gotten an update, from her, as to why the IG report doesn't support her claims about following the rules and everything being above board?

There have been no significant revelations in the IG report from what we already knew last November.

wasn't exactly true....and, it certainly, wasn't "above board" as she said.

When the IG says what you did violated policies intended to comply with a federal law, that's not a good thing.

to paraphrase Joe Biden... "This is a big fu*%'n deal!"

request, by her or her people, to use a private e-mail server and if there was, it would have been denied.

That means, her server wasn't compliant under the rules and her use of it wasn't above board.

I ain't buying.

That doesn't work, you know.

done. The most accurate portrayal would be that as far as we know she wasn't fully aware of the all of the requirements.

The EVERYBODY DID IT defense tends to fall apart around the part where you get to her private server....which no other SOS had.

If she wasn't fully aware, then she should have asked the questions....the government is VEEEEERY good at explaining record retention policies

she pushed the envelope.

it said she violated the rules and policies that were in place to comply with the Federal Records Act.

And privacy isn't the same as convenience.

and I did not claim convenience and privacy are the same. They are different and valid considerations for her and for any high level govt. offical.

without, at least, asking if it's okay?
How about talking to someone, in the IT Dept, to find out the best way to retain documents.....while running your bootleg server out of your basement.

Or hey, here's a novel idea....use government e-mail and avoid the whole mess altogether?

Hillary claimed it was a matter of convenience....turns out, she was concerned about privacy. Didn't dawn on her to route private e-mails through her basement and work e-mails through the .Gov domain.

To make matters worse, knowing she didn't ask the questions...knowing that people were telling her there's an issue with her set up, she went out and lied about what was going on.

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its a problem that has caused many in the SD to use a private email service. I can keep defending it every time you come back with a VERY BAD take on it. But we aren't getting anywhere. Let's agree to disagree on how BAD and STUPID it was.

And, since she never had a .GOV e-mail how would she know which was more convenient?

two different devices? And we don't know precisely what options were available. Apparently, the options where not deemed satifactory at the time. In hindsight, that should have been looked at until a satisfactory solution was found.

her blackberry, IPad and IPhone (that was another of her tall tales that fell apart quickly...the one device story)

And she didn't look into options. She was told NO on her blackberry. She never asked about having a private server and when given the option to get on the State E-mail system, she declined...citing "privacy"

The ONLY satisfactory solution she would have accepted was the one she wanted...not what was required or within policy guidelines.

which quickly fell apart when video of her, doing an interview, showed up with her talking about carrying her Blackberry, an Iphone and an IPad.

That's how the whole "convenience" lie got started

from a reputable source.

Isn't handling confidential material kind of like a basic requirement of the job. Like a bus-driver knowing where the brake pedal is?

can't let her Tuesday Morning routine get out there in the public domain

she will be exonerated on that.

Nothing was marked so.

They were also not retroactively classified as Ms. Clinton has claimed. They weren't marked classified, but how can you mark them classified if you're not using the fucking classified system.

https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf

The IC IG found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of 40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.

Is the important part. That backs-up her statement.

And for that matter she originally said “There is no classified material. So I’m certainly well aware of the classification requirements.” which was a lie she changed into "Nothing I sent or received was marked classified."

The first statement was certainly untrue.

issues that should be resolved in the policies of record keeping.

Kerry - even before HRC's usage became a problem, was handling his properly --- and that was BEFORE the 2014 change that he wwas already in compliance with. It is important to point out Rice didn't use email, because that pretty much reduces it to Powell and Clinton, and her abuse of the rules was more significant.

was ok to best of her knowledge. How you want to view it is up to you of course. Strange about Rice though don't you think?

I assume she had email that she used in her private life. I would guess that she preferred paper memos or faxes. The fact is they clearly looked - and all it would have taken is ONE random email from Rice that could be called related to the SD.

Not to mention - as I wrote many times and you ignore --- she left the SD which had open requests for her email. Even if she thought she could use private email for everything - even though the rules said otherwise -- aren't you a bit tired of defending the indefensible. That being leaving the SD and leaving them none of the email. Did she really think that Kerry's team would never realize that she used a private account or that, once they recognized it, that they would become part of the cover up? The fact is he is both more competent and more ethical than she will ever be.

Her precious is almost within reach, there is no way she'll abandon the pursuit now, even if it was the ethical and honorable thing to do.

CT's.

And if I may make a prediction there will be hell to pay come January 20.

where criminality is shown.

The balls not in her court.

Business as usual, then.