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SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:32 PM May 2016

I'm blown away by the people here who think....

that in a hypothetical debate with Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders would allow him to just call her "Crooked Hillary" and say nothing about it.

You all love to paint him as this ego-driven man. You would eat your words when he would defend her on every attack from Trump. There is absolutely no way this would damage the Party. If anything, it would accent his platform, but Trump would not walk away having scored points on either of our candidates.

If you think he would let that shit slide, you don't know this man. He loathes Donald Trump and actually deep down likes Hillary. (Sorry to burst your bubble)

“Bernie!” Clinton shouted across the room as he walked over to greet her. Sanders said quietly to an aide as they walked away, “Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but I like her.”


http://time.com/bernie-sanders-2016-campaign/
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I'm blown away by the people here who think.... (Original Post) SheenaR May 2016 OP
we don't have to paint sanders as ego driven because that is what he is... beachbum bob May 2016 #1
If he were so ego-driven, he would have run for president earlier democrattotheend May 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #6
This is so self-evident it's stunning that anyone would question it. Especially in comparison with JudyM May 2016 #11
Bernie has less ego than any politician in my memory. senz May 2016 #25
I guess we'll never know CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #2
If Sanders did defend Secretary Clinton, BS cheerleaders around here would throw him under the bus. SFnomad May 2016 #3
Depends on what he defended her for. BillZBubb May 2016 #7
No we wouldn't democrattotheend May 2016 #8
Although Trump would bring up Hillary, and Karma13612 May 2016 #5
That is the correct answer. BillZBubb May 2016 #10
+10 precisely. 'Course it's all moot now, since I guess Karma13612 May 2016 #24
Time's article should be titled "Bernie's Devolution" instead. If this is what he means by... BobbyDrake May 2016 #9
Compared to the sleazy crap that Hillary and Brock have served up, Bernie is a saint. BillZBubb May 2016 #13
Don't try to blame Hillary's problems on Bernie Baobab May 2016 #18
Bullshit madokie May 2016 #15
You've made my day madokie May 2016 #12
The hillarians think of her majesty as a persecuted fairy princess, completely pure of spirit but Doctor_J May 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #26
You can "like" someone at a personal level, procon May 2016 #16
This fantasy of mine SheenaR May 2016 #17
He was just on tv trash talking Hillary at some Calif rally. procon May 2016 #19
"Trash talking" = Telling the truth about Hillary. BillZBubb May 2016 #21
Hey you! No one is saying he CAN'T trash talk Hillary or any other politician. procon May 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #27
Yes, people who think that are just projecting their own inner nastiness, not Bernie's actual pdsimdars May 2016 #20
Yep, and we've seen that same kind of behavior for decades. vintx May 2016 #28
Many bad actors seem to employ the same tactic of accusing others of doing what THEY are doing. pdsimdars May 2016 #29
I guess we'll never know, will we. barrow-wight May 2016 #22
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. we don't have to paint sanders as ego driven because that is what he is...
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:36 PM
May 2016

you can chose to ignore that in him or not

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
4. If he were so ego-driven, he would have run for president earlier
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:40 PM
May 2016

He would not have waited until he was 74 and only then after Elizabeth Warren decided not to run.

I don't think he got into this expecting to become president. I think he did it because after Warren decided not to run, he felt there were issues that needed to be raised and that staunch progressives* should have a voice in this primary.

* I say "staunch progressives" because I don't think it's fair to say that Hillary is not progressive at all, but Bernie is clearly to the left of her on most issues besides guns.

Response to democrattotheend (Reply #4)

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
11. This is so self-evident it's stunning that anyone would question it. Especially in comparison with
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

She Who Will Not Be Denied and Who Self-Exempts From Little People's Laws.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
25. Bernie has less ego than any politician in my memory.
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

That's why his hair gets messy, he doesn't smile much, he rarely refers to himself, he speaks of "we" and "us" rather than "I" and "me."

He's just not that into himself.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
3. If Sanders did defend Secretary Clinton, BS cheerleaders around here would throw him under the bus.
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
8. No we wouldn't
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

Most of us fully expect that if he loses he will endorse Hillary and be a team player. There are signs that he is already shifting. For example, as far as I know he has not said a word about the IG report, and when Weaver was asked about it he brushed it off and declined the opportunity to pounce.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
5. Although Trump would bring up Hillary, and
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:40 PM
May 2016

Bernie would respond, I like to think that Bernie would also deflect a bit.

When given the chance, I like to think he would state that the debate is between Trump and himself, and state categorically that he is there to discuss issues, not other candidates.

Just my thoughts.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
10. That is the correct answer.
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

Bernie would keep pushing issues and policy. trump would try to change the subject, but Bernie wouldn't take the bait. He wouldn't let go on issues. In the end, trump would look even more ridiculous than he already seems.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
9. Time's article should be titled "Bernie's Devolution" instead. If this is what he means by...
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

...a "positive" and "issues-based" campaign, i.e. the one he promised to run and then didn't, then I'd genuinely hate to see what it looks like when he does go negative. I used to be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say, "Maybe he's just following bad advice from his campaign staff," but that's clearly not the case.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
13. Compared to the sleazy crap that Hillary and Brock have served up, Bernie is a saint.
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

Bernie never went after Hillary on the emails, which he absolutely should have done. He should have gone after the Clinton Foundation and the loosey goosey movement of staff between State and the Foundation. He never went after her for the disaster in Libya as he should have.

To you Hillary fans, telling the truth about Hillary is a negative.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
18. Don't try to blame Hillary's problems on Bernie
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

Her problems are entirely her own.

And the country's if we should be foolish enough to nominate her.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
15. Bullshit
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

He has been pretty damn protective of Hillary the Person. Her works and words are what campaigns are. The trails one leaves most times suggest the trails they'll follow in the future.

You are way out there on this BobbyDrake.
I'm sure I won't be reading much more of what you have to say. life is too fucking short to listen to, or put up with, this kind of bullshit

madokie

(51,076 posts)
12. You've made my day
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

I see Hillary as a flawed candidate myself but I love that Bernie and her can have a like each other relationship. That speaks well of both of them.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
14. The hillarians think of her majesty as a persecuted fairy princess, completely pure of spirit but
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

under constant attack by all of the evils of the world. That video of her lying for 15 minutes, instead of being evidence of her having no soul, is to them proof that everyone is mean to her. Her agreement with Paul Ryan on every issue of consequence, instead of being evidence of her being a corporate hack, is to them proof that her 70% disapproval rating is due entirely to sexism. Bernie embodies all that is wrong in their world - he's old, liberal, male, popular, with no corruption and no flip flops in his past. Of course he would defend her in a debate with Trump. But What tools are available to Mrs Clinton's supporters in a fight against someone like Sanders?

Response to Doctor_J (Reply #14)

procon

(15,805 posts)
16. You can "like" someone at a personal level,
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

but still tear them to shreds politically. If Sanders wanted to to say anything nice about Hillary he's had plenty of opportunities to do so at his rallies, and we know that hasn't happened. Its a lovely fantasy you've imagined, but Sanders wouldn't go to a debate and waste all that free airtime to praise his primary opponent. Of course, he would be tag teaming with Trump to bash Hillary, he'd want to score points against her to advance his chance of winning, not hand her damning footage for a new video ad.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
17. This fantasy of mine
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

is steeped in the realization of everything he has said in this campaign. The most important part being keeping a Republican out of office. He just wouldn't do it. This tag team you have dreamed up would absolutely not happen.

procon

(15,805 posts)
19. He was just on tv trash talking Hillary at some Calif rally.
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016

He sure wasn't complimentary on Jimmy Kimmel. He doesn't miss an opportunity, so why would he change his tune for a publicity stunt like a debate with trump? He's just a politician, not a saint.

procon

(15,805 posts)
23. Hey you! No one is saying he CAN'T trash talk Hillary or any other politician.
Sat May 28, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

I disagree with the OPs belief that Sanders would never join Trump in gnashing Hillary -- of course he would, and why not! -- but the OP insisted that he would defend her because he really likes her. Pffftt!

I say he's a politician, and like any other politician, he would never pass up an opportunity to score points off an opponent. It's what politicians do. Certainly Hillary has done the same and taken advantage of every opportunity to dig at Sanders weaknesses, his lies, failings, and his mistakes... you would refer to that as "telling the truth about Sanders".

See what happens when you don't read the whole thread?


Response to BillZBubb (Reply #21)

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
20. Yes, people who think that are just projecting their own inner nastiness, not Bernie's actual
Sat May 28, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

actions.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
28. Yep, and we've seen that same kind of behavior for decades.
Sat May 28, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

It used to be from the people on the other side of the aisle, though.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
29. Many bad actors seem to employ the same tactic of accusing others of doing what THEY are doing.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:27 PM
May 2016
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