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aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:45 PM Nov 2012

Is Barack Obama proving how wrong Al Gore was?

I just keep watching how good Bill Clinton is campaigning. And I think? If Al Gore had used Bill Clinton even sparingly in the 2000 election, how different would the next 8 years have been?


Yes, I know Bill Clinton has better standing with the public now than in 2000. But Clinton was the sitting President, working with a budget surplus, and 23 million jobs created over the last 8 years.


Are you telling me he couldn't have flipped a couple of votes?


Not using Bill Clinton might have been Al Gore's biggest mistake. Thankfully, Obama is a man of history.

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Is Barack Obama proving how wrong Al Gore was? (Original Post) aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 OP
I just said just this thing this to my hubby and dad last night <eom> dorkzilla Nov 2012 #1
It was too soon after the big.....you know..... RichGirl Nov 2012 #2
Al Gore won anyway. JRLeft Nov 2012 #3
Yes, but maybe he could have won by a margin that made it more difficult to steal WI_DEM Nov 2012 #34
I think you may be right bluestateguy Nov 2012 #4
By whom....I certainly don't miss him, do you? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #10
It's not a big deal, but another surrogate would always help bluestateguy Nov 2012 #13
Gore has damaged his own image...huge houses with big carbon Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #21
Funny, I didn't think about it until now. nt aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #14
he's brought us CurrentTV. Dr Claw Nov 2012 #31
Gore screwed up monumentally by not talking about Clinton's economic record ItsTheMediaStupid Nov 2012 #5
Its amazing how Gore didn't run on the Clinton record, but aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #9
Shows intelligence to run on your strengths. Obama's got it right! ffr Nov 2012 #33
To be fair to Gore, we are almost 15 years removed from Lewinsky VirginiaTarheel Nov 2012 #6
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #15
Even in 2000 I thought Gore ran a lousy campaign... brooklynite Nov 2012 #17
The only people that cared live in DC. jeff47 Nov 2012 #28
Lets just blame Nader, its more unifying BootinUp Nov 2012 #7
I have always believed Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #8
I thought so too. Didn't Clinton have a 60% approval rating when he left office? aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #12
I can't say, Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #18
No Egnever Nov 2012 #11
Um...the nation wasn't affected at all. jeff47 Nov 2012 #29
I agree with you Tumbulu Nov 2012 #35
I blame Lieberman n/t ejbr Nov 2012 #16
Al Gore did win. Jeb Bush flipped Florida for his brother. Gore won Florida, Bush stole it barbiegeek Nov 2012 #19
It should be noted DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #20
ITA. I've always believed that lunamagica Nov 2012 #22
Presidents are only great retroactively fanfan0711 Nov 2012 #23
Actually, President Clinton left office with a VERY high approval rating. eom lunamagica Nov 2012 #24
Gore started overcompensating for the Lewinsky thing fujiyama Nov 2012 #25
Clinton did campaign for Gore in 2000 but only in certain areas Samantha Nov 2012 #26
Lieberman, that was Gore's biggest mistake. nt bemildred Nov 2012 #27
Gore won frazzled Nov 2012 #30
Exactly. I was never mad at Al Gore. I was angry Bush and his cronies and the Supreme Court. Jennicut Nov 2012 #32

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
34. Yes, but maybe he could have won by a margin that made it more difficult to steal
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:58 PM
Nov 2012

had he used Clinton.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
21. Gore has damaged his own image...huge houses with big carbon
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:05 PM
Nov 2012

footprints, jetting all around....And he can put an insomniac to sleep.... I think he was out there earlier, but he's probably pouting because climate change has not been on the agenda for this campaign.

ItsTheMediaStupid

(2,800 posts)
5. Gore screwed up monumentally by not talking about Clinton's economic record
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:52 PM
Nov 2012

Eight years of peace and prosperity.

Budget surpluses.

He wouldn't have had to mention Clinton a lot to do that.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
33. Shows intelligence to run on your strengths. Obama's got it right!
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:55 PM
Nov 2012

Yes Gore still won, but no. Imagine if at just one Florida rally he had Bill Clinton there to rally and GOTV. We'd be living in a post utopian World compared to the Treasury heist and incompetence we got from the GOP, Bushies and the minions of their cronies.

VirginiaTarheel

(823 posts)
6. To be fair to Gore, we are almost 15 years removed from Lewinsky
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:53 PM
Nov 2012

whereas, it was relatively fresh when Gore was running, and polling indicated that there was some level of "Clinton fatigue" at that time. That being said, Gore did not run on the successful record of his administration. He could have handled Clinton at arms' length while crowing about the administration's record. He acted like he was not even part of the Clinton administration.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
17. Even in 2000 I thought Gore ran a lousy campaign...
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:01 PM
Nov 2012

...can anyone think of a compelling message he offered?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
28. The only people that cared live in DC.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

The country didn't care about the Lewinsky affair. But the pundits insisted it was a huge deal, and Gore listened to the pundits.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
8. I have always believed
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:54 PM
Nov 2012

that the sanctimonious Mr. & Mrs. Gore made a major mistake distancing themselves from him. I thought it was a mistake during the campaign of 2000. There were many political insiders who also thought it was a bad decision. Self-righteousness is usually it's own punishment. That bad decision gave us 8 years of Bush...I have no respect for either of the Gores.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
12. I thought so too. Didn't Clinton have a 60% approval rating when he left office?
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:56 PM
Nov 2012


The people upset with Clinton weren't going to vote for Gore anyway. But the base (especially African Americans) still loved him. I think he could have made a difference.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
18. I can't say,
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:02 PM
Nov 2012

but most people didn't care about the Lewinsky affair and he was still popular enough that he didn't damage the party label...Gore won the popular vote and Clinton would have won him FL....not even Jeb's shenanigans could have over come a bunch of Clinton visits.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
11. No
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:55 PM
Nov 2012

A lot of time has passed since then. People have forgotten how much the nation was affected by the scandal at the time.

Tumbulu

(6,291 posts)
35. I agree with you
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:58 PM
Nov 2012

everyone forgets about the toxicity of the hate media at the time polluting our minds- the pollution that has no clean up plan in sight still.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
20. It should be noted
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:03 PM
Nov 2012

That Gore has done a lot with current TV. I would vote for him in 2016, though we know damned well it is VOTE FOR HILLARY or else.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
22. ITA. I've always believed that
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:12 PM
Nov 2012

I vaguely remember a fable I read while I was in second grade. It was about a crocodile trying to convince a dog to drink water from the river the croc was swimming in. The dog declined, and the story ended with the reptile telling the dog something like what a wise dog he was to not follow his enemy advice.

That's what Gore did. Followed the advice of people who hated Clinton; therefore most likely hated him and the Democratic Party. He tried so hard to please people who would never vote for him; in the process he lost what could have been one of his greatest assets. He would have won with a margin too wide to be stolen

It was his loss, our loss, the nation's loss.

Things would have been so different with him as president.

It still hurts, even after all these years,

fanfan0711

(46 posts)
23. Presidents are only great retroactively
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:36 PM
Nov 2012

Gore ran a few years after the Lewinsky debacle. I don't think he had a choice but to sideline Clinton. Years later all is forgotten and Clinton is the greatest thing since sliced bread (to everyone but me it seems), but that wasn't always the case.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
25. Gore started overcompensating for the Lewinsky thing
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:20 AM
Nov 2012

There were a lot of people going on about "Clinton fatigue" and "scandals" at the time. But Gore didn't strike the right balance. Instead of running a campaign based on an eight year record of peace and prosperity, he declared himself his own man, frenched Tipper at the convention, and then picked that insufferably sanctimonious douchebag, Lieberman, as his vice president.

Gore was in a bind. But his campaign was a mess. And then there were the debates and "earth tones". Wow, makes me all the more grateful for the targeted Chicago team, as opposed to hacks like Shrum and Brazile.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
26. Clinton did campaign for Gore in 2000 but only in certain areas
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:49 AM
Nov 2012

There were some places where a Clinton appearance would have dragged Gore's numbers down, for instance certain very red, moralistic states. Geez, there are some states which STILL have not forgiven Clinton for his indiscretion. I don't understand that. If Hillary can forgive him, why can't everyone else?

Sam

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
30. Gore won
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:43 PM
Nov 2012

I just want to remind everyone of that. He won the popular vote by more than any previous candidate (a half million votes I believe). And 537 strained-out votes in Florida, together with the Supreme Court, was all that made the Pretender president.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
32. Exactly. I was never mad at Al Gore. I was angry Bush and his cronies and the Supreme Court.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:52 PM
Nov 2012

He made mistakes campaigning but would have been a very good President.

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