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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:27 PM May 2016

Hillary Blatantly Lied Multiple Times To Democratic Voters About Private Server

With the IG report, it is proven that she was neither allowed, asked permission nor did she keep the presence of her server transparent and known to state. She is proven to lie on this matter and she has been completely dishonest in her downplay of the seriousness of this matter.

We can trust nothing she says on this (not that we could trust anything she said before). For those that hang onto her innocence of this, they are idiotic or part of a complete cult of personality for her. How these people perceive things is far from the average American voter.

The GOP is good at using someone's strengths against them like they did with Kerry's war record in 2004. They won't have to even bother with Hillary's strengths if she is the nominee. She's going nowhere in the general election.

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Hillary Blatantly Lied Multiple Times To Democratic Voters About Private Server (Original Post) berni_mccoy May 2016 OP
Just supporting tRump's nickname for her, unfortunately. JudyM May 2016 #1
Your post suggests why Tump's corrupt though unfair might work karynnj May 2016 #6
Guilty, as charged, of conflating as a representative member of the voting population. JudyM May 2016 #10
Actually it does using the broad defintion of corruption. BillZBubb May 2016 #20
He has a nickname for her? nt vintx May 2016 #12
Yup nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #40
Yep, she's lied time and again on this and still her cultists see no problem. BillZBubb May 2016 #2
there has NEVER been a legitimate reason offered by HRC for the sneaky server... Yurovsky May 2016 #9
The getting stuff done and not waiting on glacially slow government IT, ... scscholar May 2016 #30
What was the exact lie? She didn't take the interview with State because of the FBI investigation. Jitter65 May 2016 #46
Either her supporters are not getting the "server" issue, or they'll support her no matter what. EndElectoral May 2016 #3
They will support her no matter what. Press Virginia May 2016 #7
Exactly. And it's quite sad, really. Herman4747 May 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #26
Thanks Dem2 May 2016 #4
Hillary has lied. Why can't you just admit it? There is no doubt on this issue. BillZBubb May 2016 #13
OK, she's lied many times Dem2 May 2016 #25
When tne IG report is called nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #41
It's easier to say we just hate Hillary mindwalker_i May 2016 #19
We? Dem2 May 2016 #22
"We needed you to remind us that you despise Hillary with every cell in your body. " mindwalker_i May 2016 #33
O/P obviously Dem2 May 2016 #34
"Attacks Hillary for ...." mindwalker_i May 2016 #35
Hey, some have an obsession with tearing our likely candidate apart Dem2 May 2016 #36
Man, that persecution complex would make a Christian blush! mindwalker_i May 2016 #38
Thanks Dem2 May 2016 #39
Ad-hominem... mindwalker_i May 2016 #45
"having given up all your cognitive capabilities" --- most obvious ad-hominem ever Dem2 May 2016 #47
"Obviously I'm right..." mindwalker_i May 2016 #48
With the exception or Trump white wingers and rabid Berners, most think it's BS. Hoyt May 2016 #5
Most, of course, being Hillary backers Press Virginia May 2016 #8
In which group do you place the IGs and the FBI? karynnj May 2016 #11
You mean like the editorial board of the WaPo? Those Trump/Bernie supporters? cali May 2016 #16
Sorry, missed it while reading Washington Post article on UAW endorsement of Clinton. Is this the Hoyt May 2016 #29
Well the IG does not determine illegality nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #43
The Washington Post editorial board doesn't think it's BS and that bjo59 May 2016 #42
And the State IG, the FBI, the DOJ, and two federal judges. lol. morningfog May 2016 #44
Hillary was pandering and everyone panders Fumesucker May 2016 #14
Lol berni_mccoy May 2016 #15
She lied her head off in the first press conference on this Jarqui May 2016 #17
Ooooooooohhhhh, Clinton left the cover page off the TPS report!! Jail her!!! lol@HDS uponit7771 May 2016 #18
Another bad day for the Hillary campaign. B Calm May 2016 #23
Ayup. Blatantly, too. Those attempting to spin this away should be ashamed-if she's the Nom we LOSE AzDar May 2016 #24
Kick Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #27
If it's Hillary it's not lying. She "made a mistake and regrets it." Vinca May 2016 #28
This is a stupid worn out stale topic The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #31
There is a reason why her likeability is so low. Sky Masterson May 2016 #32
Hillary madokie May 2016 #37

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
6. Your post suggests why Tump's corrupt though unfair might work
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

YOU conflated the OP noting several specific Clinton lies with the Trump meme. In fact, identifying lies does not prove CORRUPT.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
20. Actually it does using the broad defintion of corruption.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

The two attributes are venality OR dishonesty. Under that definition, Hillary is known to be corrupt. It is not possible to deny that if you are honest.

In the political sphere corruption usually refers to a more narrow range: bribery, nepotism, coercion, misappropriation, etc. Under this narrower range, corruption has yet to be shown, but the Clinton Foundation and Hillary's Wall Street millions offer ripe targets for speculation.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
2. Yep, she's lied time and again on this and still her cultists see no problem.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

The fact that she refused to fully cooperate with the Inspector General when she continually said she would should be enough to convince anyone that she dirty.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
9. there has NEVER been a legitimate reason offered by HRC for the sneaky server...
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

and Occam's Razor clearly applies here. She did it to keep her dealings out of the reach of the regulatory/compliance network of the Federal government, because age either knew they were illegal or she knew they would be politically damaging to her next run for POTUS.

And all of this comes from a candidate who is already identified by a majority of Americans as not trustworthy. Expecting the benefit of the doubt is just plain silly. Her reputation - and that of Bill Clinton - were earned over 40+ years of public political life. They need to quit blaming everyone else and take a look in the mirror. She has no one to blame but herself.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
46. What was the exact lie? She didn't take the interview with State because of the FBI investigation.
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

State was investigating potential lapses in security and violation of their internal rules..which are not laws. FBI investigation may involve something more serious so no attorney would advise her to go on record with another entity until the FBI is through with their investigation.

Response to Press Virginia (Reply #7)

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
25. OK, she's lied many times
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016

Shit, everybody does it from time to time.

Would you like a piece of cake now to celebrate?

(hint: it's about the MOTIVATION behind these propaganda posts that matters.)

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
19. It's easier to say we just hate Hillary
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

... rather than deal with the actual issue that she did something bad.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
33. "We needed you to remind us that you despise Hillary with every cell in your body. "
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:58 PM
May 2016

Who does "you" refer to? Also, you didn't exactly spell out who you were talking to, so one could take a reltively broad meaning if they so chose. Which I did.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
34. O/P obviously
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

Who the heck else would it refer to? It was a reply to the original post - someone who attacks Hillary for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And then evening tea and crumpets.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
35. "Attacks Hillary for ...."
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

Oh poor thing, she's being attacked at every meal of the day! What's that thing Hillary acolytes keep saying, "Politics ain't bean bag"? Are meals now sexist as well?

Back to the point, one can, and did, take it rather more broadly. Besides whichus BernieBros have to stick together and make sure no meals are missed.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
36. Hey, some have an obsession with tearing our likely candidate apart
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

All day, every day, celebrate it yes, but don't whine like a little baby when people point out that one is no longer a credible source of information. If someone is nastier than any Republican I work with, and they are on a supposedly Democrat-friendly site, it's fair to write them off as a hater.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
38. Man, that persecution complex would make a Christian blush!
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

But seriously, you aren't exactly a highly credible souce of information either, having given up all you cognitive capabilities to support your candidate regardless of the information about her.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
39. Thanks
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:11 PM
May 2016

So easy to use logic that seems to make an angry person feel it necessary to post an ad hominem.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
45. Ad-hominem...
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

adverb & adjective
adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem

1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

Origin


However, what I was replying to was this:


All day, every day, celebrate it yes, but don't whine like a little baby when people point out that one is no longer a credible source of information


So, in fact, I was replying directly to what you had said. Your characterization of my reply as "ad-hominem" is incorrect. If you had made some argument about Hillary or Bernie and then I had attacked you, "ad-hominem" would have been accurate. Actually, the OP was about Hillary and her e-mail and you attacked the poster as someone who "attacks Hillary for breakfast, lunch, and dinner," so your reply was ad-hominem.

It would really help if you actually understood the words you used and applied them correctly.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
47. "having given up all your cognitive capabilities" --- most obvious ad-hominem ever
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

Obviously I'm right and yet you argue - that's childish.

You seem to like to argue for the sake of arguing.

So, that's - buh-bye.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
11. In which group do you place the IGs and the FBI?
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

This whole thing makes me sick. This election cycle is the most desgusting of my life time. That is not easy as it had to beat 1968, which started with such promise.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. You mean like the editorial board of the WaPo? Those Trump/Bernie supporters?
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

Or most of the media?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. Sorry, missed it while reading Washington Post article on UAW endorsement of Clinton. Is this the
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:40 PM
May 2016

editorial you are referring to, the one that ends with: "While not illegal behavior, it was disturbingly unmindful of the rules."

Can't get excited by that, in a period when the rules were significantly changing, as long as nothing seriously top secret was compromised. Don't care about "could have beens" either. They "could have been" hacked on the Pentagon's system just as easily.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
43. Well the IG does not determine illegality
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

So they did not make that call. It is in the report introduction and everything

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
42. The Washington Post editorial board doesn't think it's BS and that
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

"paper of record" does not support Trump and has run many, many negative articles about Bernie Sanders. You are very wrong that only "Trump white wingers" and "rabid Berners" care about this. It's all about perception in the U.S. (as you know) and the corporate owned media is right now full of negative articles about Clinton's actions and statements with regard to that home server.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
14. Hillary was pandering and everyone panders
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

She pandered to us for our own good, to keep us from becoming discouraged and cynical.

And besides, when the Presumptive Nominee does it then it's not illegal. It's a lot like being President, many of the little rules and regulations don't need to be adhered to, you just play from the gut, fly by the seat of your pants, wing it so to speak.

After all, it's only tradition that keeps Obama from declaring half of Congress terrorists and having them whacked with drone strikes. He has the legal authority under the Patriot act to do what he determines necessary for the security of the nation. I think that's a bit extreme myself, simple decimation should get their attention fairly quickly and things could proceed with a strong sense of who has the upper hand.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
17. She lied her head off in the first press conference on this
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

Remember?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=clinton+lies+email

For example:
“The server contains personal communications from my husband and me.”
Hillary, March 10th, 2015

Fact: Bill Clinton has sent two emails in his life - both sent 16 or more years ago.



She's a pathological liar and the majority of Democrats don't care.
 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
24. Ayup. Blatantly, too. Those attempting to spin this away should be ashamed-if she's the Nom we LOSE
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
27. Kick
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:37 PM
May 2016

Hillary and her supporters refuse to see that her ship is taking in an alarming amount of water. Bandstand on the Titanic, indeed.



Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
32. There is a reason why her likeability is so low.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

And that according to Lawrence O'Donnell she has never reversed a polling trend once it started to sink.
I know some here love her, but its a big big gamble to run with her.
I haven't seen one shred of evidence that she can win in the General when everyone votes.
If nobody cares about either candidate they will stay home. Tune out.

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