2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHill Supporters: In case of recommendation of indictment by FBI, do you agree she should step aside?
If Trump/GOP is such a terrible threat, we can't possible nominate candidate who could be convicted of felony...
I'm surprised this question is not even raised in the main stream media.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)It is one thing to say its unlikely, but there is 0%> chance it does. Otherwise why would FBI be spending 12months investigating if there is nothing there?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)For every $1 you bet, you will earn 33cents. That is 33% return on your investment. You are so confident of no indictment, I would place money it.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)I think non indictment is more likely outcome. But this individual thinks its 0% likely. My gut and the betting markets seem to think its 33% chance of indictment.
geek tragedy
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Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)But actually you didn't.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)For example if there were wall-street transcripts that Bernie was hiding because it was too damaging, I would not think it was good idea of him to be running for president.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Taxes
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Apples and oranges
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Is at the same level as a candidate that knowingly broke security rules and may have compromised national security and lied constantly about it?
Ok
Ohioblue22
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berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)And, the media are smart enough to know there was no crime for which she could be indicted. That's why they haven't suggested it.
I'll sure be glad when you guys won't be able to post this delusional shit anymore. Soon ....
Duval
(4,280 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)they keep trying to push her down.. and she keeps bobbing back up.. after that 11 hours of testimony and the republican inquisition fell apart.. I knew then.. if she made it all the way .. she would be unstoppable.. she was not my first choice.. but she keeps bouncing back
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The FBI investigation is not an inquisition. There is prima facie evidence that Hillary committed a crime or crimes. If the FBI recommends indictment, she won't bounce back.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)indictment.. yes she screwed up.. but indictable.. then they will have to go back and indict Powell.. and Rice.. not seeing it
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)She put all of her personal and work email on a private server. Nobody had ever done that. She didn't have permission and had been warned about security, but did it anyway. In Powell's case everyone at State knew and was OK with what he was doing. It was when email was just starting to be popular and Powell was trying to get the Department to adopt the technology.
You won't read about an indictment until it happens. The FBI will not speak about the case until a determination is made. There are now too many grounds for indictment to simply dismiss this. Even the IG report, though it didn't address criminality, stated Hillary broke the law. The FBI knows that too.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)It's not the same situation at all.
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HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Rice and Powell weren't exchanging classified information with an uncleared aide the POTUS forbid them to hire. And most important, Rice and Powell weren't trying to duck FOIA filings that might expose a billions of dollars quid pro quo money-laundering operation.
okasha
(11,573 posts)at the thought of an FBI "reccommendation of indictment:"
The FBI doesn't do that. Grand Juries indict.
No wonder Sanders fans have such trouble getting themselves properly registered to vote. Learn the damn process!
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Of course only grand juries can indict.
My wording was that FBI at the end of its investigation, can take the case to the justice department for them to pursue legal avenues.
You avoided the question, if this happens (indictment), what are your thoughts on who should the dems run against Trump.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Where would the prosecutor come up with unbiased Grand Jurors? They'd have to draft a bunch of Trappist monks. Maybe a flock of penguins.
Ain't gonna happen.
But if Hillary had to drop out for any reason, her place would be taken by the person to whom she released her delegates, most likely Biden or Kerry. It wouldn't be Sanders.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Maybe you need a civics lesson?
If Hillary drops out before the nomination, Bernie Sanders will be the Democratic nominee. It won't matter who she wants it to be. If she is forced out after the nomination, the shit hits the fan and the Democratic nominee loses, no matter who it is.
okasha
(11,573 posts)I've worked for a prosecutor and served on a federal grand jury. It's hard enough to seat a petit jury when a well-known person is the defendant. Seating a larger impartial grand jury for a candidate for President would put most of the lawyers I know under their desks in the fetal position.
I find it a little--off-balance, shall we say?--that so many who claim to be Democrats are eager to see our best hope of defeating Trump in prison or fatally ill.
It would upset me considerably more if I thought they actually were Democrats.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)You just don't see it yet.
okasha
(11,573 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The FBI, working with a team of prosecutors from the Department of Justice conduct the investigation. The FBI and the prosecutors determine if sufficient evidence exist to warrant an indictment. Their findings go the Attorney General who will make the decision on whether to pursue an indictment.
What we are talking about is this: If the FBI and the prosecutors working with them recommend to the AG to pursue an indictment, Hillary is finished. Period.
If the DoJ prosecutors working with the FBI split from the FBI on the merits of an indictment, someone in the FBI will make that public. Then the DoJ will be accused of a cover up. And Hillary will be badly hurt. There will be a congressional investigation and it will get very messy.
So, yeah what the FBI does is the key here. Their findings are what matters. What the DoJ decides is secondary.
GreenPartyVoter
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MFM008
(19,814 posts)truedelphi
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pnwmom
(108,980 posts)it seems more and more unlikely. This is from May 25:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/watchdog-faults-hillary-clinton-email-practices-at-state-department-1464188308
There has been no indication a grand jury has heard evidence from anyone in the mattera necessary step before the consideration of an indictment.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)They have yet to interview the person of most interest.
When that happens, we will know which direction this will go.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)to bring before a Grand Jury.
And talking to Hillary is unlikely to change that.
(And a Grand Jury is part of the investigation process. It doesn't have to wait till all the interviews are over.)
kcjohn1
(751 posts)If you there are multiple players, and the person of target is A, you don't talk to A first, especially when A is high profiled politician with the best lawyers in the country.
You talk to everyone else first, and then with all the facts, you interview that person from position of strength as you may only get 1 chance with that individual. Here is how recent AP article described it.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)of the investigation -- before the "target" is interviewed.
But the FBI has never said that Hillary is a target. That was your word.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Not sure if FBI needed any as they have had access to all the material
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)That your only hope is not that the will of the people is heard but that your opponent faces misfortune.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)If people knew she had a good chance of being indicted, they may have had second thoughts about her electability.
The opponents misfortune has been brought on by her underhanded actions. Our misfortune is that the party's nominee will be under criminal indictment and lead to a disaster on election day. You are willing to take that risk. Many of us are not.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)The possibility exists, and we'll all have to deal with it if it does. But putting the question that way to Hillary Clinton supporters is just a provocation to piss people off.
6chars
(3,967 posts)would that please you? what if she steps aside and says "In consultation with the DNC, I have decided that my good friend Debbie Wasserman Shultz will step in and continue this campaign."
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HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Are you trying to drum up business for them?
themonster
(137 posts)I voted for Hillary in the primary and will vote for her in the Presidential election. I think the chances of the FBI recommending an indictment is very unlikely. If they did, then Hillary should step aside.
BootinUp
(47,158 posts)harm. You are dreaming if you think that might happen at this point.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)'expert' posters conflate gross negligence (the standard to be met) with orginary negligence, not understanding the difference between the two. All those prongs have to be met and they won't be.