2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie wants to throw Barney Frank and Dannel Malloy out of convention platform.
He must not know that the convention is not suppose to favor in the direction of the loser. Does he not know that the winner has ALL the say about what goes on at the convention?
Bernie acts like he never followed a presidential election in his life.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)It's not his convention.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)negotiating tactics that have the Democrat's opening bid start out as a Republican concession. This is how it's supposed to work. Take note. You might not get to see it again for quite some time if your dream candidate comes true.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Time to stop the negotiations and kick out Fox groupie West while you are at it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Sat May 28, 2016, 11:19 AM - Edit history (1)
it is NOT how it is supposed to work. The Democratic Party is supposed to be made up of people who come together to work together toward common goals. Not a party + 1 left-wing independent who's infiltrated in order to attack it from inside.
Ed, I don't care how worthy his goals may seem, there ARE other ways, especially for a man in his position. He is now a party leader. He could proceed as a party leader, instead of the leader of an insurgent fifth column, but he is choosing the latter.
So be it. There is something wrong with Bernie, and it is that hostile dysfunctional extremist strain that doesn't allow working with others that I've been watching for months. That basic dysfunction is why people like him don't lead parties, for very long, and why parties made up of people like that don't thrive, and usually break up.
And I suspect something else. He may just have a lot of negative feelings stored up after keeping his extremely cushy salary and exalted position by voting with the leading left-wing party over 96% of the time for a quarter century. What's principled about doing that all the while calling them corrupt, after all?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts).....and a succinct explanation for why Bernie hasnt been able to build a significant peer coalition in 25 years.
Gothmog
(145,344 posts)Franks and Malloy are both very popular in the party and are friends with many of the super delegates. This silly stunt is going to really come back and hurt Sanders when he asks super delegates to vote for him. Malloy is a super delegate. Heck one of the super delegates I know was at Barney Franks' wedding. It will be amusing to see a bernie bro ask that super delegate to support Sanders
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)run the show, start to finish:
President of the United States Barack Obama Illinois
Vice President of the United States Joe Biden Delaware
Chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz Florida
Democratic Congressional Committee Chairman Congressman Ben Ray Lujan New Mexico
447 Members of the DNC
...includes 75 at-large members who are nominated by the Chairman and approved by the full DNC.
Executive Committee
64 members; oversees affairs of the party in between meetings of the full committee and meets four times a year.
Standing Committees
Rules and Bylaws - Co-chairs: Jim Roosevelt (MA) and Lorraine Miller (TX)
Credentials - Co-chairs: Karen Carter Peterson (LA) and Andrés W. López (PR)
Resolutions - Co-Chairs: Jim Zogby (DC) and Hilda Solis (CA)
Adopted Pursuant to the Charter of the Democratic Party of the United States
ARTICLE ONE
Democratic National Convention
Section 1. The National Convention is the highest authority of the Democratic Party. subject to the
provisions of the Charter.
Section 2. The National Convention shall adopt permanent rules governing the conduct of its
business at the beginning of each Convention, and until the adoption of such permanent rules, the
Convention and the activities attendant thereto shall be governed by temporary rules set forth in the Call to
the National Convention.
Bottom-line: whomsoever controls the Rules Committee at the Convention, runs the show.
Gothmog
(145,344 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)understand why others might choose to do something other than what he wants.
brooklynite
(94,607 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)In politics you can not hold grudges.. People debate, disagree, and compromise to get things done. Bernie is holding part grudges.. no wonder he alienated his colleagues
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)His bread and butter is the politics of resentment.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)He is on Trump's team...who does he hurt (Democrats) and who does he help (Trump).
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)There was a time when the posters of this board didn't come to vomit idiotic and uninformed smears like this one of yours.
I miss those days.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Only someone who really wanted to hurt Dems would threaten to shut down the convention...it helps Trump ...so it is true...as for posting on this site...please...the BSSER's post have been dreadful.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Your smears are uncalled for. They add nothing to the dialog.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)He shows his totalitarian leanings...
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Let me help.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blackmail
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(15,941 posts)I was juror 3
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Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)I got a jury hide last night for calling out someone who was equating $$$ with speech.
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Gothmog
(145,344 posts)Thank you for agreeing to this
frylock
(34,825 posts)Go troll someone else.
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Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)And clearly he still thinks he will gain the nomination at the convention; it would be Nevada all over again...we don't need this crap from Bernie Sanders who is a big loser in all measures of the campaign... and is using the convention to settle grudges ...he can not be allowed to do so. Time to cut our Bernie losses...he will do nothing to help, honestly, this shows we would be better of without him. Bernie has shown that he is despicable and why he is disliked in the Senate.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of decades, never swayed, that there is no such thing as valid disagreement with him, that colleagues who disagree with him do so for crooked reasons, has to be part of a bizarre righteousness that probably stands on its own, unbroken by self awareness, much less insight into others.
Apparently he really never was more than a dysfunctional little gadfly buzzing mostly unknown around the big leagues for a couple decades, until now in this weird election season. Sad, and of course inevitably irritating.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)those who deserve to be resented -- Immoral Corporations, Wall St. Banksters and the Elites who control them.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)When he was in Congress, even when i agreed with Frank, he made my skin crawl.
Bernie can be an abrasive jerk sometimes too.
So it's not unusual for two abrasive personalities to butt heads.
The point is that in in this primary, Frank has gone out of his way to be insulting to Sanders and his supporters in an especially personal and vitriolic way. I've seen him on interviews and he verged on the irrational in his behavior.
I totally agree that he is not an appropriate person to have on the platform group.
To be fair, I also don't like the fact that Bernie put Cornell West on there either....But the Clinton campaign is free to challenge him too.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Please...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Scalp-hunting is about egos, not greater causes.
I'm sure it chafes Sanders to see Frank in that position. But, really, so what?
There's a much stronger case for dumping DWS, who has shown she's simply not up to the job and has done questionable things in office.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)write the platform? He called Obama the "N" word and is not a Democrat.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)is someone who has dropped out of contention.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)president, or are you hoping he'll shake things up enough to cause some improvements before settling back into the Senate?
k8conant
(3,030 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)makes you one of the good ones. Surprisingly few of his followers are turning out to be genuinely motivated by his issues, but some are.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Malloy has the guts to stand against the NRA, Sanders doesn't.
And it is just pure vengeance for Frank.
No Sanders is not the Saint his followers proclaim him to be.
I
His ego is huge and now power hungry.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Would the Hillary supporters expect Hillary to roll over and just accept committees that were filled with pro Bernie people?
No, you would expect her to fight.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Around June 8 the DNC will become an extension of the Clinton campaign and everyone at the DNC will report to Robbie Mook.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Great attitude, and guaranteed to win over voters
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The nominee runs the convention. Obama ran the convention in 2008, Kerry ran it in 2004, Gore ran it in 2000, and Clinton ran it in 1992.
The purpose of the convention is to promote the nominee, not to soothe the hurt feelings of the candidate who lost.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Convention is suppose to be 100% decision of the person with most delegates.
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SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Secretary Clinton will have the majority of pledged delegates
Secretary Clinton has the majority of Superdelegates
If BS's ego forces it to go this far, Secretary Clinton will win the nomination on the first ballot.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)hopefully, one vote; his delegates vote for him (some) the rest vote for Hillary...then security escorts him to the sidewalk outside the convention...Dems decide who goes to a convention. Bernie might as well head over to the GOP convention...where Trump is ...he is helping Trump.
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Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Bernie is clearly going to to what he can to elect Trump...thus toss him out...you want president Trump...do it...cut off your nose to spite your face...I say Bernie Sander is not worth the trouble.
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Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)And Sanders lost..sure vote in the few races left but at the end she wins and he loses...his continued grudge match hurts our efforts in the general...which places him squarely on Trumps team...and of course the so-called Trump-Bernie debate clearly showed who's side he is on.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)You keep repeating it seemingly hoping to convince yourself. You still sound like you don't really buy it.
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Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)by the way...you do understand how that looks right?
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Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Just making rules up.
Arkansas Granny
(31,519 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)with them to effect the changes she promised me to deliver. That's how effective legislators get support for and pass legislation.
Bernie briefly rose to national leadership but is busy destroying his power to make happen all that his more issues-focused followers hoped they could accomplish by supporting him. A gadfly already working above his level of competence who used a wave of discontent to rise far above his level of competence.
He's back to the Senate after this, of course. His name is mud there after, as a member of the Democratic Party in Congress, encouraging people to toss out a fellow sitting Democratic congressman (a huge bad) and also attacking Frank and the other guy. Barney Frank is no longer in congress, of course, but he is enormously liked and respected by his former colleagues.
Wonder if Sander'll spend his next four years voting with the "corrupt" Democrats over 96% of the time, the way he has for the last quarter century? My guess is that, at his age, he may just spend a good part of his time trumpeting his righteousness and everyone else's corruption, getting in the papers now that people know his name, mostly ignored by his colleagues but requiring a swat back now and then.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)They want to kick out the co chairs?? God give me strength..
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I know I am in shock.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)unstable. I am happy for him that Trump declined the debate. Bernie doesn't need any more help in totally destroying the Democratic party.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)this is the kind of temperament someone would want in the white house?
LisaM
(27,815 posts)It proves that my reservations about him were well founded. He would really make a disagreeable President. It's becoming more and more clear why he has few allies in Congress.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)To the contrary, he's busy trashing the power he gained and, no doubt causing more and more of his core of relatively stable liberal followers to drop away by battling the party.
Once the media dialog moves elsewhere, it's over.
Sanders undoubtedly hopes to build his anti-Democratic Party movement, but with what? Movements of people motivated mostly by discontent only have so long before they die away, and a large part of his support is "anti-establishment/where's mine." And of course, his temporary conservative voters were always temporary. There're probably a very large overlap of those with the "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" contingent, but in any case he'll be of no use to the latter once he's no longer a candidate.
Unfortunately for Sanders, America's actually doing a lot better and becoming a lot healthier under Obama. I'm disappointed in him, but now we know the streak of greatness some of us once wondered might be coming out simply isn't there.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Dear Brad Deutsch,
Go fuck yourself.
Love & kisses,
Tarcy
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riversedge
(70,246 posts)will cry when things do not go his way. He just makes demands and sues when upset.
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redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Into pretzels defending the angry whinning old guy who can't lose gracefully. And he has lost. Make no mistake.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Don't see any of Bernies flaws and go to great lengths to twist Bernies weaknesses into strengths. Sorry but it's amusing. I don't care if you take me seriously. It's hard to take some of you delusional Bernie supporters seriously
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Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Blackmail. Silly us,we thought Sanders would accept that he lost, move on for the good of the country and help defeat Trump. Clearly, that won't happen so ...one vote and out Sanders goes ...he can take any disruptive supporters with him.
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LiberalFighter
(50,953 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and she calls all of the shots at the DNC.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with maturity and grace, and delivers on his promise to do everything possible to defeat Donald Trump.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Go home, Sanders.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)Got To a Yankee Game, And tell them to wear BoSox Shirts.
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SFnomad
(3,473 posts)And every time Faux "News" has another breaking "news" story about it, the BS cheerleaders hyperventilate here at DU.
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riversedge
(70,246 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But he doesn't own the house.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)how dare they not support him.
Lets make the committee chairs independents...so what if this is the Democratic convention.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)everyday.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)The crowds and bright lights have gotten to him.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)In fact, it seems like there is old bad blood between them.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Keeping people like him in power is why the income inequality gap will continue its expansion.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I understand the perception problem, he said. I dont insist that everyone in the world have the same confidence in my judgment that I do.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/12/sanders-adviser-barney-frank-hit-sanders-capacity-age/82947832/
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)but dems have bent over backward to accommodate him.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It's been clear for months that Clinton was going to win and it becomes more clear with every passing primary where Sanders doesn't come close to making up ground compared to the decrease in remaining delegates.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)No, the chairs will not step aside.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Thenewire
(130 posts)"His holier-than-thou attitude - saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone - really undercuts his effectiveness"
"To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people. Bernie's view of the world is that the great majority of people agree with him on all the issues and the only reason he does not win is that the Congress is crooked"
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Thanks!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Not sure if the link will work but if you just search for the quote you'll find it. What's fascinating is the article about Sanders taking full credit for this (which is really why Frank was pissed off, imo). The article is "Sanders independent voice prompts changes in House."
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)seen this primary.
And in DC, a lobbyist is anyone that tries to advocate on behalf of a cause or issue. If he's this bad in Congress, I shudder to think how horrible he'd be in the White House. Thanks for that, josh.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)And nothing has changed
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)newspaper back then. His comment that to Sanders " there are no honest disagreements with people," that his feeling that colleagues who disagree with him all do for dishonest reasons goes right to his judgment and ability to understand the world.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2457&dat=19910712&id=vqJJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Xg0NAAAAIBAJ&pg=4293,3641940&hl=en
lib87
(535 posts)I thought it was just recently. A leopard and his spots.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)Duly noted. Bernie is the gift that keeps on giving.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)More like psychotic.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)of this campaign and wonder just how far up the chain they get this from. If this is coming from Bernie or Jane there is no way he could ever be qualified to be president. No president acts like this.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Wild behavior ...did you see his response to the Donalds refusal to debate him?
barrow-wight
(744 posts)Neither Trumpty Dumpty nor Bernie have any clue how much classier and above the fray this all makes Hillary look to the average, everyday person.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Gothmog
(145,344 posts)barrow-wight
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Alfresco
(1,698 posts)riversedge
(70,246 posts)Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)in order to attempt to win a nomination after he has lost in terms of voters...he wants partisan folks to try to wrest the nomination from the winner Hillary Clinton...we can not allow the blackmail to continue...one vote folks...then escort Bernie out ...he won't help anyway. So no point in catering to this man who has clearly shown his true intentions...not surprised that Sanders would attempt this, he is a selfish spiteful person. We must face reality and stop him. He should be punished in the Senate ...stripped of his committee and so on.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Most people are aware of many things he is doing and running to Hillary for it already anyway. He will not help.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Quick and clean and only then can healing begin.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)too much dark money in his life being exposed. Hillary does not want that kind of endorcement. We're democrats not republican we're better than that. Get rid of him. He is being truly vetted and exposed now.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)He is not the man his supporters think he is, and no point in continuing with this selfish me me me guy.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Bernie in a bad light in preparation for a contested convention. Could this be more planted bull shit?
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)We have piles and piles...
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Lets campaign for Hillary against Trump. Bernie has too mush disgrace these days..
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)and that is the truth.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)I don't think the DNC could paint him in a worst light than that letter does...also he is suing California and asked for an expensive recount in Kentucky where hilariously he lost one delegate as a result... No Bernie is painting Bernie in a bad light and please don't get me started on the Trump 'debate'...where he and Trump would have teamed up and beat up on Clinton...Bernie has shown himself to be a bad person...and you guys who support him are wearing blinders. The truth is Bernie is in it for Bernie. I for one have no patience left for this bitter, angry old guy who has lost by all measure and now intends to destroy the Democratic party and allow Trump to win.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)The nurses..
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)to wind down his losing campaign...so we can beat Trump.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Corrupt to the core.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and Bernie not being willing to tell his own people to stop acting like Trump supporters.
Turin_C3PO
(14,009 posts)that would ruin our chances and Trump would likely win. I don't agree with what Sanders is doing here, but it would be political suicide if they were to treat him like a pariah at the convention.
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Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)That's the message at the link. . You want to try again?
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Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)It shows picture when put in body...ok...cut and paste it...for heavens sake.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)And it is real.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)came from?
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Link above
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)You can jump forward to about the 5 minute mark.
Gothmog
(145,344 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)No Bernie, it really isn't 1968 anymore, and look who that got us anyway.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)People were fighting to end the war...for real stuff...Bernies supporters are nothing more than groupies.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Comparing Sanders to Kucinich for example and you get apples and oranges. All heat, no light.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)I miss him here in Ohio...Bernie...not so much.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Bernie is all burn-it-down and doesn't care that he's polarizing the entire freaking county. Or who it helps.
p.s. Kucinich fan here, wish him well!
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Bernie Sanders cares about himself...he is perfectly willing to unleash Trump on all of us..to settle a grudge...he is a very spiteful guy. I am so sick of him and his tantrums...threatening the Democratic party is beyond the pale.
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Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)This is all over the news and much more stuff..
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)I posted a link in reply title so it would not print the pictures...cut and paste people...computer 101...BSSERs are desperate. Can you imagine what a spiteful angry guy like Bernie would do with presidential power?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)over losing. I started out having a lot of respect for Sanders,it's gone now.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Could you at least try for the -appearance- of impartiality?
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)Bernie lost and should be kicked out of the convention for this sort of behavior.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Hello President Donald!
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)The letter speaks for itself...make me the nominee or else...thus, let him take his supporters and go...I doubt all of them will commit societal suicide by electing Trump... but we will do the best we can...and hopefully Bernie will get what he deserves politically. And it won't be sunshine and roses either.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)baffling
beginning more and more to see his antics as lashing out more than electioneering
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)steal the nomination...that he lost convincingly...hopefully, this will hurt him in the last primaries... a big loss would take the wind out of his black sails.
Autumn
(45,109 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)The dem side is fixed, big time. And because we just "have to have?" HRC, we will lose the GE too.
Look at the numbers. After this week, her numbers will go down again.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Get behind Hillary. Burnie is losing his supprters and Hillary can win, will win.
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)The important thing is to get Sanders out now. I would think this has hurt him in California...although some may have voted...of course his lawsuit against the state of California and his supporters' attacks on Boxer and Feinstein may help too.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)This man has fought his whole life to get here. And it is his right to run as along as he damn well pleases. I will say this, the longer he goes, the worse it is getting for the remaining opponents. Very strange how that has happened, eh?
Yeah, I'm sure it's important to YOU and HRC that he backs off now. It is NOT going to happen. Deal with it.
I'm sorry, but I've had it with establishment politics. Millions of others are too. We need a true progressive in there that will actually go to bat for US!!!!
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)someone as angry and spiteful as he is can...toss him out of the convention...no need to put up with this constant suing and whining.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)NOT!!!!
Angry? Spiteful? Suing? Whining?
As with most HRC fans, I find them mostly delusional. Thanks you for pointing this out, AGAIN!!!
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)He wasted money in Kentucky and forced a recount ...lost a delegate which is pretty funny and now he sicks lawyers on the DNC whining about the convention after they gave him way to much stuff in my book...he wanted to debate Trump which would have hurt Democrats...he comes off as increasingly desperate and unhinged...9 days and it is curtains for Bernie. I can't wait to never see his face again politically speaking. I really think he has destroyed his movement and his senate career...ah well at 76 he can retire to his mansion in Vermont...or maybe a different one of his three houses.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)with the Wyoming convention?
Matt_R
(456 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Gothmog
(145,344 posts)No one including people who like Sanders think that he has been fully vetted or that he is really electable http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/24/bernie-sanders-is-crushing-donald-trump-head-to-head-and-it-doesn-t-mean-a-thing.html
While hes all but called Clinton a harlot, shes barely said a word about him, at least since the very early days of the contest. And while Republicans have occasionally jibed at him, like Lindsey Grahams actually quite funny remark that Sanders went to the Soviet Union on his honeymoon and I dont think he ever came back, in far more serious ways, Republican groups have worked to help Sanders weaken Clinton.
That would change on a dime if he became the nominee. I dont think theyd even have to go into his radical past, although they surely would. Michelle Goldberg of Slate has written good pieces on this. He took some very hard-left and plainly anti-American positions. True, they might not matter to anyone under 45, but more than half of all voters are over 45. And then, big-P politics aside, theres all that farkakte nonsense he wrote in The Vermont Freeman in the early 70s about how we should let children touch each others genitals and such. Fine, it was 40-plus years ago but its out there, and its out there.
But if I were a conservative making anti-Sanders ads, Id stick to taxes. An analysis earlier this year from the Tax Policy Center found that his proposals would raise taxes in the so-called middle quintile (40-60 percent) by $4,700 a year. A median household is around $53,000. Most such households pay an effective tax rate of around 11 percent, or $5,800. From $5,800 to $10,500 constitutes a 45 percent increase.
Sanders will respond that your average family will save that much in deductibles and co-payments, since there would be no more private health insurance. And in a way, hed have a pointthe average out-of-pocket expenses for a family health insurance plan in 2015 were around $4,900. But that is an average that combines families with one really sick person needing lots of care with families where they all just go see the doctor once a year, who spend far less. Theyd lose out under socialized health, which Republicans would be sure to make clear.
But all the above suggests a rational discourse, and we know therell be no such thing during a campaign. Itll just be: largest tax increase in American history (which will be true), and take away your doctor (which also might be true in a lot of cases). Theres a first time for everything I guess, but I dont think anyone has ever won a presidential election proposing a 45 percent tax increase on people of modest incomes. And the increases would be a lot higher on the upper-middle-class households that tend to decide U.S. elections.
Bah, you say. Bernie can handle all these things. Plus, hes going to get all those white working-class votes that Clinton will never get. Its true, he will get some of those. But every yin has a yang. How is Sanders going to do with black and Latino voters? They wont vote for Trump, obviously, but surely some percentage will just stay home. This will matter in Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, maybe Michiganall states were a depressed turnout from unenthused voters of color might make the difference. The media find discussing this a lot less interesting than they do nattering on about the white working class, but its real, and Trump is smart enough to get out there and say, Remember, black people, Bernie said your votes werent legitimate.
General election polls dont reflect anything meaningful until nominees are chosen and running mates selectedthat is, July. They especially dont reflect anything meaningful when respondents know very little about one of the candidates theyre being asked about. Superdelegates know this, and its one reason why theyre not going to change. I dont blame Sanders for touting these polls; any politician would. But everyone subjected to hearing him do so is entitled to be in on the joke.
Sanders has not been vetted and would be a horrible general election candidate
Matt_R
(456 posts)I don't know why the media keeps ignoring Bernie Sanders, its just weird that they don't know who he is after all these years of appearing on MSNBC.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)What a baby Bernie is turning out to be! You lost - deal with it Bernie!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Good luck with that attitude in November
treestar
(82,383 posts)People he doesn't like who are Democrats are to be treated like this? How well does that sit with the Democrats?
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)to choose West...an avowed Obama hater and Fox groupie who called Pres. Obama the " N" word?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Bernie is losing his mind. Talk about entitled. This party was supposed to make it easy for him, apparently and needs to change to accommodate Bernie's needs!
Gothmog
(145,344 posts)Sanders has proven to be a very petty and sad person who is not qualified to be POTUS. I used to like Sanders but now I know him and I feel a great deal of pity towards this sad and angry man.
randome
(34,845 posts)I don't see the benefit of this complaint. Anyone who doesn't like Sanders should be given the boot?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
Gothmog
(145,344 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)It was published after this segment on TRMS last night: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Sanders-calls-for-Malloy-s-ouster-from-7950728.php?cmpid=twitter-tablet
I see people are asking for links in this thread, I thought I would supply a few.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)They only represent 1% .
Demsrule86
(68,599 posts)He called the president the "N" word and called Trump genuine. The fact that Bernie picked West says much about Bernie...and it's not good.
LisaM
(27,815 posts)Circular file material, but still.
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...I'd be damned if I'd let Sanders continue his campaign at the convention. this sort of crap needs to be shut down.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)common sense gun regulation
LGBT rights
Bernies one issue campaign is much more important. Widely respected Democrats must be eliminated from the DNC platforms!
wiggs
(7,814 posts)HAVE rather than the system we'd like to have. It doesn't work well.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'm sorry to see it come to such a point.
Henhouse
(646 posts)Up until now they've only been attacking women...Hillary, Madeline, DWS, Boxer, Feinstien, Roberta Lange....etc...
But...to the point of the OP...No Bernie, the loser does not get to pick who sits on the platform committee....
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)Did anyone misplace their sock?
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)You're going to defend this?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)"voted in" before going totalitarian.
There is opposition to so-called "rules" that completely disregard the votes of we, the people in favor of party apparatchiks.
chascarrillo
(3,897 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Everyone should read it.
Thanks again!
Gothmog
(145,344 posts)I love the DNC's response to this rather lame and silly challenge http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention-allies-223685
"Both Governor Malloy and Representative Frank were elected by the Executive Committee of the Democratic National Committee on January 22, 2016, pursuant to the Call for the 2016 Democratic National Convention, Article VII(F)(I)(the "Call" ," the chairs wrote in response. "Your challenge does not allege that there was any other cognizable violation of the Call in the conduct of their elections, the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2016 Democratic National Convention, or any other rule or regulation of the Democratic National Committee in their selection."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention-allies-223685#ixzz49z3mP4zH
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imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Gothmog
(145,344 posts)This petty and stupid challenge has been rejected http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a9a368ce98164309aa0a3f4cd74ad6c8/sanders-fails-oust-clinton-backers-convention-roles
Sanders' presidential campaign said in a letter Friday to the Democratic National Committee that Dannel Malloy, Connecticut's governor, and Barney Frank, a former Massachusetts congressman, couldn't be relied upon to perform their roles "fairly and capably while laboring under such deeply held bias."
Malloy is Platform Committee co-chairman. Frank is co-chairman of the Rules Committee.
Democratic officials responded to Sanders' request on Saturday, saying in a letter that Malloy and Frank were elected under party rules and that Sanders wasn't alleging any violations of that process.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Clinton says NO
riversedge
(70,246 posts)Gothmog
(145,344 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Angry old socialist finding out the hard way...
riversedge
(70,246 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Gothmog
(145,344 posts)Franks is not amused http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention-allies-223685
Frank brushed off the Sanders camp's charges.
"It is inconceivable to me that anything could come before that committee that will affect who the nominee is," Frank said. "I think what you have here is this: Sanders is losing to Hillary Clinton because she is getting many more votes and many more pledged delegates. Some of the Sanders supporters are trying to lay the claim that he's being unfairly deprived of this."
Asked what he thought Sanders' endgame goal was, Frank said it might be to suggest he was robbed of the nomination.
"I hope it is not to lay the basis for an inaccurate claim that he was unfairly denied the nomination and I do see some elements of this," Frank said. "We really had two nomination contests this year. Bernie Sanders is the nominee of the caucuses; Hillary Clinton is the nominee of the primaries, which are more Democratic."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-convention-allies-223685#ixzz49yxEs5OH
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silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Gothmog
(145,344 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)that is for sure