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Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:48 PM May 2016

Bernie wants to throw Barney Frank and Dannel Malloy out of convention platform.

He must not know that the convention is not suppose to favor in the direction of the loser. Does he not know that the winner has ALL the say about what goes on at the convention?

Bernie acts like he never followed a presidential election in his life.

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Bernie wants to throw Barney Frank and Dannel Malloy out of convention platform. (Original Post) Tavarious Jackson May 2016 OP
It would be a good start. CentralMass May 2016 #1
Bernie does not get to make these demands. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #4
He gets to demand whatever he wants. You guys have accepted Ed Suspicious May 2016 #33
And look where it got us Demsrule86 May 2016 #71
Yes, anyone can demand anything. NO, Hortensis May 2016 #124
OMG, a perfect description.... Sheepshank May 2016 #212
Sanders is going to look silly asking super delegates to flip after this stunt Gothmog May 2016 #201
You don't get to make unilateral declarations. You're merely 1 of millions of participants. Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #126
You are wrong. "The winner" doesn't have final say on what goes on at the Convention. These people leveymg May 2016 #150
Sanders is sad and petty person who is not suited to be POTUS Gothmog May 2016 #166
Umhm. Far too rigid in his thinking to be able to Hortensis May 2016 #195
I guess having a strong gun control advocate would be embarassing... brooklynite May 2016 #2
This is shameful. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #8
Sanders is all about grudges and grievances. geek tragedy May 2016 #15
Right. It's Bernie who maintains an enemies list. frylock May 2016 #50
Bernie is now the enemy Demsrule86 May 2016 #76
Really? Is that the story you are going with? Gore1FL May 2016 #123
It is a true story Demsrule86 May 2016 #125
Democracy is messy. Gore1FL May 2016 #128
Blackmail of the DNC by a spiteful losing candidate is not democracy Demsrule86 May 2016 #136
You need a dictionary to look up blackmail. Gore1FL May 2016 #168
Jury results. edbermac May 2016 #199
Thanks. Gore1FL May 2016 #224
Yes he does Gothmog May 2016 #169
I didn't agree to shit. frylock May 2016 #213
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #56
You would be wrong Demsrule86 May 2016 #75
and whining and bullying DrDan May 2016 #113
Those could well be part of it, but his rigid conviction Hortensis May 2016 #196
The resentments of at least 40 percent of primary voters against.... Armstead May 2016 #142
And people who hurt his fee-fees back in 1991, in the case of Barney Frank. nt geek tragedy May 2016 #146
Barney Frank is an abrasive jerk -- Always has been personally offensive to many Armstead May 2016 #151
But West is OK with you Demsrule86 May 2016 #156
What does trying to boot Frank and Malloy accomplish? geek tragedy May 2016 #162
More like why should lobbyists write the platform. hobbit709 May 2016 #69
Why should a Fox groupie like West Demsrule86 May 2016 #138
The only loser at the start of the convention k8conant May 2016 #3
So would you still actually want this man for Hortensis May 2016 #203
I want Bernie for President k8conant May 2016 #214
Okay. Well, imo that likely Hortensis May 2016 #216
Bernie's true colors and ego are showing. hrmjustin May 2016 #5
Theres nothing wrong with Bernie exercising his right to challenge a stacked rules making committee DJ13 May 2016 #6
The winner runs the convention. Clinton's campaign will make every relevant decision. geek tragedy May 2016 #11
It's The Clinton's Party -- Everyone else is just a guest in their fiefdom, eh? Armstead May 2016 #153
Is this the first convention to which you've paid attention? geek tragedy May 2016 #161
You are wrong. "The winner" doesn't have final say on what goes on at the Convention. See #150 leveymg May 2016 #154
He has no rights to this Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #18
This won't be a contentious convention ... SFnomad May 2016 #32
This guy has not a clue. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #34
once Hillary realizes that Bernie is going to caused big trouble Demsrule86 May 2016 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #114
At this point Demsrule86 May 2016 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #119
She has won the nomination Demsrule86 May 2016 #127
Maybe if you say it in all caps you'll start believing this bullshit. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #176
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #242
And I am pretty sick of the blackmail Demsrule86 May 2016 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #233
lol, you don't know what you talking about. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #37
What concessions did Hillary demand in 2008? Arkansas Granny May 2016 #174
NO. I would expect her to work very competently Hortensis May 2016 #205
Sanders campaign sure likes to complain and make demands. nt geek tragedy May 2016 #7
What the heck? Peacetrain May 2016 #9
Yep. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #13
Seriously, Bernie needs to be checked out mentally. He seems to be unravelling and becoming Jitter65 May 2016 #10
I noticed that too Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #22
I agree. LisaM May 2016 #190
It's not in his ability to "destroy" the Democratic Party. Hortensis May 2016 #207
Dear DNC. May I please, on your behalf, pen a response to Bernie's counsel? Tarc May 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #16
We expected a mature adult when he joined the Party. Not a whiny angry man who riversedge May 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #46
It's fun watching Sanders devotees twist themselves redstateblues May 2016 #191
Do you expect to be taken seriously? Bohunk68 May 2016 #206
I'm just amazed that so many BSS redstateblues May 2016 #243
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #235
No we did not expect Demsrule86 May 2016 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #234
Good bye Sanders. LiberalFighter May 2016 #17
11 more days of this. Then Clinton is the presumptive nominee geek tragedy May 2016 #21
Thats why I am so shocked he is doing this. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #23
This is who he is. It will be truly shocking if he handles defeat geek tragedy May 2016 #31
Now he's just trying to pick fights KingFlorez May 2016 #19
Holy Crap.... Grassy Knoll May 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author wendylaroux May 2016 #24
Yeah, the BS cheerleaders have been flogging that dead horse for months SFnomad May 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author wendylaroux May 2016 #36
yeah yeah, Many Sanders fans will work in conjunction with the RW to keep it alive. We know. riversedge May 2016 #41
I'd rather just let the FBI do it. Fawke Em May 2016 #59
He just had a "get off my lawn" moment... NCTraveler May 2016 #25
You win the Internets today! nt msanthrope May 2016 #137
Sanders has a grievance with 90% of the current congress critters Fresh_Start May 2016 #26
Yes. Crazy isn't it? Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #29
Bernie has repeatedly disgraced himself in this campaign. Renew Deal May 2016 #27
Several times a day Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #30
lol nt BootinUp May 2016 #43
REPEATEDLY. Just when you think he's done he pulls something else out of his...hat. Number23 May 2016 #62
. ucrdem May 2016 #111
Because its all about HIM MFM008 May 2016 #28
It's disturning isn't it? Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #45
Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders have long disliked each other. madaboutharry May 2016 #38
We don't do well in politcs if we hold grudges. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #39
Barnie Frank is a lobbyist. JRLeft May 2016 #60
And? joshcryer May 2016 #88
For the Gawd Damn banking industry. Don't you see a conflict of interest? JRLeft May 2016 #170
Frank has already expressed a willingness to step down geek tragedy May 2016 #40
Bernie says it's rigged Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #44
Fortunately the nomination is not uncertain mythology May 2016 #48
No need Frank, HRC got this Iliyah May 2016 #51
"Supposed." SMC22307 May 2016 #47
Dang. I'm sure that Bankster Barney has some wonderful ideas. frylock May 2016 #49
Give'm hell Bernie. azmom May 2016 #52
Barney Frank thoughts on Sanders in 1991 Thenewire May 2016 #53
Excellent find! grossproffit May 2016 #55
Wow! oasis May 2016 #58
Oh, wow, talk about being consistent. That atttitude is such a turn-off lunamagica May 2016 #61
Just the opposite. I guess where you stand depends on where you sit. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #178
Can you post a link please? That is one HELL of a find Number23 May 2016 #63
Newspaper article: joshcryer May 2016 #86
That is a gem Renew Deal May 2016 #167
I repeat... that is one HELL of a find. And is a brilliant synopsis for all of the back biting we've Number23 May 2016 #240
Funny. Barney was right on Renew Deal May 2016 #165
Boy, that's from a devastating AP article in a Hortensis May 2016 #194
Damn. He's been emotional like this for 25+ years? lib87 May 2016 #215
But Cornel West is ok. barrow-wight May 2016 #54
The campaign is behaving erratic lately Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #65
Erratic? barrow-wight May 2016 #66
I am amazed at the behavior Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #67
Bernie does seem sort of unhinged Demsrule86 May 2016 #115
I didn't see it on video. I read it here. And yeah ... not very presidential. barrow-wight May 2016 #219
You should ask for a raise with brilliant analysis like this. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #179
West was a horrible choice by Sanders Gothmog May 2016 #198
That's putting it mildly. ;) barrow-wight May 2016 #220
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #57
Bernie's kamikaze descent continues. Alfresco May 2016 #64
REC and thanks for posting the letter. riversedge May 2016 #68
This indicates that Bernie Sanders intends to disrupt and ruin the convention Demsrule86 May 2016 #70
Yes. One vote and escortted out Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #73
Out he goes Demsrule86 May 2016 #82
Yes. We really don't want his support now. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #87
Very true Demsrule86 May 2016 #103
We do know from recent events at the Nevada convention, the DNC is trying to paint B Calm May 2016 #77
No. There is a lot of evidence. Not just one incident but many Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #89
Then provide us with a real working link to this letter. B Calm May 2016 #91
There is a lot of things he has been doing. Even involved in the alleged bank fraud. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #93
Now was it that hard? B Calm May 2016 #97
Come to our side and support Hillary. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #99
You get paid to do that? B Calm May 2016 #101
No I don't Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #102
Unpaid internship? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #181
His lawyers sent the Damn letter. Demsrule86 May 2016 #90
Also, he has scandal coming from his super pac Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #100
Good we need this person Demsrule86 May 2016 #129
I don't think we can if he does. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #185
Bernie is in the pocket of Big Nurse. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #184
No, Nevada was Bernie supporters acting like Trump supporters geek tragedy May 2016 #147
If he was escorted out Turin_C3PO May 2016 #208
This message was self-deleted by its author B Calm May 2016 #72
I got it from Rachel Maddow blog Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #74
Why can't you add a link? B Calm May 2016 #79
The picture posts when I try... I'll try again Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #81
Page Not Found B Calm May 2016 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 May 2016 #107
http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/sandersletter_160527.jpg Demsrule86 May 2016 #108
Maddow had the letter Demsrule86 May 2016 #92
Then can you provide us with a real working link as proof from where this B Calm May 2016 #95
Here you go Demsrule86 May 2016 #104
http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/sandersletter_160527.jpg Demsrule86 May 2016 #105
Maddow discussed it on her show last night. Raine1967 May 2016 #163
This letter was discussed on the Maddow show last night Gothmog May 2016 #172
Looks like he's trying to get bounced from his first convention. ucrdem May 2016 #80
In 68 Demsrule86 May 2016 #106
Yep. ucrdem May 2016 #110
Kucinich was an honorable guy Demsrule86 May 2016 #112
Exactly. Never in a million years would he have pulled any of this. ucrdem May 2016 #121
Kucinich cared about people Demsrule86 May 2016 #130
Results of the alert on this: sufrommich May 2016 #83
Thank you! I guess google is broken Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #96
Alerted? Demsrule86 May 2016 #109
His whole campaign has now boiled down to petty rage sufrommich May 2016 #85
It's hard to respect the disgrace. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #98
Welcome to DU!! Jack Bone May 2016 #200
Petty man-baby tears. Starry Messenger May 2016 #94
"Dear MLB, couldn't help noticing the umpires are wearing the other team's caps." Jester Messiah May 2016 #118
there is no need of 'umpires' Demsrule86 May 2016 #120
And take all of his supporters with him! Fuddnik May 2016 #131
Well it is clear that Bernie won't help in the GE Demsrule86 May 2016 #132
Most of his supporters will be there to oppose Donald Trump. nt geek tragedy May 2016 #149
how could he get ANYTHING done as president with his alienation of party leaders? DrDan May 2016 #122
Oh, it is clear he is trying to Demsrule86 May 2016 #133
So do I. Autumn May 2016 #134
Wake up SmittynMo May 2016 #135
Poll numbers are not votes Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #140
she will win the GE Demsrule86 May 2016 #143
There is no "important thing" SmittynMo May 2016 #152
He has the right to walk away from a losing campaign with what little dignity Demsrule86 May 2016 #158
Oh, those are such good reasons to drop out SmittynMo May 2016 #175
Bernie sued Califorinia Demsrule86 May 2016 #244
Do you know anything about what happened Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #239
Are you trying to convince other or convince yourself? n/t Matt_R May 2016 #237
She won, he lost, votes matter even when your side loses. nt geek tragedy May 2016 #148
Sanders is unvetted and so no one is buying the silly polls being cited Gothmog May 2016 #222
Well you better get on it... Matt_R May 2016 #238
Good (nt) bigwillq May 2016 #139
Good, glad to see it. -nt- NorthCarolina May 2016 #144
Geez Louise treestar May 2016 #145
Yes the huge percentage who supported him do not deserve to have any voice in Clinton Inc. Armstead May 2016 #155
A voice is one thing but this is extreme treestar May 2016 #157
And how disrespectful is it to Pres. Obama Demsrule86 May 2016 #159
And if Camp Clinton wants to challenge that they have every right to Armstead May 2016 #160
True. As if President Obama is not the Democrat, and Bernie is! treestar May 2016 #192
This letter is so petty and unprofessional Gothmog May 2016 #164
It sounds sort of second-grade level. "He said this to me! Make him stop!" randome May 2016 #173
There are no real grounds to disqualify Franks or Malloy other than they hurt Sanders feelings Gothmog May 2016 #186
Here is an article from the Connecticut Post: Raine1967 May 2016 #171
Lobbyists and Corporate Whores should have no voice in this process Ferd Berfel May 2016 #177
Neither should Fox whores like West Demsrule86 May 2016 #225
This is ridiculous. LisaM May 2016 #180
he comes to this process bitter and uncooperative bigtree May 2016 #182
Sanders is nucking futs to try to make these demands. apcalc May 2016 #183
fuck tha lobbyists. nt lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #187
Bernie has revealed that some issues aren't really that important BootinUp May 2016 #188
This is the mark of someone who is trying to swim in the system we wiggs May 2016 #189
Uff da! This is a sad bit of business, indeed. MineralMan May 2016 #193
It is a nice to see Bernie and the bros attacking male democrats for a change... Henhouse May 2016 #197
Sanders doesn't get to kick our Democrats to the curb. Fuck that arrogance. seabeyond May 2016 #202
We've got a puppet in the house. Buddyblazon May 2016 #204
This is all true, so that is all you have to say? Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #210
I would like to see Hillary's emails to DWS. B Calm May 2016 #209
Some of your statements remind me of the rise of the Third Reich and other fascist regimes that were bobthedrummer May 2016 #211
Member since: Mon May 16, 2016, 10:02 PM chascarrillo May 2016 #217
Thanks for posting the letter. Bernie made some really good and valid points. imagine2015 May 2016 #218
The DNC disagreed Gothmog May 2016 #232
So you think a Wall Street representative should write the platform. Barney is a big time banker now imagine2015 May 2016 #246
Sanders fails to oust Clinton backers from convention roles Gothmog May 2016 #221
Good! Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #223
take that you little complainer! riversedge May 2016 #228
This was a petty and stupid stunt Gothmog May 2016 #231
Glad to hear that his juvenile and imbecilic "challenge" was as rejected by Democrats as he was. Number23 May 2016 #241
Sanders sense of entitlement lost again beachbumbob May 2016 #226
The DNC just told Bernie to take a hike. Franks and the Gov will remain as Chairs........... riversedge May 2016 #227
Great news! Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #229
I love Frank's response to this silliness Gothmog May 2016 #230
Ok. nt silvershadow May 2016 #236
I love these comments from Frank Gothmog May 2016 #245
Don't mess with Barney Frank.. Peacetrain May 2016 #247

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
33. He gets to demand whatever he wants. You guys have accepted
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

negotiating tactics that have the Democrat's opening bid start out as a Republican concession. This is how it's supposed to work. Take note. You might not get to see it again for quite some time if your dream candidate comes true.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
71. And look where it got us
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:21 AM
May 2016

Time to stop the negotiations and kick out Fox groupie West while you are at it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
124. Yes, anyone can demand anything. NO,
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:00 AM
May 2016

Last edited Sat May 28, 2016, 11:19 AM - Edit history (1)

it is NOT how it is supposed to work. The Democratic Party is supposed to be made up of people who come together to work together toward common goals. Not a party + 1 left-wing independent who's infiltrated in order to attack it from inside.

Ed, I don't care how worthy his goals may seem, there ARE other ways, especially for a man in his position. He is now a party leader. He could proceed as a party leader, instead of the leader of an insurgent fifth column, but he is choosing the latter.

So be it. There is something wrong with Bernie, and it is that hostile dysfunctional extremist strain that doesn't allow working with others that I've been watching for months. That basic dysfunction is why people like him don't lead parties, for very long, and why parties made up of people like that don't thrive, and usually break up.

And I suspect something else. He may just have a lot of negative feelings stored up after keeping his extremely cushy salary and exalted position by voting with the leading left-wing party over 96% of the time for a quarter century. What's principled about doing that all the while calling them corrupt, after all?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
212. OMG, a perfect description....
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

.....and a succinct explanation for why Bernie hasnt been able to build a significant peer coalition in 25 years.

There is something wrong with Bernie, and it is that hostile dysfunctional extremist strain that doesn't allow working with others that I've been watching for months. That basic dysfunction is why people like him don't lead parties, for very long, and why parties made up of people like that don't thrive, and usually break up.

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
201. Sanders is going to look silly asking super delegates to flip after this stunt
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

Franks and Malloy are both very popular in the party and are friends with many of the super delegates. This silly stunt is going to really come back and hurt Sanders when he asks super delegates to vote for him. Malloy is a super delegate. Heck one of the super delegates I know was at Barney Franks' wedding. It will be amusing to see a bernie bro ask that super delegate to support Sanders

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
150. You are wrong. "The winner" doesn't have final say on what goes on at the Convention. These people
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:41 AM
May 2016

run the show, start to finish:

DNC Leadership

President of the United States Barack Obama Illinois
Vice President of the United States Joe Biden Delaware
Chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz Florida
Democratic Congressional Committee Chairman Congressman Ben Ray Lujan New Mexico

447 Members of the DNC

...includes 75 at-large members who are nominated by the Chairman and approved by the full DNC.

Executive Committee

64 members; oversees affairs of the party in between meetings of the full committee and meets four times a year.

Standing Committees

Rules and Bylaws - Co-chairs: Jim Roosevelt (MA) and Lorraine Miller (TX)

Credentials - Co-chairs: Karen Carter Peterson (LA) and Andrés W. López (PR)

Resolutions - Co-Chairs: Jim Zogby (DC) and Hilda Solis (CA)

BYLAWS
Adopted Pursuant to the Charter of the Democratic Party of the United States
ARTICLE ONE
Democratic National Convention
Section 1. The National Convention is the highest authority of the Democratic Party. subject to the
provisions of the Charter.
Section 2. The National Convention shall adopt permanent rules governing the conduct of its
business at the beginning of each Convention, and until the adoption of such permanent rules, the
Convention and the activities attendant thereto shall be governed by temporary rule
s set forth in the Call to
the National Convention.


Bottom-line: whomsoever controls the Rules Committee at the Convention, runs the show.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
195. Umhm. Far too rigid in his thinking to be able to
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

understand why others might choose to do something other than what he wants.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
8. This is shameful.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

In politics you can not hold grudges.. People debate, disagree, and compromise to get things done. Bernie is holding part grudges.. no wonder he alienated his colleagues

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
76. Bernie is now the enemy
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:29 AM
May 2016

He is on Trump's team...who does he hurt (Democrats) and who does he help (Trump).

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
123. Really? Is that the story you are going with?
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:58 AM
May 2016

There was a time when the posters of this board didn't come to vomit idiotic and uninformed smears like this one of yours.

I miss those days.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
125. It is a true story
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:00 AM
May 2016

Only someone who really wanted to hurt Dems would threaten to shut down the convention...it helps Trump ...so it is true...as for posting on this site...please...the BSSER's post have been dreadful.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
136. Blackmail of the DNC by a spiteful losing candidate is not democracy
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:18 AM
May 2016

He shows his totalitarian leanings...

edbermac

(15,941 posts)
199. Jury results.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:44 AM
May 2016

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224. Thanks.
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May 2016

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Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
75. You would be wrong
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:28 AM
May 2016

And clearly he still thinks he will gain the nomination at the convention; it would be Nevada all over again...we don't need this crap from Bernie Sanders who is a big loser in all measures of the campaign... and is using the convention to settle grudges ...he can not be allowed to do so. Time to cut our Bernie losses...he will do nothing to help, honestly, this shows we would be better of without him. Bernie has shown that he is despicable and why he is disliked in the Senate.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
196. Those could well be part of it, but his rigid conviction
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:42 AM
May 2016

of decades, never swayed, that there is no such thing as valid disagreement with him, that colleagues who disagree with him do so for crooked reasons, has to be part of a bizarre righteousness that probably stands on its own, unbroken by self awareness, much less insight into others.

Apparently he really never was more than a dysfunctional little gadfly buzzing mostly unknown around the big leagues for a couple decades, until now in this weird election season. Sad, and of course inevitably irritating.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
142. The resentments of at least 40 percent of primary voters against....
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:25 AM
May 2016

those who deserve to be resented -- Immoral Corporations, Wall St. Banksters and the Elites who control them.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
151. Barney Frank is an abrasive jerk -- Always has been personally offensive to many
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:42 AM
May 2016

When he was in Congress, even when i agreed with Frank, he made my skin crawl.

Bernie can be an abrasive jerk sometimes too.

So it's not unusual for two abrasive personalities to butt heads.

The point is that in in this primary, Frank has gone out of his way to be insulting to Sanders and his supporters in an especially personal and vitriolic way. I've seen him on interviews and he verged on the irrational in his behavior.

I totally agree that he is not an appropriate person to have on the platform group.

To be fair, I also don't like the fact that Bernie put Cornell West on there either....But the Clinton campaign is free to challenge him too.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
162. What does trying to boot Frank and Malloy accomplish?
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016

Scalp-hunting is about egos, not greater causes.

I'm sure it chafes Sanders to see Frank in that position. But, really, so what?

There's a much stronger case for dumping DWS, who has shown she's simply not up to the job and has done questionable things in office.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
138. Why should a Fox groupie like West
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

write the platform? He called Obama the "N" word and is not a Democrat.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
203. So would you still actually want this man for
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

president, or are you hoping he'll shake things up enough to cause some improvements before settling back into the Senate?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
216. Okay. Well, imo that likely
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

makes you one of the good ones. Surprisingly few of his followers are turning out to be genuinely motivated by his issues, but some are.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
5. Bernie's true colors and ego are showing.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:55 PM
May 2016

Malloy has the guts to stand against the NRA, Sanders doesn't.

And it is just pure vengeance for Frank.

No Sanders is not the Saint his followers proclaim him to be.
I
His ego is huge and now power hungry.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
6. Theres nothing wrong with Bernie exercising his right to challenge a stacked rules making committee
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

Would the Hillary supporters expect Hillary to roll over and just accept committees that were filled with pro Bernie people?

No, you would expect her to fight.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. The winner runs the convention. Clinton's campaign will make every relevant decision.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

Around June 8 the DNC will become an extension of the Clinton campaign and everyone at the DNC will report to Robbie Mook.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
153. It's The Clinton's Party -- Everyone else is just a guest in their fiefdom, eh?
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:45 AM
May 2016

Great attitude, and guaranteed to win over voters

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
161. Is this the first convention to which you've paid attention?
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:01 AM
May 2016

The nominee runs the convention. Obama ran the convention in 2008, Kerry ran it in 2004, Gore ran it in 2000, and Clinton ran it in 1992.

The purpose of the convention is to promote the nominee, not to soothe the hurt feelings of the candidate who lost.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
12. He has no rights to this
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016

Convention is suppose to be 100% decision of the person with most delegates.

Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #12)

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
32. This won't be a contentious convention ...
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

Secretary Clinton will have the majority of pledged delegates
Secretary Clinton has the majority of Superdelegates

If BS's ego forces it to go this far, Secretary Clinton will win the nomination on the first ballot.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
78. once Hillary realizes that Bernie is going to caused big trouble
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:32 AM
May 2016

hopefully, one vote; his delegates vote for him (some) the rest vote for Hillary...then security escorts him to the sidewalk outside the convention...Dems decide who goes to a convention. Bernie might as well head over to the GOP convention...where Trump is ...he is helping Trump.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #78)

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
116. At this point
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:32 AM
May 2016

Bernie is clearly going to to what he can to elect Trump...thus toss him out...you want president Trump...do it...cut off your nose to spite your face...I say Bernie Sander is not worth the trouble.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #116)

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
127. She has won the nomination
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016

And Sanders lost..sure vote in the few races left but at the end she wins and he loses...his continued grudge match hurts our efforts in the general...which places him squarely on Trumps team...and of course the so-called Trump-Bernie debate clearly showed who's side he is on.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
176. Maybe if you say it in all caps you'll start believing this bullshit.
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

You keep repeating it seemingly hoping to convince yourself. You still sound like you don't really buy it.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #127)

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #117)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
205. NO. I would expect her to work very competently
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:03 PM
May 2016

with them to effect the changes she promised me to deliver. That's how effective legislators get support for and pass legislation.

Bernie briefly rose to national leadership but is busy destroying his power to make happen all that his more issues-focused followers hoped they could accomplish by supporting him. A gadfly already working above his level of competence who used a wave of discontent to rise far above his level of competence.

He's back to the Senate after this, of course. His name is mud there after, as a member of the Democratic Party in Congress, encouraging people to toss out a fellow sitting Democratic congressman (a huge bad) and also attacking Frank and the other guy. Barney Frank is no longer in congress, of course, but he is enormously liked and respected by his former colleagues.

Wonder if Sander'll spend his next four years voting with the "corrupt" Democrats over 96% of the time, the way he has for the last quarter century? My guess is that, at his age, he may just spend a good part of his time trumpeting his righteousness and everyone else's corruption, getting in the papers now that people know his name, mostly ignored by his colleagues but requiring a swat back now and then.

"Bernie alienates his natural allies. He is completely ineffective as a lobbyist because he offends just about everyone." Barney Frank
 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
10. Seriously, Bernie needs to be checked out mentally. He seems to be unravelling and becoming
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:58 PM
May 2016

unstable. I am happy for him that Trump declined the debate. Bernie doesn't need any more help in totally destroying the Democratic party.

LisaM

(27,815 posts)
190. I agree.
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:53 AM
May 2016

It proves that my reservations about him were well founded. He would really make a disagreeable President. It's becoming more and more clear why he has few allies in Congress.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
207. It's not in his ability to "destroy" the Democratic Party.
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

To the contrary, he's busy trashing the power he gained and, no doubt causing more and more of his core of relatively stable liberal followers to drop away by battling the party.

Once the media dialog moves elsewhere, it's over.

Sanders undoubtedly hopes to build his anti-Democratic Party movement, but with what? Movements of people motivated mostly by discontent only have so long before they die away, and a large part of his support is "anti-establishment/where's mine." And of course, his temporary conservative voters were always temporary. There're probably a very large overlap of those with the "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" contingent, but in any case he'll be of no use to the latter once he's no longer a candidate.

Unfortunately for Sanders, America's actually doing a lot better and becoming a lot healthier under Obama. I'm disappointed in him, but now we know the streak of greatness some of us once wondered might be coming out simply isn't there.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
14. Dear DNC. May I please, on your behalf, pen a response to Bernie's counsel?
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:00 PM
May 2016

Dear Brad Deutsch,

Go fuck yourself.

Love & kisses,
Tarcy

Response to Tavarious Jackson (Original post)

riversedge

(70,246 posts)
42. We expected a mature adult when he joined the Party. Not a whiny angry man who
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:00 PM
May 2016

will cry when things do not go his way. He just makes demands and sues when upset.

Response to riversedge (Reply #42)

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
191. It's fun watching Sanders devotees twist themselves
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

Into pretzels defending the angry whinning old guy who can't lose gracefully. And he has lost. Make no mistake.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
243. I'm just amazed that so many BSS
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:28 PM
May 2016

Don't see any of Bernies flaws and go to great lengths to twist Bernies weaknesses into strengths. Sorry but it's amusing. I don't care if you take me seriously. It's hard to take some of you delusional Bernie supporters seriously

Response to redstateblues (Reply #191)

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
141. No we did not expect
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:24 AM
May 2016

Blackmail. Silly us,we thought Sanders would accept that he lost, move on for the good of the country and help defeat Trump. Clearly, that won't happen so ...one vote and out Sanders goes ...he can take any disruptive supporters with him.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #141)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. 11 more days of this. Then Clinton is the presumptive nominee
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:06 PM
May 2016

and she calls all of the shots at the DNC.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
31. This is who he is. It will be truly shocking if he handles defeat
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:20 PM
May 2016

with maturity and grace, and delivers on his promise to do everything possible to defeat Donald Trump.

Response to Tavarious Jackson (Original post)

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
35. Yeah, the BS cheerleaders have been flogging that dead horse for months
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

And every time Faux "News" has another breaking "news" story about it, the BS cheerleaders hyperventilate here at DU.

Response to SFnomad (Reply #35)

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
26. Sanders has a grievance with 90% of the current congress critters
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

how dare they not support him.

Lets make the committee chairs independents...so what if this is the Democratic convention.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
38. Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders have long disliked each other.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016

In fact, it seems like there is old bad blood between them.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
170. For the Gawd Damn banking industry. Don't you see a conflict of interest?
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

Keeping people like him in power is why the income inequality gap will continue its expansion.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
40. Frank has already expressed a willingness to step down
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016
Frank said he expects Clinton to secure a clear majority of delegates, but he will step aside from his rules committee co-chairmanship if the nomination is uncertain in June and a rules interpretation could be the deciding factor.


“I understand the perception problem,” he said. “I don’t insist that everyone in the world have the same confidence in my judgment that I do.”


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/12/sanders-adviser-barney-frank-hit-sanders-capacity-age/82947832/
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
48. Fortunately the nomination is not uncertain
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:30 PM
May 2016

It's been clear for months that Clinton was going to win and it becomes more clear with every passing primary where Sanders doesn't come close to making up ground compared to the decrease in remaining delegates.

Thenewire

(130 posts)
53. Barney Frank thoughts on Sanders in 1991
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:03 AM
May 2016

"His holier-than-thou attitude - saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone - really undercuts his effectiveness"

"To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people. Bernie's view of the world is that the great majority of people agree with him on all the issues and the only reason he does not win is that the Congress is crooked"

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
86. Newspaper article:
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:39 AM
May 2016
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2457&dat=19910712&id=vqJJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Xg0NAAAAIBAJ&pg=4293,3641940&hl=en

Not sure if the link will work but if you just search for the quote you'll find it. What's fascinating is the article about Sanders taking full credit for this (which is really why Frank was pissed off, imo). The article is "Sanders independent voice prompts changes in House."

Number23

(24,544 posts)
240. I repeat... that is one HELL of a find. And is a brilliant synopsis for all of the back biting we've
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

seen this primary.

"Bernie alienates his natural allies. He is completely ineffective as a lobbyist because he alienates everyone."


And in DC, a lobbyist is anyone that tries to advocate on behalf of a cause or issue. If he's this bad in Congress, I shudder to think how horrible he'd be in the White House. Thanks for that, josh.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
194. Boy, that's from a devastating AP article in a
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

newspaper back then. His comment that to Sanders " there are no honest disagreements with people," that his feeling that colleagues who disagree with him all do for dishonest reasons goes right to his judgment and ability to understand the world.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2457&dat=19910712&id=vqJJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Xg0NAAAAIBAJ&pg=4293,3641940&hl=en

lib87

(535 posts)
215. Damn. He's been emotional like this for 25+ years?
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

I thought it was just recently. A leopard and his spots.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
67. I am amazed at the behavior
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:41 AM
May 2016

of this campaign and wonder just how far up the chain they get this from. If this is coming from Bernie or Jane there is no way he could ever be qualified to be president. No president acts like this.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
115. Bernie does seem sort of unhinged
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:30 AM
May 2016

Wild behavior ...did you see his response to the Donalds refusal to debate him?

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
219. I didn't see it on video. I read it here. And yeah ... not very presidential.
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:57 PM
May 2016

Neither Trumpty Dumpty nor Bernie have any clue how much classier and above the fray this all makes Hillary look to the average, everyday person.

Response to Tavarious Jackson (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
70. This indicates that Bernie Sanders intends to disrupt and ruin the convention
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:20 AM
May 2016

in order to attempt to win a nomination after he has lost in terms of voters...he wants partisan folks to try to wrest the nomination from the winner Hillary Clinton...we can not allow the blackmail to continue...one vote folks...then escort Bernie out ...he won't help anyway. So no point in catering to this man who has clearly shown his true intentions...not surprised that Sanders would attempt this, he is a selfish spiteful person. We must face reality and stop him. He should be punished in the Senate ...stripped of his committee and so on.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
73. Yes. One vote and escortted out
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:25 AM
May 2016

Most people are aware of many things he is doing and running to Hillary for it already anyway. He will not help.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
87. Yes. We really don't want his support now.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:39 AM
May 2016

too much dark money in his life being exposed. Hillary does not want that kind of endorcement. We're democrats not republican we're better than that. Get rid of him. He is being truly vetted and exposed now.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
103. Very true
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:05 AM
May 2016

He is not the man his supporters think he is, and no point in continuing with this selfish me me me guy.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
77. We do know from recent events at the Nevada convention, the DNC is trying to paint
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:30 AM
May 2016

Bernie in a bad light in preparation for a contested convention. Could this be more planted bull shit?

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
99. Come to our side and support Hillary.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:50 AM
May 2016

Lets campaign for Hillary against Trump. Bernie has too mush disgrace these days..

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
90. His lawyers sent the Damn letter.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:41 AM
May 2016

I don't think the DNC could paint him in a worst light than that letter does...also he is suing California and asked for an expensive recount in Kentucky where hilariously he lost one delegate as a result... No Bernie is painting Bernie in a bad light and please don't get me started on the Trump 'debate'...where he and Trump would have teamed up and beat up on Clinton...Bernie has shown himself to be a bad person...and you guys who support him are wearing blinders. The truth is Bernie is in it for Bernie. I for one have no patience left for this bitter, angry old guy who has lost by all measure and now intends to destroy the Democratic party and allow Trump to win.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
147. No, Nevada was Bernie supporters acting like Trump supporters
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:37 AM
May 2016

and Bernie not being willing to tell his own people to stop acting like Trump supporters.

Turin_C3PO

(14,009 posts)
208. If he was escorted out
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

that would ruin our chances and Trump would likely win. I don't agree with what Sanders is doing here, but it would be political suicide if they were to treat him like a pariah at the convention.

Response to Tavarious Jackson (Original post)

Response to B Calm (Reply #84)

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
108. http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/sandersletter_160527.jpg
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:15 AM
May 2016

It shows picture when put in body...ok...cut and paste it...for heavens sake.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
80. Looks like he's trying to get bounced from his first convention.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:33 AM
May 2016

No Bernie, it really isn't 1968 anymore, and look who that got us anyway.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
106. In 68
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:10 AM
May 2016

People were fighting to end the war...for real stuff...Bernies supporters are nothing more than groupies.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
110. Yep.
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:25 AM
May 2016

Comparing Sanders to Kucinich for example and you get apples and oranges. All heat, no light.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
121. Exactly. Never in a million years would he have pulled any of this.
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:40 AM
May 2016

Bernie is all burn-it-down and doesn't care that he's polarizing the entire freaking county. Or who it helps.

p.s. Kucinich fan here, wish him well!

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
130. Kucinich cared about people
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:07 AM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders cares about himself...he is perfectly willing to unleash Trump on all of us..to settle a grudge...he is a very spiteful guy. I am so sick of him and his tantrums...threatening the Democratic party is beyond the pale.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
83. Results of the alert on this:
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:37 AM
May 2016

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

How did the OP obtain these documents? No link or explanation. Are they faked?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat May 28, 2016, 06:29 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see any rule being violated - raise your questions in the discussion thread!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Are you serious? This a the real document and is all over the news.Why didn't you just ask for a link??
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is self explanatory
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Are they faked?" No indication that they are. Each can make up their own mind.





I was juror #4. Someone tried to get this hidden instead of just asking for a link.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
109. Alerted?
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:24 AM
May 2016

I posted a link in reply title so it would not print the pictures...cut and paste people...computer 101...BSSERs are desperate. Can you imagine what a spiteful angry guy like Bernie would do with presidential power?

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
85. His whole campaign has now boiled down to petty rage
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:39 AM
May 2016

over losing. I started out having a lot of respect for Sanders,it's gone now.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
118. "Dear MLB, couldn't help noticing the umpires are wearing the other team's caps."
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:33 AM
May 2016

Could you at least try for the -appearance- of impartiality?

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
120. there is no need of 'umpires'
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:35 AM
May 2016

Bernie lost and should be kicked out of the convention for this sort of behavior.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
132. Well it is clear that Bernie won't help in the GE
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:11 AM
May 2016

The letter speaks for itself...make me the nominee or else...thus, let him take his supporters and go...I doubt all of them will commit societal suicide by electing Trump... but we will do the best we can...and hopefully Bernie will get what he deserves politically. And it won't be sunshine and roses either.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
122. how could he get ANYTHING done as president with his alienation of party leaders?
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:46 AM
May 2016

baffling

beginning more and more to see his antics as lashing out more than electioneering

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
133. Oh, it is clear he is trying to
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

steal the nomination...that he lost convincingly...hopefully, this will hurt him in the last primaries... a big loss would take the wind out of his black sails.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
135. Wake up
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:17 AM
May 2016

The dem side is fixed, big time. And because we just "have to have?" HRC, we will lose the GE too.

Look at the numbers. After this week, her numbers will go down again.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
140. Poll numbers are not votes
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:23 AM
May 2016

Get behind Hillary. Burnie is losing his supprters and Hillary can win, will win.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
143. she will win the GE
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:32 AM
May 2016

The important thing is to get Sanders out now. I would think this has hurt him in California...although some may have voted...of course his lawsuit against the state of California and his supporters' attacks on Boxer and Feinstein may help too.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
152. There is no "important thing"
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:43 AM
May 2016

This man has fought his whole life to get here. And it is his right to run as along as he damn well pleases. I will say this, the longer he goes, the worse it is getting for the remaining opponents. Very strange how that has happened, eh?

Yeah, I'm sure it's important to YOU and HRC that he backs off now. It is NOT going to happen. Deal with it.

I'm sorry, but I've had it with establishment politics. Millions of others are too. We need a true progressive in there that will actually go to bat for US!!!!

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
158. He has the right to walk away from a losing campaign with what little dignity
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:52 AM
May 2016

someone as angry and spiteful as he is can...toss him out of the convention...no need to put up with this constant suing and whining.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
175. Oh, those are such good reasons to drop out
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

NOT!!!!

Angry? Spiteful? Suing? Whining?

As with most HRC fans, I find them mostly delusional. Thanks you for pointing this out, AGAIN!!!

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
244. Bernie sued Califorinia
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:37 PM
May 2016

He wasted money in Kentucky and forced a recount ...lost a delegate which is pretty funny and now he sicks lawyers on the DNC whining about the convention after they gave him way to much stuff in my book...he wanted to debate Trump which would have hurt Democrats...he comes off as increasingly desperate and unhinged...9 days and it is curtains for Bernie. I can't wait to never see his face again politically speaking. I really think he has destroyed his movement and his senate career...ah well at 76 he can retire to his mansion in Vermont...or maybe a different one of his three houses.

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
222. Sanders is unvetted and so no one is buying the silly polls being cited
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

No one including people who like Sanders think that he has been fully vetted or that he is really electable http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/24/bernie-sanders-is-crushing-donald-trump-head-to-head-and-it-doesn-t-mean-a-thing.html

But I don’t know a single person whose opinions I really value, and I include here Sanders supporters I know, who takes these polls seriously. There’s one simple reason Sanders polls better against Trump than Clinton does, which is that no one (yet) knows anything negative about him. He’s gotten the freest ride a top-tier presidential candidate has ever gotten. The freest, bar none.

While he’s all but called Clinton a harlot, she’s barely said a word about him, at least since the very early days of the contest. And while Republicans have occasionally jibed at him, like Lindsey Graham’s actually quite funny remark that Sanders “went to the Soviet Union on his honeymoon and I don’t think he ever came back,” in far more serious ways, Republican groups have worked to help Sanders weaken Clinton.

That would change on a dime if he became the nominee. I don’t think they’d even have to go into his radical past, although they surely would. Michelle Goldberg of Slate has written good pieces on this. He took some very hard-left and plainly anti-American positions. True, they might not matter to anyone under 45, but more than half of all voters are over 45. And then, big-P politics aside, there’s all that farkakte nonsense he wrote in The Vermont Freeman in the early ’70s about how we should let children touch each others’ genitals and such. Fine, it was 40-plus years ago but it’s out there, and it’s out there.

But if I were a conservative making anti-Sanders ads, I’d stick to taxes. An analysis earlier this year from the Tax Policy Center found that his proposals would raise taxes in the so-called middle quintile (40-60 percent) by $4,700 a year. A median household is around $53,000. Most such households pay an effective tax rate of around 11 percent, or $5,800. From $5,800 to $10,500 constitutes a 45 percent increase.

Sanders will respond that your average family will save that much in deductibles and co-payments, since there would be no more private health insurance. And in a way, he’d have a point—the average out-of-pocket expenses for a family health insurance plan in 2015 were around $4,900. But that is an average that combines families with one really sick person needing lots of care with families where they all just go see the doctor once a year, who spend far less. They’d lose out under socialized health, which Republicans would be sure to make clear.

But all the above suggests a rational discourse, and we know there’ll be no such thing during a campaign. It’ll just be: largest tax increase in American history (which will be true), and take away your doctor (which also might be true in a lot of cases). There’s a first time for everything I guess, but I don’t think anyone has ever won a presidential election proposing a 45 percent tax increase on people of modest incomes. And the increases would be a lot higher on the upper-middle-class households that tend to decide U.S. elections.

Bah, you say. Bernie can handle all these things. Plus, he’s going to get all those white working-class votes that Clinton will never get. It’s true, he will get some of those. But every yin has a yang. How is Sanders going to do with black and Latino voters? They won’t vote for Trump, obviously, but surely some percentage will just stay home. This will matter in Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, maybe Michigan—all states were a depressed turnout from unenthused voters of color might make the difference. The media find discussing this a lot less interesting than they do nattering on about the white working class, but it’s real, and Trump is smart enough to get out there and say, “Remember, black people, Bernie said your votes weren’t legitimate.

General election polls don’t reflect anything meaningful until nominees are chosen and running mates selected—that is, July. They especially don’t reflect anything meaningful when respondents know very little about one of the candidates they’re being asked about. Superdelegates know this, and it’s one reason why they’re not going to change. I don’t blame Sanders for touting these polls; any politician would. But everyone subjected to hearing him do so is entitled to be in on the joke.

Sanders has not been vetted and would be a horrible general election candidate

Matt_R

(456 posts)
238. Well you better get on it...
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

I don't know why the media keeps ignoring Bernie Sanders, its just weird that they don't know who he is after all these years of appearing on MSNBC.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
155. Yes the huge percentage who supported him do not deserve to have any voice in Clinton Inc.
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

Good luck with that attitude in November

treestar

(82,383 posts)
157. A voice is one thing but this is extreme
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:49 AM
May 2016

People he doesn't like who are Democrats are to be treated like this? How well does that sit with the Democrats?

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
159. And how disrespectful is it to Pres. Obama
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:54 AM
May 2016

to choose West...an avowed Obama hater and Fox groupie who called Pres. Obama the " N" word?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
192. True. As if President Obama is not the Democrat, and Bernie is!
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

Bernie is losing his mind. Talk about entitled. This party was supposed to make it easy for him, apparently and needs to change to accommodate Bernie's needs!

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
164. This letter is so petty and unprofessional
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

Sanders has proven to be a very petty and sad person who is not qualified to be POTUS. I used to like Sanders but now I know him and I feel a great deal of pity towards this sad and angry man.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
173. It sounds sort of second-grade level. "He said this to me! Make him stop!"
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

I don't see the benefit of this complaint. Anyone who doesn't like Sanders should be given the boot?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
225. Neither should Fox whores like West
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

He called the president the "N" word and called Trump genuine. The fact that Bernie picked West says much about Bernie...and it's not good.

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
182. he comes to this process bitter and uncooperative
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:46 AM
May 2016

...I'd be damned if I'd let Sanders continue his campaign at the convention. this sort of crap needs to be shut down.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
188. Bernie has revealed that some issues aren't really that important
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

common sense gun regulation
LGBT rights

Bernies one issue campaign is much more important. Widely respected Democrats must be eliminated from the DNC platforms!

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
189. This is the mark of someone who is trying to swim in the system we
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

HAVE rather than the system we'd like to have. It doesn't work well.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
197. It is a nice to see Bernie and the bros attacking male democrats for a change...
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

Up until now they've only been attacking women...Hillary, Madeline, DWS, Boxer, Feinstien, Roberta Lange....etc...

But...to the point of the OP...No Bernie, the loser does not get to pick who sits on the platform committee....

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
211. Some of your statements remind me of the rise of the Third Reich and other fascist regimes that were
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

"voted in" before going totalitarian.

There is opposition to so-called "rules" that completely disregard the votes of we, the people in favor of party apparatchiks.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
218. Thanks for posting the letter. Bernie made some really good and valid points.
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

Everyone should read it.

Thanks again!

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
232. The DNC disagreed
Sat May 28, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

I love the DNC's response to this rather lame and silly challenge http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention-allies-223685

Roosevelt and Miller responded Saturday in a letter to the Sanders campaign. The co-chairs of the Rules and Bylaws Committee said Malloy and Frank hadn't violated any rule of the DNC.

"Both Governor Malloy and Representative Frank were elected by the Executive Committee of the Democratic National Committee on January 22, 2016, pursuant to the Call for the 2016 Democratic National Convention, Article VII(F)(I)(the "Call&quot ," the chairs wrote in response. "Your challenge does not allege that there was any other cognizable violation of the Call in the conduct of their elections, the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2016 Democratic National Convention, or any other rule or regulation of the Democratic National Committee in their selection."
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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
246. So you think a Wall Street representative should write the platform. Barney is a big time banker now
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:59 PM
May 2016

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
221. Sanders fails to oust Clinton backers from convention roles
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

This petty and stupid challenge has been rejected http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9a368ce98164309aa0a3f4cd74ad6c8/sanders-fails-oust-clinton-backers-convention-roles

Democratic officials have rejected Bernie Sanders' request to remove two high-profile Hillary Clinton supporters from leadership positions at the party's summer convention.

Sanders' presidential campaign said in a letter Friday to the Democratic National Committee that Dannel Malloy, Connecticut's governor, and Barney Frank, a former Massachusetts congressman, couldn't be relied upon to perform their roles "fairly and capably while laboring under such deeply held bias."

Malloy is Platform Committee co-chairman. Frank is co-chairman of the Rules Committee.

Democratic officials responded to Sanders' request on Saturday, saying in a letter that Malloy and Frank were elected under party rules and that Sanders wasn't alleging any violations of that process.

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
230. I love Frank's response to this silliness
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

Franks is not amused http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention-allies-223685


Frank brushed off the Sanders camp's charges.

"It is inconceivable to me that anything could come before that committee that will affect who the nominee is," Frank said. "I think what you have here is this: Sanders is losing to Hillary Clinton because she is getting many more votes and many more pledged delegates. Some of the Sanders supporters are trying to lay the claim that he's being unfairly deprived of this."

Asked what he thought Sanders' endgame goal was, Frank said it might be to suggest he was robbed of the nomination.

"I hope it is not to lay the basis for an inaccurate claim that he was unfairly denied the nomination and I do see some elements of this," Frank said. "We really had two nomination contests this year. Bernie Sanders is the nominee of the caucuses; Hillary Clinton is the nominee of the primaries, which are more Democratic."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention-allies-223685#ixzz49yxEs5OH
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