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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:47 PM May 2016

State Dept. official: Clinton could not access State network without email account

State Department officials took pains to accommodate Hillary Clinton’s email practices as secretary, according to newly released testimony by a career agency official.

Clinton was offered a “stand-alone” computer near her office that would let her access the Internet without entering a password or logging into the department’s network as other employees are required to do, the official said.

The official, Lewis A. Lukens, executive director of Clinton’s executive secretariat from 2008 to 2011, said he was told the proposal was declined because Clinton was “not adept or not used to checking her emails on a desktop.” However, Lukens said, Clinton was “very comfortable” using a BlackBerry — even though she would have to leave her office to use the device due to security protocols.


Lukens’s testimony on May 18 came in the first of six depositions scheduled until late June of current and former State Department and top Clinton aides in a civil lawsuit probing whether Clinton’s exclusive use of a private email server while secretary from 2009 to 2013 thwarted federal open-records laws.

The Lukens transcript was released Thursday, one day after State Department Inspector General Steve A. Linick issued a highly critical, 83-page report on Clinton’s email practices. The report concluded that Clinton failed to seek legal approval for the server arrangement and that, if she had, it would not have been granted because of security risks.

Clinton allies had braced for the IG report and findings from a pending FBI investigation into whether the email setup mishandled classified information or violated other federal laws.

However, the ongoing depositions appear likely to keep a spotlight on the matter that Clinton has tried to put to rest in her presidential campaign.
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On Friday, Clinton’s former chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, is to give sworn testimony in the lawsuit brought by the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch. The lawsuit concerns the group’s 2013 public records request for information about the employment arrangement of Mills’s deputy, Huma Abedin.

In a statement Thursday, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) said that IG report “makes clear that Secretary Clinton and a number of other former Department officials have not been truthful with the American people” and failed to turn over certain emails from personal email accounts.

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In his testimony, Lukens, a Foreign Service officer for 27 years who oversaw 110 employees providing administrative support to the secretary, said he never recalled speaking about Clinton’s email address or use of a personal BlackBerry with a direct subordinate, John Bentel, in charge of the secretariat’s electronic communications.

Lukens said Mills did not ask for Clinton to have a computer in her office, and that he did not believe a State email account was set up for Clinton because she did not ask for one.


“At that point, as far as I knew, there was no requirement for her to be connected to our system,” Lukens said.


Lukens did not think it unusual because, he said, “I’m not aware of former secretaries of state having email addresses on our system.”

In its report, the inspector general’s office noted that “long-standing systemic weaknesses” in department handling of electronic records that spanned several secretaries, and noted that Colin Powell when secretary used a personal email account for official business.

Lukens said he assumed Clinton used a commercial email service and did not know of her private server until it was reported last year. He proposed a “stand-alone” computer for Clinton to access the Internet to check her emails because mobile phones are not allowed in the secretary’s office suite.

Lukens initially said he wanted to make it easier for Clinton to bypass the department’s computer network so she could log on with fewer passwords, before acknowledging that Clinton could not access the system without a department email account.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/state-dept-official-clinton-could-not-access-state-network-without-email-account/2016/05/26/0926c552-236c-11e6-9e7f-57890b612299_story.html

The transcripts are available for download if you search.

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State Dept. official: Clinton could not access State network without email account (Original Post) NWCorona May 2016 OP
oh, good lord. "“not adept or not used to checking her emails on a desktop.”" antigop May 2016 #1
Right? NWCorona May 2016 #2
exactly. Is he calling her a Luddite? nt antigop May 2016 #3
I'm reading the testimony now and it seems like she's not tech savvy to say the least NWCorona May 2016 #6
For what it's worth, madamesilverspurs May 2016 #4
I get that but still... At least you learned. NWCorona May 2016 #7
Chelsea too busy to tutor her? reddread May 2016 #8
This is again, daming nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #5
Very! NWCorona May 2016 #9
In 2009, Hillary Clinton did not know how to access email on a computer Arazi May 2016 #10
That does not shock me for somebody her age nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #11
She wasn't that old and is/was a polished professional Arazi May 2016 #12
The fact that she did not nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #13
I think this is BS mindwalker_i May 2016 #17
Whether she could or not is immaterial nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #18
My parents are older than her and using Linux mindwalker_i May 2016 #19
As I said, I taught my mom nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #20
Yet she can text and check her email on a cell phone? Autumn May 2016 #28
Yup. Its such an obvious lie its crazy eom Arazi May 2016 #31
My grandfather just turned 90. He uses email frequently. HerbChestnut May 2016 #15
Exactly nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #16
No there isn't. smiley May 2016 #24
I'm 74 and I know how to use a computer. I still need my jwirr May 2016 #22
Nor do you have an IT department from hell nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #25
Yeah, I was under the impression the Al Gore fixed all that jwirr May 2016 #29
Well some of our gear really is, and I mean this IS ANCIENT nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #32
My 87 year old mother and father do this all the time - and neither had a technical background karynnj May 2016 #33
As I said, this is truly imaterial nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #34
she could on a phone which is harder than opening your email account on a computer. Someone roguevalley May 2016 #35
I find the phone easier nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36
In another email she asked Huma to send in an aide to show her how NWCorona May 2016 #14
The press is making an effort to spell out all the details? Babel_17 May 2016 #21
I think a lot people are finding the humor in the media's attention. NWCorona May 2016 #23
Like now it's OK to talk about the nuts and bolts of it Babel_17 May 2016 #27
"...Clinton was “not adept or not used to checking her emails on a desktop.” pangaia May 2016 #26
"Declaration of War: The Short Form" Babel_17 May 2016 #30
So lemme get this straight.... cliffordu May 2016 #37

antigop

(12,778 posts)
1. oh, good lord. "“not adept or not used to checking her emails on a desktop.”"
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

How difficult is that to do?

Really?

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
4. For what it's worth,
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

I wasn't "adept" until someone taught me how. And I have yet to learn how to do email from my phone. It's going to take some hands-on instruction from someone who has the time.

Clinton probably had more pressing demands on her time when she went to State.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
9. Very!
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

When he talks openly about setting up a stand alone Internet connection outside of the one used at the State Dept. That will be bad. There was no reason too

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
10. In 2009, Hillary Clinton did not know how to access email on a computer
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

Let that sink in for a moment

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. That does not shock me for somebody her age
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

but my mom is older and she does know, after we sat down and set it up for her and walked her though it. Now I get email chain emails... downside

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
12. She wasn't that old and is/was a polished professional
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

It's pretty embarrassing actually

Plus it doesn't take long to learn even if we buy into Hillary’s story that she couldn't use a secure computer because she didn't know how.

It's another lie by Clinton that I'm sure she never thought would be exposed imho

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. The fact that she did not
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

does not detract that

A.- She could be taught

and

B.- She had to take that secret briefing on cyber security..

I bet it was far more intense than my admonition about virus checkers and all that.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
17. I think this is BS
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

It's kind of a red herring - to distract from the issue that she had a separate server set up for reasons that I think we've only speculated on so far. I don't believe she couldn't use a computer.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. Whether she could or not is immaterial
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:35 PM
May 2016

but assuming she did not, she could be taught in about an hour

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
19. My parents are older than her and using Linux
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

She can frigging learn and not put national security information at risk. I believe she already knows how to use a computer but had other reasons for having a separate server.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
20. As I said, I taught my mom
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

The report is clear on this... and it is damning. As I said, this is the kind of stuff lawyers throw out there (she is one) and good prosecutors take the same attitude I just did. This is immaterial to the discussion.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
15. My grandfather just turned 90. He uses email frequently.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:27 PM
May 2016

It's not hard, and if you're the Secretary of State I would hope there's somebody around who's knowledgeable enough about computers to teach you how to check your email.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
16. Exactly
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

the I did not know how to, ok I get it, but the you could have been taught, and had to anyway, due to the mandatory brief

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
22. I'm 74 and I know how to use a computer. I still need my
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:58 PM
May 2016

daughters to help with some really technical issues like down loading but then I am not employed as the SOS or running for President.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
29. Yeah, I was under the impression the Al Gore fixed all that
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:14 PM
May 2016

mess. Wasn't he supposed to be upgrading the WH system.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
32. Well some of our gear really is, and I mean this IS ANCIENT
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

there are reasons for that which go beyond the speed of the processor

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
33. My 87 year old mother and father do this all the time - and neither had a technical background
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

This is not hard at all and she is a smart woman. It sounds like someone who has aides "to do that" for so long that she was simply too proud to let anyone walk her through how to do it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. As I said, this is truly imaterial
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:24 PM
May 2016

but she could have gotten trained in an hour. It took me that long to teach my mother.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
35. she could on a phone which is harder than opening your email account on a computer. Someone
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:09 AM
May 2016

is not telling the truth.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
36. I find the phone easier
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:11 AM
May 2016

But at the end of the day...of all tne things that one a good prosecutor will throw away. A good defense attorney might use it is low in the list of issues

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
14. In another email she asked Huma to send in an aide to show her how
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

To turn up the volume on her phone.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
21. The press is making an effort to spell out all the details?
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:52 PM
May 2016

That's pretty interesting, imo. It can be ignored, but it's hard to spin.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
23. I think a lot people are finding the humor in the media's attention.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

Almost every one of them are acting like it's a new thing or something.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
27. Like now it's OK to talk about the nuts and bolts of it
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

Or now they have to do the prologue, because the main feature is about to start.

Server Wars: Episode One

P.S. Lol, I just googled that by mistake (was thinking of Star Wars) and I had to laugh at what came up. "It's a period of poor IT security ..."

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
26. "...Clinton was “not adept or not used to checking her emails on a desktop.”
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:10 PM
May 2016

WHAT?? Arte you kidding me?

The woman who want to be the president of the US of A doesn't know how to check email on a .........DESKTOP??????





cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
37. So lemme get this straight....
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:31 AM
May 2016

She wasn't adept at using email, but had the wherewithal to order a separate email server to be set up....?

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