2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPURE SPECULATION: Could Bernie be staying in because he knows something we don't?
As the title indicates, this is pure speculation and not based on any kind of insider knowledge.
Many of the Hillary folks have said that Bernie sounds delusional when he talks about flipping the superdelegates. I happen to agree with them on that, as I believe it is highly unlikely that the establishment Democrats who make up the superdelegates would override the will of the primary voters to take the nomination away from someone like Hillary in favor of someone like Bernie (the other way around is a different story).
In fact, I am pretty confident the superdelegates would not do such a thing, UNLESS something happened that rendered Hillary completely unelectable. Something big enough that it would be reasonable for the supers to conclude that the voters would have chosen differently had they known (think Edwards scandal in 2008).
The other day, after the IG report came out, I was wondering if perhaps Bernie knows/knew something that we don't that plays a part in motivating him to take it all the way to the convention. At first, I thought that was unlikely, because Bernie is such an outsider and so much of the party establishment is in Hillary's corner that it's unlikely he would have an inside track on information.
But then I remembered that Tad Devine, one of Bernie's campaign managers, was one of Kerry's top people in 2004.
As the current Secretary of State, there is a decent chance Kerry knows whether the Clinton e-mail scandal is big enough to tank her candidacy, or whether there is some other scandal lurking that is totally unrelated to the e-mails. And unlike many in the party establishment, Kerry has no reason at this point to be beholden to the Clintons, and in fact he is one of the few Democrats I trust not to be given his history. But I would assume that he, like most Democrats and most sane Americans, does not want to see Trump become president.
So is it possible that he or someone who works with him could have sent some sort of a signal to the Bernie campaign, probably through Devine, that Bernie should stay in the race? Obviously, I am not talking about leaking any classified information - he wouldn't have to and I have no reason to believe he would. All he would have to do is say something innocuous if he ran into Devine at an event, something like "I hope Bernie stays in until the end."
I can't speak for all Bernie supporters, but I myself am not hoping for an indictment or any other scandal that will take down Hillary. I have accepted at this point that she will probably be the nominee. But if her actions at State with e-mail or anything else were more damning than is currently public, I sure as hell hope it comes out before it's too late. And if my theory somehow turned out to be true, I would be pretty darn grateful to Kerry for helping to prevent a President Trump.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Remember a while back President O invited Sanders to the white house and nothing was disclosed of what was talked about in that meeting. Most smart people know or can at least understand the implication of what Hill is facing concerning the 'security reviews'/ Investigations on going with her less than honest attempt to spin them.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)In my post I singled out Kerry because of the Devine connection, but you are right. It could be the president or someone close to him.
Like I said, I am not hoping for Clinton to be taken down by scandal, but if there's something that is going to come out that would hand the election to Trump I sure how it comes out soon while we still have another good option.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)Wants the Bernie "only a democrat when it suits me" Sanders to stay in the race in case something happens and Hillary can't run. Remember Obama would not say anything about Hillary because a friend Biden might jump into the race? I guess he'll just ignore Biden now?
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)And would venture to guess that if there is more that's going to come out about the e-mail scandal or anything else Hillary did at State, the president probably doesn't even know about it.
But Kerry might. Kerry also has no reason to particularly support Hillary, and his early support for Obama in 2008 makes me think he is not a big Hillary fan.
I am not sure what point you are trying to make about Biden. Are you suggesting that if Hillary is embroiled in scandal Obama has plans to get Biden nominated despite the fact that he didn't run in a single primary?
Don't get me wrong - I like Biden a lot. But I don't think it would be right for him to be nominated when he never ran, and that didn't work out so well for the party in 1968.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Things that I would have brought up.
Bluntly he's being extremely nice to her. Too nice.
But that stuff is out there and its worse than whats come out up till now, in my opinion.
if she is the nominee, it will come out. It likely wont come from Bernie. We will only have ourselves to blame.
Don't say i didn't warn you.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Is another phrase for "incoming bullshit!"
Baobab
(4,667 posts)You don't have to convince me. I am just telling you this thing.
She should not become President.
Look at the two links below this post.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)If Hillary bows out there will be considerable pressure on Biden to step in, no was is the establishment gonna let Sanders be the nominee
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Also remember his son's dying wish that he not run. How deeply could his emotional heart be in it? I think he would back Bernie. Bernie is well-liked in the Senate.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)to run is suspect to the It's Her Turn unwritten memo that went out. There were likely some teeth in that concept.
But it didn't apply to Bernie so they humored him to be a kind of foil. I'm pretty sure.he also had some unwritten memos, as well, encouraging him to run.
Alas, the best laid plans, e.g..
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I think Hillary is subject to the laws just like everyone else. The Clintons have
been reeling from one scandal to the next for decades, so what's one more or
less?
Our nation needs Bernie Sanders in the oval office, not a chronic liar who no
one trusts.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)completely blocked from getting any legislative initiatives through.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)modus operandi.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)as opposed to having decades of baggage on Hillary, stuff they only need to exaggerate or
embellish a little to make it a 'scandal'.
Plus it would be a fresh start for everyone, which would be downright refreshing, and
might bring some of the GOP along with, as Bernie is a much less polarizing figure.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)If you don't believe that, go watch The Hunting of the President.
Response to democrattotheend (Reply #49)
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)She's paranoid, and with good reason. Still the question. ..that 3 am phone call coming in to a paranoid Hawk? She doesn't have the flip flop option there, or the focus group.
That's sobering to think about.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)that too and might vote on that basis. Trump vs Bernie would be way better on that ground alone.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)Last edited Sat May 28, 2016, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)
just stay home if he were running vs Bernie. Hillary is an *icon* to so many, in a very negative way.
Truth is, this concept of which dem would bring out more "anti" voters from the right was the reason I first decided against Hillary. I could vividly picture people staying home rather than vote for anyone in the clown car, unless they got a chance to vote *against* her, and talk about that with their friends. And this is not sexist, her personality and entitlement is a huge turnoff to a lot of people, particularly on the right who also hate what Bill represents, or at least they've bought that.
Hillary came into this race already a lightning rod. Now she is even more so as a result of the curtain being lifted enough to see more of how she operates. Now it's more than just people having gotten to know and respect Bernie, it's that we are seeing the sad shallowness of her values, the corruption that seems to emanate from her actions like a Pigpen cloud (election filthiness, SOS deals-for-donations, national security cavalierness, etc.,) and the lack of focus on really making progressive progress.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)game, but Trump will likely cut the podium out from under her. ... plus there are so many playbooks read to go against Hillary. Bernie is a new game.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)My point is, I am hoping that she didn't do anything that would cause her to be indicted or prosecuted.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)We need to get out of this bad, soon to become irreversible health care situation.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Obama's been rope-a-dopin' Hillary all along. The look he gives when he talks about her reminds me of the look he had in the debate where he said something like "they like you enough, Hillary". The most recent that I saw was @ the correspondents dinner where he joked about her being tech savvy...the laugh afterword.."Ha Ha" OMG I almost spit take'd.
He knows how bad she can be, better than almost anyone. He knows that she did all of this w/ Blumenthal after he told her not to. that, IMHO, is why he's giving her enough rope to hang herself with.
tblue37
(65,423 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)tblue37
(65,423 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Obama said no thanks to the question.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)and Trump is a master at taking people down. He likely views her as just another entity in his way. Whatever, it won't be a shoe in for Hillary, I don't think.
madokie
(51,076 posts)so by that her staying in the race as it is now worries me even more
Indpndntfrombirth
(9 posts)Biden is likeable. Hillary just makes a lot of people's skin crawl. Repulsive to many.
Demsrule86
(68,600 posts)Obama can't stand Bernie.No one really likes him except Harry Reid they say.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Kerry is connected.
Bernie is in it to win it.
It was just a matter of time before Hillary was caught red-handed.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)If there's anything to the idea that prominent people want Bernie to stay in, it's because smart people make contingency plans. Here's what I think is going on:
I think the Democratic establishment is confident that the email scandal will blow over and that Hillary should be the nominee. However, I think they all have a backup plan in the unlikely event that she has to withdraw for some reason. It would be dumb not to have a backup plan. The possible Biden candidacy in the fall last year was a trial balloon to see what kind of support another establishment candidate would get.
I think there is a divide within the party insiders about what to do in the case that Hillary has to withdraw. Some people think she should push her delegates towards another insider (probably Biden) and just ignore Bernie. Others believe that such a move would piss off the left so much that it would split the party, so they want Bernie to amass enough pledged delegates that he has a strong chance to win a contested convention. It makes it a lot easier for Bernie to win in that scenario if he goes in with 40% of the delegates locked up instead of 30%, because the free Clinton delegates and all the Superdelegates are not all going to get behind them, but he doesn't need them all, he just needs enough to get a majority.
The latter scenario is what Bernie's camp is operating under, to be honest. They aren't explicitly saying it but that is part of their calculation. My speculation that other people in the party think it's good to let Bernie stick around for that reason is, just speculation.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I think there are two possibilities:
1) Bernie is fighting hard for every last vote because he wants to influence the party platform and/or because he made a commitment to everyone who supported him to stay in and keep fighting until the end (very possible, given the kind of politician Bernie is); or
2) Bernie is fighting hard for every last vote for the reasons you listed, and perhaps because someone on the inside has given him reason to believe the party might need a backup. Kerry is the most logical person to have done so, but certainly not the only one who could have.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)persona might be.
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)and only He is Saviour of All Mankind.
basselope
(2,565 posts)However, there is an active investigation AND she did not secure enough pledged delegates, so it would be foolish to back out.
Further, as each poll comes out, she is showing to be a weaker and weaker candidate. VA is now tied, North Carolina is underwater. State after state that were once considered "safe" are becoming toss ups.
She can't even break 50% in California.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)There was a time before the financial crisis when his campaign was floundering, and there were a few in the party establishment who were suggesting that Hillary could still be nominated.
If the e-mail scandal blows up and Hillary looks unelectable by the convention because of it, she needs to be replaced. But as a general rule I would not support the superdelegates overriding the will of the primary voters just because the candidate who won the most primary votes is not polling well at the moment. That would set a bad precedent, IMO.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Look.. if it was up to me, there would be no super delegates, no caucuses and all primaries would be open.
We would ALSO have cross party debates during the primary process.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)After MGovern lost 49 states in 1972, the party elders decided there needed to be a mechanism to prevent the Democratic primary voters and especially caucus goers, who tend to be more liberal than the party as a whole, from nominating someone "too liberal" to win a general election.
Personally, I don't think McGovern lost because he was too liberal, but that's a whole other debate.
basselope
(2,565 posts)TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)She'll have enough pledged delegates when the polls close on June 7th.
As for the PPI poll, it has some significant math errors and the cross-tab information doesn't match their overall totals. I wouldn't be too quick to put much faith in it. 538 is treating it as an outlier.
basselope
(2,565 posts)She has no chance to have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination.. she NEEDS the superdelegates to put her over the top, as does Bernie.
The PPI poll is following the same trend that many other polls are confirming.
Clinton has a hard ceiling of support and no ability to drive turnout. She has no path to victory in November.
mythology
(9,527 posts)why has he gotten the majority of his delegates from low turnout caucuses? Clinton has won more open primaries than Sanders has won open and closed primaries. The only reason Sanders is remotely close is because of low turnout caucuses. The available evidence from the primaries and caucuses says that of the two, Clinton is better at creating turnout.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Most of those open primaries touted were from very early in the process before Sanders had the resources to compete and experienced extremely low voter turnout.
She has no path and no ability to drive turnout.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Hillary's reckoning is in progress.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)If he dropped out, I assume Biden would get it by default.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)to Biden or some other controllable pick whether Bernie is still in or not. They will not permit a populist to occupy the White House, or lead the Democratic Party.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)whether Bernie is still in or not.
*Fixed.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)But I think if the Party compromised and Bernie signed off on say, Elizabeth Warren, it might unite the party. Biden is also fairly popular, and while I don't agree with him on many economic issue, I will give him credit for at least having the courage to be out in front of most other moderate to conservative Dems on gay marriage.
I'm sure the Clintons would want to put Chelsea or Terry McAuliffe (sp?) on the ticket... And I don't think HRC would voluntarily step aside. I think nothing short of an indictment & conviction would convince her that she's damaged goods.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)The American Left is both under and un-represented in our current political system. I tend to lean towards Bernie has an obligation to the millions of people whom he represents. IMO, Bernie understands that he is simply the vessel by which millions of us are pushing our message. I do believe that Bernie is hearing stuff, but I tend to believe that he has his eye on the prize.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I do disagree with those on both sides who seem to think that Bernie genuinely believes that, absent something that renders Hillary completely unelectable or unable to serve, he could flip the superdelegates. He is not stupid. He is either staying in to raise issues and honor his commitment to his supporters, and/or because someone has given him reason to believe the party might need a backup. Of course, the two are not mutually exclusive. And Kerry is not the only person who could have given him a signal - he is just the most likely that I can think of given the circumstances.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)He does not act as if he is anything but doggedly plugging away, and the fact an INDEPENDENT with no ties to the DNC or fears of them stepped up at age 74 --
He knows where stuff is going, and he is keeping clean hands while she goes down.
<-- I am not a Washington Insider. Pure gut.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Judging from his picking fights with the DNC over just about everything, his motivation is clearly his ego.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)He waited until he was 74 to run for president, and only did so after some progressive activists urged him to run when Elizabeth Warren decided not to.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Only after Warren made it clear she Was Not Running.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)that want to change the system. That doesn't mean the possibilities of outcomes isn't in the back of his mind. But I think he is staying in because of us.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)The Democratic Party is foolishly hedging that anointing Hillary as "presumptive nominee" will discourage the FBI from recommending indictment.
Pelosi hasn't been willing to hedge, and after Guccifer got that plea deal this week, it certainly looks like she was right not to.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)However, Pelosi from what I understand is not the biggest Hillary fan, and her politics are more in line with Bernie's. Plus, I think if people like Pelosi knew there was more to the scandal there would be less rush to anoint Hillary. I think it's more likely that there is stuff that only the FBI and/or the State Department know at this point. The president might not even know, because he has been careful not to get involved in the investigation.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...but I think people like Obama, DWS and Pelosi know way more about the investigation than we do.
If I were to speculate, I would say the only way the FBI would recommend indictment would be if there was evidence Hillary's emails were obtained by a foreign government. The risk that a sitting President could be so horribly embarrassed by a foreign power, or worse, blackmailed, can simply not be tolerated.
Well, the FBI certainly seems to be full steam ahead, and Guccifer, who claims to have her emails downloaded, was just given a plea deal in exchange for cooperation, so draw your own conclusions.
It is a bit interesting that, if he has them, which the Feds sure seem to think he does, that he never published these, which is a stark contrast to his other victims. Why might that be? $$
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)And I think if the president knew it were as serious as you suggest he'd be pushing her to step aside for health reasons. I don't think it's that horrible, but I think it's enough to weaken Hillary enough that Trump could win, and that prospect is downright scary.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Maybe she and Boxer covering both bases?
TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)but his current encouragement surely goes to the heart of the Democratic party.
Some here who make fun of his recent party change should take note of this. He was not working with the Third Way Wing all these years,, to be sure.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)"Presidents have always been told by really smart people: 'Don't push something that you can't succeed in it diminishes your power,'" he said. "I completely disagree with that proposition."
"Everything I've ever cared about with the exception of the President's brilliant passage of the Affordable Care Act takes time," he added. "The only way to get these big things done is talk about them."
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)At the first microphone....delusions just keep coming...Hillary won
Sanders lost
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)knows that 2016 is his last chance for the power and acclaim he's always believed he deserved. How's his physical health? Everybody can see his mental health has deteriorated to the point where his delusions of grandeur have taken over. Maybe he has some terminal disease.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Uh huh. Right.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)As for me, I agree that it's possible but think there's enough reason for him to stay in based just on what's public about Clinton now.
Plus - it is a close race in Cali - and he has been polling consistently better against tRump and far higher on trust.
Plus even without all that, his commitment to let everyone have a say in this primary... that is psychologically important to his supporters. It also buys him potentially greater voice not only at the Convention, but in the Senate, going forward.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)nt
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Magic unicorn
Skink
(10,122 posts)Or pages of emails contained some of the wall street speech writing.
Zambero
(8,965 posts)At least 100 most days. Please don't tell the FBI.
Skink
(10,122 posts)Like support for fracking in Bulgaria.
Zambero
(8,965 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Camp has said a WORD about the email/server issue since Bernie snapped ' I'm tired about hearing about these emails...' (Paraphrased).
NOT ONE WORD. Why?
Because he knows if he politicizes it, it becomes a political game, not a legal matter......
Pundits and camp followers, of course have been yammering about it, but it the candidate or his minions.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Urchin
(248 posts)If Sanders demonstrates enough support throughout the USA, it will send a message to the political establishment and serve as further encouragement to his supporters, that with every election going forward, it will be less and less likely that business as usual candidates will be elected to office.
And it will encourage the next "Bernie Sanders" to run because the next time someone like Bernie runs, they will likely win the nomination and go on to win the presidency.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)So that he could run again if he doesn't get it this time.
But yeah, I think that no matter what, the fact that he has come this far sends a pretty powerful message.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)with a Bernie type in mind. He will, IMO, be considered the Leader of the modern Progressive/Liberal Movement.
jamese777
(546 posts)primaries and/or caucuses. People who choose to vote Democratic in those contests will decide Senator Sanders' and Hillary Clinton's electoral fate.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)The sooner she picks a VP the better.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Gothmog
(145,353 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I'm sure there are more. This says more about you than those you would mock.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)decent, balanced and rational way, even if it references backup plans I've never read about in anything from the NY Times to The Hill to The Atlantic to Mother Jones, at least not since Biden dropped out and all the speculation involving him died.
As for Sanders knowing something special that others don't, I don't personally find that credible. He's a loner and an outsider, and we see why from his behavior. If he and the DNC all knew we might need him to become president, his behaviors would not make sense. Quite the contrary.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)It's also interesting that SOS Kerry called for the IG investigation into SOS Hillary Clinton. ..
Things that make you go hmmmmm.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Do you have a link for that?
That lends more credence to my theory, which as I said is just speculation.
sorechasm
(631 posts)Who was one of the first liberals to demand Nixon's impeachment making way for Jimmy Carter's run in 1976?
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/watergate-vignette-john-kerrys-violence-group-why-break-in-happened-said-james-mccord-watergate-committee-testimony-then-dnc-watergate-staffer-bob-weiner-asked-kerrys-youth-vote-help-in-72-159166625.html
Who brought down BCCI and consequently tarnished GHWB's 1992 bid for the Presidency, to help Democrats win in 1992?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html
Who selected the future PBO to be the keynote speaker for the 2004 Democratic Convention giving him national profile?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Democratic_National_Convention_keynote_address
Who has changed our international reputation from 'regime change' to peace makers?
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2016/01/20-interim-assessment-john-kerry-ohanlon
John Kerry.
Your speculation would not be unprecedented.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Remember before there is a tendency to sharpen up the steak knives, the pledged delegates are pledged to Hillary will remain pledged to her unless she releases them. She has not released them.
Since there seems to be some who are very willing to have Hillary indicted remember this, there is now investigation into the Burlington College where there was an effort to get the banks to give a loan while Jane Sanders was president and perhaps some exchanges between Bernie and the banks, perhaps fraud.
There is also the FEC sending a second letter to the Sanders campaign about overages on donations from individuals, a list of names and the amount of donations, on the second letter he has ask for an extension, he is low on funds, will probably have to return money and is still spending, is this willful disregard for the FEC laws, it will probably be investigated.
So before you get ready to eat the steak, find out if a steak is on the way.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Hopefully, though, we don't have to put up with hurt-feeling Bernie supporters going all "Clinton PUMA" like we did in 2008.
Personally, I think he's staying in because he's got an important message and has a national platform. Neither Sanders nor Clinton are Donald Trump: they're not bashing each other or screaming about how awesome they are. Both of them have done an excellent job of talking about real things, of real importance, using real facts.
There's also a tiny, tiny chance that, by the time the convention rolls around, something terrible happens to Clinton. An indictment, some new manufactured scandal, polls showing her losing to Trump by twenty points.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Good work.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)I'm sure he knows more than I do about it.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)There shall be quite a rumpus.
jfern
(5,204 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)I believe that it was more than a little chat about the weather.
Further if the FBI's investigation has found evidence that ties the Clinton Foundation to pay for play in arms deals then the jig is up.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I think Obama met with him to show that he is committed to staying neutral and having a fair primary process. I believe the meeting was scheduled after he had lunch with Hillary and some people complained that he was biased.
If Obama knew something back in January when he met with Bernie that would render Hillary unelectable, he would have either pushed her not to run or pushed Biden to get in.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Demsrule86
(68,600 posts)He is angry and spiteful.
november3rd
(1,113 posts)Obama's State Department IG reports that Clinton deliberately violated Departmental policy and the Federal Records Act by secretly conducting business on a private server.
She required her Aministration to deceive the country about the use of the private server.
The private server created a lack of transparency in government operations which is a long-established crime in American government service.
Her deletion of 30,000 emails only emphasizes her contempt for the law and the principle of government transparency, and it demonstrates her willingness to cover up wrongdoing by deceiving the American people and mendaciously refusing responsibility for her actions.
Sorry, it's time for her to bow out; she's unfit to hold any public office.