as Vermonters. I will vote my conscience from her on out. The 2 party system is dead and we will be better for it.

Since Clinton is relying upon the Obama Coalition, the BoBers won't have much impact if few of them contributed to Obama's electoral college landslides. Provided they don't vote for Trump out of spite. If they vote for Stein or don't vote at all, their impact won't be felt.

I didn't say otherwise.

My concience will be clear. Not to mention, there are more than just two choices

I thought this was America.

Seriously.

they are friends, their daughters are literally best friends.

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See this- this is why I feel this way.

I know for a fact that Clinton supports this program, if the US loses the dispute in the WTO, lots of people will lose their jobs and be replaced by people making 1/4 as muuch. Read closely, if we lose, and I think that will probably be the case, because thats what the GATS says, india now has a legal right to force us to comply with WTO rules-

maybe several tens of millions of precious vanishing jobs could end up being lost if WTO rules in their favor. because the quotas that have limited these L-1 numbers would be gone.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/India-drags-US-to-WTO-over-new-visa-cap-higher-fees/articleshow/51263331.cms


Look at the first link in my sig. its about health care and the same FTA.. thats what was being done in 1994, at the same time as Hillary's health care program.

its why we are in health care limbo. During those 20+ years around 1.4 million more Americans have died than would have if we had a modern, truly universal healthcare system like other rich countries.

Do you not have any Republican friends? I do, and my daughter is best friends with the daughter of right-wing Republcians as well. That has nothing to do with my politics.

name for president. I doubt many would vote for Trump.

when BS is no longer running. They will have to vote for hillary to deny train wreck trump the presidency.

go, right?

My vote is my own. It's not going to Hillary or Trump.

on a site dedicated to the party that is itself dedicated (supposedly) to "Democracy," is plain old flabbergasting.

So no need to mark her on the ballot. See how that works!

If you are so worried that your candidate can't win the votes necessary why not switch candidates now!

can stomach. Be the change you want to see.

My vote doesn't count.
And "Bernie or Bust" is not "Bernie or Trump" unless you are afraid Hillary can't win which is my opinion and in that case voting for Hillary in the Primary is voting for Trump.

have been totally dismissive of Bernie and his supporters, it's obvious they don't think they need our votes.

They seem to forget that in the general election independents, and independently thinking Democrats still might vote. Or that they would need their votes.

Hillary may not be on the ballot either?

I see we're back to "if," so there's that, anyway.

Some people are waking up. Good sign.

They don't even try to hide it, it's a pro-Trump "movement".

that HILLARY! might not be the Second Coming, after all.

So much for "not being allowed to."

Nader's supporters also complain that Bush's victories shouldn't be blamed on them. Yet no one listens, because basic logic isn't subjective or open to debate.

I've just gotten really tired of the "if you're committed to Bernie, you're just a Rump supporter!" meme. It's insulting, and probably not the best way to woo people to the HILLARY! camp.

And, by the way, the "Nader supporters cost Gore the election" has been trashed out more times than I can count over the last fifteen years or so. By and large, it looks like Gore just flat blew it (even though he won the popular vote).

It was not a broad statement about anyone "committed to Bernie." Most people committed to Bernie in the primary will do the right thing in the general.

On the other hand, if you are saying that people who don't vote for HRC aren't aiding and abetting Trump's election, well, you should get used to the "meme" (since it happens to be accurate).

Among those who won't, I can't help but think most of them didn't vote for Obama either, meaning their impact won't be felt. Because all Clinton really needs is for most of those who voted for Obama to vote for her.

There is no such thing as "Bust". There is only "Trump". And in two weeks, the "Bernie" part will be gone, and "Bernie or Bust" will stand for Trump and only Trump.

Your argument that t's a pro-Trump "movement" is not valid.

If the people who refuse to vote for her are people who don't have a history of voting for Democratic presidential candidates, their refusal to vote for her won't be felt.

But if you don't vote for Bernie, you're voting for Trump by default.

Hillary would get crushed in a general.

After all, there's a pretty broad consensus outside of the DU bubble that says Clinton is a heavy favorite to win in November. Which blue and swing states do you foresee Trump winning?

It's done and, it doesn't matter what the Sanders supporters do, right?

No sweat. It's in the bag, right?

Among those who think Trump will win (with ease), I wonder what blue and swing states they foresee Trump winning.

And, a write-in line.

trying to earn the votes

It will be the fault of the people who nominated her. Nobody else.

so if you want me to vote for someone - convince me they will be a good candidate.

so annoying.

I voted for Bernie who can beat Trump. So, you'll have to look somewhere else for a scapegoat.

and it smells like poo-poo.

Phony "progressives" who refuse to support the progressive candidate who WILL be the nominee of the Democratic Party. Trump loves them.

Sorry, but the leader of the Not Hillary Party is Donald Trump.

It's all on her to win our support.

Somehow Fear! Fear! Just doesn't seem close to the best argument.

The lack of nuance, colors, and choices in their world is so damn sad and pitiful.

they're Bernie or the Democratic nominee.

There comes a moment of truth!

Some Democrats are going to leave the presidential ballot blank. This may or may not lead to a Trump win. This happens every election. Voters unhappy with the party choice refuse to vote,or even vote for the other party's candidate. Many Republicans will not for Trump, and a fair number will vote for Clinton. This should more than offset any Bernie or Bust voting.

Of all the available candidates, I will vote for the one that most closely represents my interests. If the Democrats want my vote, then they will nominate a candidate that earns it.

You don't like votes or something?

Unless there are a hell of a lot of BoBers who voted for Obama, it won't matter. All Clinton needs are most of those who voted for Obama to vote for her.

over and over, right here on DU.

So, as long as they don't vote for Trump, their refusal to vote for Clinton won't have any impact.

Nobody is going to do WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE, not this time. There comes a point where we have had enough and we will take a stand against the corruption from both sides that has kept us down for too damn long. We arent falling for all the lies anymore.

We are calling their bluff.