2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary supporters continue making threads about how unelectable
Bernie is, but continue to complain about Bernie bringing up Hillary's ties to Wall Street. She is the nominee.
Bernie should continue to complain about the corruption in the Democratic party the revolving door of politicians, staffers, and lobbyists in both parties.
The GOP is completely sold out. I expect nothing but garbage from them, I expect a lot better from democrats.
Hillary wants to get rid of super pacs but wants to continue the broken system of bribery pre citizens united.
I find it unbelievable how many democrats are OK with corruption in the party.
You want to know why so many bills are watered or neutered to ineffective?
It's because they're bribed not to.
Lobbying is legalized bribery. Why the fuck would we want bribers writing our party platform?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Why Clinton supporters lie so much?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)only to return and make 1557 posts in 90 days with 8 of them being hidden by jury? That's some oddball stuff if you ask me. 17 posts in 8 years then 1557 in 90 days. What's the explanation for that? Brain fugue? Lingering coma? Lost in the Andes?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Seen several of these zombie accounts all the sudden go active for Hillary. And also the many new accounts that showed up in April.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)paid trolls for Hillary or Trump?
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Trump. Complete bullshit.
A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, and I've yet to read a DU poster who supports Bernie say they're voting for Trump.
Voting for a progressive 3rd party candidate is simply a refusal to support corporate ownership of the Democratic Party. I know some folks will just say "that's just the way things are, don't be naive", but I say fuck that shit. I'm too damn old to sit in the corner, biting my tongue and hoping that the Party will regain its rightful place as the Party of the People, instead of merely the pro-choice wing of the GOP. Economic justice cannot be put on hold until Team Clinton decides they have enough money and power. And the prospect of Chelsea following her parents into politics nauseates me. Hopefully she'll end the charade and just go ahead and register Republican.
Meanwhile, I will continue to vote my conscience and work to ensure the Democratic Party owes its allegiance to the people, not the powerful. It's an uphill fight, but essential for the future of America.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)up, but he won't and he shouldn't.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)if the people become convinced that the only two major parties are completely corrupt and mere tools of corporate 1%ers.
Maybe it would result in a 3rd party emerging to prominence, or it could result in widespread protest and potential violence. I'm certainly hoping for the former if the Democratic Party doesn't distance itself from some of the dark forces financing HRC's campaign. Wall Street & Corporate America are NOT on the side of the people, that much I know.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)How about "immensely"?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Baobab
(4,667 posts)for office, in 2015. Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka Trump are best friends.
This situation is profoundly wrong.
I am refusing to vote for either of their parents.
We don't need dynastic successions here in America. Nor do we need billionaire Presidents.
They are so extremely out of touch with what we need.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)You're the one helping Trumpster.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)It's up to her. By the way you ignored the rest of my post. Do you support lobbyists within the party? Especially lobbyists who work against the citizens of this nation.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)She made sure her opponents received very little exposure with only 6 debates on at shitty times on days when no one would tune in. She had a 60 point lead!
Baobab
(4,667 posts)nt
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)nation's secrets.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... that priorities have changed. Defeating Trump has become secondary to bringing down Hillary Clinton. The hatred exhibited my some Sanders supporters has replaced their "conscience" without regard to the welfare of this country and its citizens, including women, children, POC, and the LGBT community. It is an ideology that has been turned inside out, and somehow accepted as the moral position. Thankfully I believe it is a small minority and much smaller than they believe it to be. This is a personal opinion and I do not presume to speak for anyone else. Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the United States.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Scared, or are you just posting outright lies. Way to help your candidate win over people
Merryland
(1,134 posts)Bernie is much more electable than Hillary, and poll after poll shows him beating Trump by a solid margin - Trump was smart to refuse to debate him, as he would destroy Trump and Hillary in the process.
I think there will be no reconciliation in the Democratic party in the near future. Maybe indictments will help resolve things.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)totally different animal.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Bernie bringing up her and the party's corruption. The party needs to work for the people and not industry.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Industry benefits from our tax dollars.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)an "us" solution with a group that's solidly stuck in the "me".
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)That is not going to be the nominee. I thank them for keeping Bernie front and center on DU. It's the best way to defeat Donald Dump.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)and raved against capitalism, and success.... be easy pickens for rightwing to destroy how much he hates american success....his record as a pacifistic would be used against him that he can't and won't protect america.....his over the top response as an angry fist pounding old man will be used against him
soccer moms will never vote for him....trump wins
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Read the book "Listen Liberal! " Thomas Frank. The income inequality issue, the climate issue, tech won't be resolved without getting the money out of the system.
Industry wouldn't give money unless it benefits from the bribe.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Really? Because in the strict sense of the word, lobbying refers to letters or conversations intended to influence their votes.
Many 504c nonprofits hire lobbyists to advocate for causes many of us liberals support. I think there is too much gray area regarding political advocacylobbying to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Private campaign contributions are another matter when it comes to influence. I think we should have publicly financed elections.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I addressed the issue of lobbying and how it would negatively effect our own pursuits in influencing elected officials if it were legally prohibited.
Yes monied interests have more influence and it tilts the playing field. Thus, rather than banning lobbying altogether it would be more practical to address that with campaign finance reforms.