2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs Barack Obama proving how wrong Al Gore was?
I just keep watching how good Bill Clinton is campaigning. And I think? If Al Gore had used Bill Clinton even sparingly in the 2000 election, how different would the next 8 years have been?
Yes, I know Bill Clinton has better standing with the public now than in 2000. But Clinton was the sitting President, working with a budget surplus, and 23 million jobs created over the last 8 years.
Are you telling me he couldn't have flipped a couple of votes?
Not using Bill Clinton might have been Al Gore's biggest mistake. Thankfully, Obama is a man of history.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)RichGirl
(4,119 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)had he used Clinton.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Mr. Gore's absence on the campaign trail this year has been noticed, however.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)footprints, jetting all around....And he can put an insomniac to sleep.... I think he was out there earlier, but he's probably pouting because climate change has not been on the agenda for this campaign.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Dr Claw
(51 posts)I'm good with that.
ItsTheMediaStupid
(2,800 posts)Eight years of peace and prosperity.
Budget surpluses.
He wouldn't have had to mention Clinton a lot to do that.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)12 years later Obama is.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Yes Gore still won, but no. Imagine if at just one Florida rally he had Bill Clinton there to rally and GOTV. We'd be living in a post utopian World compared to the Treasury heist and incompetence we got from the GOP, Bushies and the minions of their cronies.
VirginiaTarheel
(823 posts)whereas, it was relatively fresh when Gore was running, and polling indicated that there was some level of "Clinton fatigue" at that time. That being said, Gore did not run on the successful record of his administration. He could have handled Clinton at arms' length while crowing about the administration's record. He acted like he was not even part of the Clinton administration.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)brooklynite
(94,597 posts)...can anyone think of a compelling message he offered?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The country didn't care about the Lewinsky affair. But the pundits insisted it was a huge deal, and Gore listened to the pundits.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)I find. lol.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)that the sanctimonious Mr. & Mrs. Gore made a major mistake distancing themselves from him. I thought it was a mistake during the campaign of 2000. There were many political insiders who also thought it was a bad decision. Self-righteousness is usually it's own punishment. That bad decision gave us 8 years of Bush...I have no respect for either of the Gores.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)The people upset with Clinton weren't going to vote for Gore anyway. But the base (especially African Americans) still loved him. I think he could have made a difference.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)but most people didn't care about the Lewinsky affair and he was still popular enough that he didn't damage the party label...Gore won the popular vote and Clinton would have won him FL....not even Jeb's shenanigans could have over come a bunch of Clinton visits.
A lot of time has passed since then. People have forgotten how much the nation was affected by the scandal at the time.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Pundits threw a hissy fit. The country said "So what?"
Tumbulu
(6,291 posts)everyone forgets about the toxicity of the hate media at the time polluting our minds- the pollution that has no clean up plan in sight still.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)That Gore has done a lot with current TV. I would vote for him in 2016, though we know damned well it is VOTE FOR HILLARY or else.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I vaguely remember a fable I read while I was in second grade. It was about a crocodile trying to convince a dog to drink water from the river the croc was swimming in. The dog declined, and the story ended with the reptile telling the dog something like what a wise dog he was to not follow his enemy advice.
That's what Gore did. Followed the advice of people who hated Clinton; therefore most likely hated him and the Democratic Party. He tried so hard to please people who would never vote for him; in the process he lost what could have been one of his greatest assets. He would have won with a margin too wide to be stolen
It was his loss, our loss, the nation's loss.
Things would have been so different with him as president.
It still hurts, even after all these years,
fanfan0711
(46 posts)Gore ran a few years after the Lewinsky debacle. I don't think he had a choice but to sideline Clinton. Years later all is forgotten and Clinton is the greatest thing since sliced bread (to everyone but me it seems), but that wasn't always the case.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)fujiyama
(15,185 posts)There were a lot of people going on about "Clinton fatigue" and "scandals" at the time. But Gore didn't strike the right balance. Instead of running a campaign based on an eight year record of peace and prosperity, he declared himself his own man, frenched Tipper at the convention, and then picked that insufferably sanctimonious douchebag, Lieberman, as his vice president.
Gore was in a bind. But his campaign was a mess. And then there were the debates and "earth tones". Wow, makes me all the more grateful for the targeted Chicago team, as opposed to hacks like Shrum and Brazile.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)There were some places where a Clinton appearance would have dragged Gore's numbers down, for instance certain very red, moralistic states. Geez, there are some states which STILL have not forgiven Clinton for his indiscretion. I don't understand that. If Hillary can forgive him, why can't everyone else?
Sam
bemildred
(90,061 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)I just want to remind everyone of that. He won the popular vote by more than any previous candidate (a half million votes I believe). And 537 strained-out votes in Florida, together with the Supreme Court, was all that made the Pretender president.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)He made mistakes campaigning but would have been a very good President.