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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:07 AM May 2016

Hillary supporters continue making threads about how unelectable

Bernie is, but continue to complain about Bernie bringing up Hillary's ties to Wall Street. She is the nominee.

Bernie should continue to complain about the corruption in the Democratic party the revolving door of politicians, staffers, and lobbyists in both parties.

The GOP is completely sold out. I expect nothing but garbage from them, I expect a lot better from democrats.

Hillary wants to get rid of super pacs but wants to continue the broken system of bribery pre citizens united.

I find it unbelievable how many democrats are OK with corruption in the party.

You want to know why so many bills are watered or neutered to ineffective?

It's because they're bribed not to.

Lobbying is legalized bribery. Why the fuck would we want bribers writing our party platform?

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Hillary supporters continue making threads about how unelectable (Original Post) JRLeft May 2016 OP
Why does BS and his cheerleaders want to help tRump win? n/t SFnomad May 2016 #1
Another out and out fucking lie by a Clinton supporter. 99Forever May 2016 #4
What I ask is why would a person joint DU in June of 2008, make 17 posts then vanish Bluenorthwest May 2016 #18
Yes, very interesting Duckhunter935 May 2016 #34
Some of those Hillary supportes sound like republicans. Could they be B Calm May 2016 #46
Exactly - My favorite is when the HRC folks say... Yurovsky May 2016 #22
Their frustration with Bernie is insistence on exposing the party's corruption they want him to shut JRLeft May 2016 #25
Agree 100%... Our government cannot maintain the support of the citizenry... Yurovsky May 2016 #35
Not at all. You cannot represent industry and your constituents at the same time. JRLeft May 2016 #36
You're the ones risking a Trump presidency. Broward May 2016 #6
Nope, we are not going with the weaker candidate. And BS is certainly the weaker candidate n/t SFnomad May 2016 #7
HRC The Candidate Is Risking A Trump Presidency - She Is Significantly Disliked By Many Citizens cantbeserious May 2016 #10
"Significantly"? Really? TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #13
Too True - Was Being Diplomatic And Measured - Oops - Sorry That This Citizen Just Channeled ... cantbeserious May 2016 #17
What's more, Bill Clinton appears to have encouraged Trump to run Baobab May 2016 #20
Look in the mirror, dude. TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #9
If she loses it will be because she ran a shitty campaign. JRLeft May 2016 #12
So being that BS lost the primary, it's because he ran a shitty campaign too, eh? n/t SFnomad May 2016 #14
No, it's because she had huge built in support and name recognition. JRLeft May 2016 #19
Should be Disqualified by dishonesty and greed. Baobab May 2016 #23
We're not supposed to talk about corruption. We're suppose to shut up and fall in line. JRLeft May 2016 #26
Or because people don't want to elect someone who plays fast and loose with our Fawke Em May 2016 #15
It's becoming obvious... quickesst May 2016 #31
Name one? Duckhunter935 May 2016 #33
The writing is on the wall in bright blazing neon Merryland May 2016 #2
His vote and delegate totals speak to Sanders' electability. What am I missing here ? LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #3
Hillary is more electable within the party but in the general election is a JRLeft May 2016 #5
Too bad for you then that we choose our nominee through the primary process and not the polls. Trust Buster May 2016 #11
I have no problem with her being the nominee. My issue is about you guys complaining about JRLeft May 2016 #16
I think the Party needs to work with people AND industry. Without industry we'd have no jobs. Trust Buster May 2016 #24
The party works for industry, they need to work for us. JRLeft May 2016 #27
I think the Party's position should be to regulate business but we must also work with them as well. Trust Buster May 2016 #28
Your talking about NorthCarolina May 2016 #30
A bribed politician won't work in your best interest. JRLeft May 2016 #37
They sure love to keep talking about a candidate bigwillq May 2016 #8
She will be the nominee, but should never go silent on the party's corruption. JRLeft May 2016 #21
sanders never been vetted nationally...and still hasn't....his record as a socialist who has ranted beachbum bob May 2016 #29
Where is your proof that the Democratic Party is corrupted? nt asuhornets May 2016 #32
Does the democratic party take money from industry? JRLeft May 2016 #38
And so does everyone else. That's not corruption.. asuhornets May 2016 #39
Who's everyone else? JRLeft May 2016 #40
Repugs, Dems, and Sanders asuhornets May 2016 #41
Republicans shouldn't take the money either Bernie isn't taking the money. JRLeft May 2016 #42
Writing a letter to elected officials is legalized bribery? loyalsister May 2016 #43
You know exactly who referring to but go ahead and pretend nothing is there. JRLeft May 2016 #44
What or who? loyalsister May 2016 #45
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. What I ask is why would a person joint DU in June of 2008, make 17 posts then vanish
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

only to return and make 1557 posts in 90 days with 8 of them being hidden by jury? That's some oddball stuff if you ask me. 17 posts in 8 years then 1557 in 90 days. What's the explanation for that? Brain fugue? Lingering coma? Lost in the Andes?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
34. Yes, very interesting
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

Seen several of these zombie accounts all the sudden go active for Hillary. And also the many new accounts that showed up in April.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
46. Some of those Hillary supportes sound like republicans. Could they be
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:52 PM
May 2016

paid trolls for Hillary or Trump?

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
22. Exactly - My favorite is when the HRC folks say...
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Trump. Complete bullshit.

A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, and I've yet to read a DU poster who supports Bernie say they're voting for Trump.

Voting for a progressive 3rd party candidate is simply a refusal to support corporate ownership of the Democratic Party. I know some folks will just say "that's just the way things are, don't be naive", but I say fuck that shit. I'm too damn old to sit in the corner, biting my tongue and hoping that the Party will regain its rightful place as the Party of the People, instead of merely the pro-choice wing of the GOP. Economic justice cannot be put on hold until Team Clinton decides they have enough money and power. And the prospect of Chelsea following her parents into politics nauseates me. Hopefully she'll end the charade and just go ahead and register Republican.

Meanwhile, I will continue to vote my conscience and work to ensure the Democratic Party owes its allegiance to the people, not the powerful. It's an uphill fight, but essential for the future of America.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
25. Their frustration with Bernie is insistence on exposing the party's corruption they want him to shut
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

up, but he won't and he shouldn't.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
35. Agree 100%... Our government cannot maintain the support of the citizenry...
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

if the people become convinced that the only two major parties are completely corrupt and mere tools of corporate 1%ers.

Maybe it would result in a 3rd party emerging to prominence, or it could result in widespread protest and potential violence. I'm certainly hoping for the former if the Democratic Party doesn't distance itself from some of the dark forces financing HRC's campaign. Wall Street & Corporate America are NOT on the side of the people, that much I know.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
10. HRC The Candidate Is Risking A Trump Presidency - She Is Significantly Disliked By Many Citizens
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

eom

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
20. What's more, Bill Clinton appears to have encouraged Trump to run
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

for office, in 2015. Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka Trump are best friends.

This situation is profoundly wrong.

I am refusing to vote for either of their parents.

We don't need dynastic successions here in America. Nor do we need billionaire Presidents.

They are so extremely out of touch with what we need.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
12. If she loses it will be because she ran a shitty campaign.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

It's up to her. By the way you ignored the rest of my post. Do you support lobbyists within the party? Especially lobbyists who work against the citizens of this nation.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
19. No, it's because she had huge built in support and name recognition.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

She made sure her opponents received very little exposure with only 6 debates on at shitty times on days when no one would tune in. She had a 60 point lead!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
15. Or because people don't want to elect someone who plays fast and loose with our
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

nation's secrets.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
31. It's becoming obvious...
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

... that priorities have changed. Defeating Trump has become secondary to bringing down Hillary Clinton. The hatred exhibited my some Sanders supporters has replaced their "conscience" without regard to the welfare of this country and its citizens, including women, children, POC, and the LGBT community. It is an ideology that has been turned inside out, and somehow accepted as the moral position. Thankfully I believe it is a small minority and much smaller than they believe it to be. This is a personal opinion and I do not presume to speak for anyone else. Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the United States.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
33. Name one?
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

Scared, or are you just posting outright lies. Way to help your candidate win over people

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
2. The writing is on the wall in bright blazing neon
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:11 AM
May 2016

Bernie is much more electable than Hillary, and poll after poll shows him beating Trump by a solid margin - Trump was smart to refuse to debate him, as he would destroy Trump and Hillary in the process.

I think there will be no reconciliation in the Democratic party in the near future. Maybe indictments will help resolve things.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
5. Hillary is more electable within the party but in the general election is a
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

totally different animal.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
16. I have no problem with her being the nominee. My issue is about you guys complaining about
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

Bernie bringing up her and the party's corruption. The party needs to work for the people and not industry.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
28. I think the Party's position should be to regulate business but we must also work with them as well.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:33 AM
May 2016
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
8. They sure love to keep talking about a candidate
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

That is not going to be the nominee. I thank them for keeping Bernie front and center on DU. It's the best way to defeat Donald Dump.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
29. sanders never been vetted nationally...and still hasn't....his record as a socialist who has ranted
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

and raved against capitalism, and success.... be easy pickens for rightwing to destroy how much he hates american success....his record as a pacifistic would be used against him that he can't and won't protect america.....his over the top response as an angry fist pounding old man will be used against him

soccer moms will never vote for him....trump wins

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
42. Republicans shouldn't take the money either Bernie isn't taking the money.
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:01 PM
May 2016

Read the book "Listen Liberal! " Thomas Frank. The income inequality issue, the climate issue, tech won't be resolved without getting the money out of the system.

Industry wouldn't give money unless it benefits from the bribe.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
43. Writing a letter to elected officials is legalized bribery?
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

Really? Because in the strict sense of the word, lobbying refers to letters or conversations intended to influence their votes.

Many 504c nonprofits hire lobbyists to advocate for causes many of us liberals support. I think there is too much gray area regarding political advocacylobbying to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Private campaign contributions are another matter when it comes to influence. I think we should have publicly financed elections.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
45. What or who?
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:47 PM
May 2016

I addressed the issue of lobbying and how it would negatively effect our own pursuits in influencing elected officials if it were legally prohibited.
Yes monied interests have more influence and it tilts the playing field. Thus, rather than banning lobbying altogether it would be more practical to address that with campaign finance reforms.

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