2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNo, Bernie Sanders Didn't Enter a Rally to a Homophobic DMX Song
In what may be one of the most confusing episodes featuring an allegedly doctored video from this already very weird nominating contest, the Bernie Sanders campaign is staunchly denying that the senator entered a rally to an extremely homophobic DMX song in California earlier this week. The reports began on Thursday, when a video popped up on YouTube and Twitter that appeared to show Sanders entering a rally in California to DMXs Where the Hood At?...
...Except none of it actually happened, according to the Sanders campaign. Never thought I'd have to say this, but no @BernieSanders did not walk out to a #DMX song in Lancaster earlier this week, Sanders press secretary wrote on Twitter.
Warren Gill, another Sanders spokesperson, also denied the song was used. Someone ripped the music from this video and placed it over Sanders entrance, Gill told the Washington Blade.
Other videos from that rally also dont seem to have any DMX music playing. And the campaign provided its own clip to prove its point...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/28/sanders_campaign_denies_senator_played_homophobic_dmx_song_at_rally.html
Nothing to "vet" so they make shit up...again.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Let them take hold and never acknowledge the mistake.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)If the Clinton campaign couldn't vet Sanders in a year, how the hell are they going to vet Trump in 4 months?
Answer: They did and there just ain't nothin' there.
tblue37
(65,423 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Where the poster was attempting to insult the Sanders supporter who argued with Bill Clinton about NAFTA. This post implies that the Sanders supporter is ignorant because GHW Bush signed NAFTA (which is a lie).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2058605
Here is a picture of Bill Clinton signing NAFTA into law, after pushing it through Congress.
So it's clear that Clinton supporters and even senior campaign staff are willing to lie and deceive.
vintx
(1,748 posts)There's always that possibility.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)the perpetrator wants on a new video that is attempting to smear Bernie. The video without music contains crowd cheering throughout his entrance, no music, and then Bernie speaking. One simply needs to fade up additional music over this and then fade it down or even just cut it off.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)7 threads on this topic all on page 1.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Somehow this is supposed to make us forget about the server and lies about it.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I think all but 1 or 2 are about how the story was bogus and were started by Sanders supporters.
Why keep starting thread after thread on this topic when it's so obvious there are already threads on this topic? That's a question I ask every time I come to this site.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)This is not the first thread, but it should be the last.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)How many is enough?
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)This particular one followed one with the exact same title.
choie
(4,111 posts)that spread that lie - Brock's minions are working overtime and every meme is a lie.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I can't speak to what might be on other sites.
And I've seen no evidence that David Brock was behind this story. Or non-story, rather. It seems to be much bigger news at DU than it is elsewhere.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)If you don't want to read about a subject (as was CLEARLY defined in the OP's title), don't open the fucking thread. Getting all butthurt because someone put "too many" threads about a topic, is on you, not them.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Nor am I policing. If I was policing, I'd be taking the threads down. I'm commenting on yet another example of this DU habit of repeat threads.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)All over the board complaining about it seems kinda butthurt to me.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Do you honestly disagree that 7 threads (5 of which refute the bogus story) on this topic is excessive and cluttering? If Clinton had been the target of some bogus tale and there were 7 threads about it, would you feel the same way? I know I would.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)The forum is gonna run out of room because "this topic is excessive and cluttering."
Oh what will we ever do?
BTW, I wouldn't give a shit if there were a hundred negative threads on Clinton (or Bernie) for the same subject. Nor would I whine it being so, I just wouldn't click on them. Problem solved.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Who initiated the bogus tale?
choie
(4,111 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)That's going to be a big story.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Post after post attributes it to some unknown "they" or to David Brock.
But I've learned that evidence isn't much of a priority here at DU.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)This really has jumped into the team of disgusting and pathetic, but I have come to expect nothing less from the Brock crowd.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)The other 5 threads on the topic are about how the story was made up.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Now where's that other one....
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...because their candidate is looking down the indictment barrel.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Do you know who initiated the bogus tale?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)While they do that... ok, this is sad on the part of whoever is doing it. breaking walls maybe? They are building them. And no Sanders does not come to the stage with music.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Do you know who initiated the bogus tale?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)or some radical HRC supporters.
Suffice it to say, this will ensure that MORE PEOPLE will not vote for her.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but I know for a fact that he does not enter the stage with music. He is introduced by whoever headlines and he walks up without it. That makes it very easy. Hey, for all you know it could be a Republcians dirty trick, but they do not make sense at this point
So you use a wonderful thing called Occam's razor. Who benefits? And it is ugly.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I guess that's my point.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Bernie or Bust!
jonmac511
(46 posts)I never thought Bernie is/was perfect and if something happened, like this, I believe he has earned the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't sure if there was a mix up and it was true, at first, but if it was, I would have expected a sincere apology and reprimands to the party/s responsible. The man has a career of integrity on his side and, in my eyes, deserves the chance to explain. Unfortunately Secretary Clinton has not earned that benefit and, quite to the contrary, any explanation would be seen with skepticism. Where Bernie has a history of integrity she has a history of tap dancing around the truth and doubling down on misspoken words. Sorry if that is seen as wrong by anyone but just being a Democrat doesn't mean ones own merits mean nothing.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)This has been refuted- there's clear video showing Bernie entering without music. Someone created this video and faux story to smear him.
In my rush to supply reasoning for why his supporters were defending him, before the whole truth came out and proved it was fake, I failed to address the actual fraud itself. I had found that out but did a poor job in making that clear. Sorry about that.
QC
(26,371 posts)Honestly, what sort of person would associate with someone as filthy as David "Little Bit Nutty and a Little Bit Slutty" Brock?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)First it was a sky full of flying chairs...
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Has he repudiated the person who overdubbed the youtube video, yet? WHY NOT?
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...it is hard to believe this primary has sunk as low as it has. This really takes the cake. So far, anyway.
Peachhead22
(1,078 posts)This may be a slightly unpopular view, but I'm not opposed to a little fuckery by Hillary's crew (or Bernie's or whoever). But not against a fellow Democrat. Save that crap for the GE against Trump. But you know your dirty tricks guy (Brock) sucks. Because the dirty tricks keep on getting caught.
If either of our candidates do something this transparent and easily debunked in the GE we WILL lose. The independents and undecideds will turn against our candidate in a heartbeat.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)rovian: divide the dems at all costs.
brockian: sling shit at sanders at all costs.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Not a coincidence, imo.
"One of the few things I really haven't enjoyed about this primary: I think it's fine that all these young students have been so enthusiastic for her opponent and (he) sounds so good: 'Just shoot every third person on Wall Street and everything will be fine,'" Clinton said at an event in Fort Washington, New York. He pointed to fewer people working on Wall Street since the Dodd-Frank Act was passed as proof that financial reforms that his wife supports are effective.
What a calumny to make against such a vast number of young committed people. And so many applauded it. Because it's OK when it's done to young supporters of Sanders.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Anyone?
No?
Camp weathervane tries to smear bernie and fails AGAIN
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Oh wait, I think I know ...
b-r-o-c-k
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TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Probably one who will shortly write about how they just no longer feel the bern.
Yes, it is quite possible the person is really a Sanders supporter and did something really dumb. But when one candidate is paying a lot of money for astroturf, there's going to be suspicion of astroturf.
TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)which was ALL too easy becuase they are fucking desperate for anything to distract people from Hillary's (latest) epsiode of Lie, Lie, and Lie Some More! (Cause if you do it enough, it becomes true! Right, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, etc?)
What I wonder is -
HOW did the HRC loving media even SEE those tweets (he gets almost NO attention on Twitter)?
WHY did the HRC loving media snap the video up and plaster it all over the net with ZERO fact-checking?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Despite doing very little to actually promote his "experiment", they just happened to find him. Entirely by chance.
Again, it is entirely possible the guy's just a random idiot. But that doesn't quite explain the whole story.
Or the coverage that started with "homophobic music!!!!....wait, something weird is happening, but still homophobic music!!!......oh, it was just a Sanders supporter". Are we supposed to believe they are that incompetent that they go with a random YouTube video as the definitive proof until the Sanders supporter says "Haha!! Got you!!"
mainer
(12,022 posts)It makes no sense. Unless he just claims to be a Sanders supporter and is really working for Hillary.
vintx
(1,748 posts)but I bet he saw how quickly the M$M ran to bleat and warble about THEY'RE SO VIOLENT THEY'RE THROWING CHAIRS OMGGGGGAAH and figured he'd get in on the so-desperate-they'll-print-ANYTHING-to-distract-people action.
Worked pretty well I'd say.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)You mean to tell me all of those evidence-less accusations were baseless?!? But, but, but that's so unlike DU. Next you're going to tell me that many of the arguments put forth on DU are straw man arguments.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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amborin
(16,631 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)You wouldn't have just happened to have somehow missed that other recent clinton camp, would you?
What on earth makes you act like this is the first time the HRC-hawking media hasn't catapulted her camp's lies before?