2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFor those who are supposedly so worried about a trump presidency.
Maybe the party shouldn't nominate A person that 67% of democrats think is a liar, the one under FBI investigation. The woman who jeopardized national security, this isn't a right wing fantasy, these are facts. The republicans are organizing and they hate Hillary. Polls show her consistently losing to trump, while sanders beats him handily. So if you Hillary supporters really think trump is the biggest threat to America, you wouldn't be supporting the candidate WHO CANT BEAT HIM.
When you people elect president trump, don't blame us. We've been telling you for months.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)The cut of his suits?, the hair?
dchill
(38,532 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I don't give a shit what Hillary's waist size is. Do you?
Glad you find Donald Trump, errr, fetching though.
I will eschew the highfalutin language that has become my calling card here and speak the idiomatic English I grew up around and feel most comfortable with.
I don't play reindeer games. I am a serious m----- f----r.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)That DSB's goal.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Then I checked how much time you spend here, I figured Internet Warrior. Want some Cheetos's.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)You have "Grandpa, what did you to stop Donald Trump from bringing fascism to America? " " I trashed Hillary Clinton."
I think you need to add a do before your to.
"Grandpa, what did you do to stop Donald Trump from bringing fascism to America? " " I trashed Hillary Clinton."
What are you doing really though taunting Democrats to get them to vote for her. Calm down and try to give people a reason to vote for her rather than digging at them.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Just helping you fix your tag line. Have a nice night.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Enjoy the rest of your long weekend.
dchill
(38,532 posts)And that's BEFORE the FBI report. Before the OIG report, too, actually.
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Wait until the other report comes out, and the interviews done by judicial watch come out. It's all downhill.
dchill
(38,532 posts)There'll probably be slaloms, too. Olympic level plus.
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Response to dchill (Reply #5)
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Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)What the hell is the Democratic party thinking? Is her money that good?
dchill
(38,532 posts)There must be a lot of skeletons.
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Without the baggage car attached. They thought Bernie was a joke and lent some authenticity to her superior position.
The decades long files of friends and enemies is fairly well known. Our own Tammany Hall. But then audio and video threw a major spoke in the wheels and they started falling off.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)What part of that don't you folks understand?
Cripes, she is going to be a carload of red meat for the wolves on the other side.
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)establishmemt democrats disenfranchised millions of them during the primary but those folks will vote in the general.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)She is a badly flawed candidate.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)..for HRC.
Jackilope
(819 posts)The email situation alone will sink her in the general and only cements the reasons why so many distrust her.
Those pushing HRC own it. The loyalty pledges and that there are such attempts to shame or instill fear over Trump winning indicates even deep down they acknowledge she isn't as strong a candidate as they say she is.
cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)And OF COURSE they would blame Bernie & the progressive-leaning base for their defeat, going from blaming Nader in 2000 to now blaming the progressives WITHIN the Democratic Party. And it isn't rocket science that Hillary and her supporters need to stop condescending to Bernie, calling on him if not to quit than to "tone it down"; jumping all over him for the whole debate-with-Trump thing, which Trump recognized would NOT be to his advantage; and engaging in tactics of desperation in manipulating the NV Convention issue (and aftermath) which were not only unnecessary but also a gift to Trump's campaign.
Obviously, the prime responsibility for winning over the highest percentage possible of Bernie's voters lies precisely with Hillary & those surrogates, who seem intent on ALIENATING any Bernie supporters who are in doubt, and then blaming those very voters they have failed to refrain from alienating if they don't turn out for Hillary in Nov
It is as if the program were to both elect Trump AND trash the relatively progressive wing of the Democratic Party
grasswire
(50,130 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)of the party now. Clintonsism is DOA. They know it. If they can't fake it till they make it, they'd rather throw it. The Corporate State shall not be denied!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)is so flawed. "If you don't ote for Hillary, you're voting for Trump". lol..
Well I will say that by not voting for Trump, I'm in effect voting for the Democratic nominee.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Last edited Sun May 29, 2016, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)
People vote. Delegates are elected. And then the smartest people in the room just decide who they think is the best candidate anyway?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Too many people have bought into this "new world" view that corporations are people. Including at least of 5 of the supposedly 9 smartest legal minds in our country.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But scandals, this is one, care not one bit about that silliness. You will learn but this has nada to do with elections.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)will begin to take place. People will be furious with what he does to this country.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)onenote
(42,759 posts)which is to vote for the Democratic nominee in the General, no matter who it is.
Otherwise your "hope" is nothing but empty words.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)onenote
(42,759 posts)no matter who it is, but not too early to hope Trump doesn't get elected.
Seriously, your position makes no sense.
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onenote
(42,759 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Full speed ahead.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I'm curious to read your answers: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512076230
Scuba
(53,475 posts)They'll just blame the left, like they always do when they lose.
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Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Predictable as the rising sun.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Really. These repeated posts about who should be nominated are too late.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Every time I see this argument here on DU I wonder if the people making it realise national elections aren't the personal playground of white men anymore.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)No Democratic presidential candidate has won the white vote since LBJ. Did that stop Carter, Clinton (twice) or Obama (twice) from winning? No. Not to mention how close Gore and Kerry came to winning. And who knows what would have happened had RFK not been killed.
Demographics are such now that the electoral map favors Clinton.
hack89
(39,171 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)and the media would chew him up and spit out as the angry old socialist berating success, capitalism...the pacifist that can't/wont keep america safe....
sanders can help hillary or help trump
sanders supporters can help hillary or help trump
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Many of us who supported Sanders in our states' primaries still prefer him as the nominee but many Sanders supporters nationwide will not accept Trump's candidacy under any set of circumstances, as most of us are in at least one of the demographic groups he has trashed to get where he is.
You cite polling but polling shifts. Sometimes very dramatically and very swiftly. I believe current polling is unlikely to hold through July, never mind into the fall election. The demographics of the swing states which will decide the electoral college outcome are extremely unfavorable to Donald Trump.
There is a gamble to Hillary Clinton if she is our nominee, but it is owed more to Trump's supporters' unpredictability than to his demographic position.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There really isn't any other fair alternative at this point.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Don't you know that's the new trend?
It doesn't really matter if she wins, mind you, just as long as her nomination was "historic."
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)historic negatives, reviled by millions, trusted by few. In a typical election she would lose badly. What to do? Have the republicans nominate an idiotic reality tv star - a clown, completely unelectable. Then Clinton and Ryan go through what's left of the commons like Sherman went through Georgia.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)and horrific. The ONLY way they can get her to win is to nominate an idiotic talking yam.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)You place your self "on high", pronouncing your judgement on the sinners as if a Trump Presidency would have no impact on you or anyone you know.
Too worried about who would be to "blame" to care about such things I guess.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Are people who are "unworthy."
Kinda republicanish, don't you think?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)You mean the guy Bill invited to the party to take out Jeb? The fact that you guys fear him winning tells me you don't trust Bill's judgement.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Apparently.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And they are WILLFULLY ignoring all the warnings, just like Hillary did with her private server. . . they warned her but she refused to listen.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)The GOP nominated a turd that not even THEY like, let alone anybody else, yet HRC is BARELY breaking even with him in the polls. HRC should be thanking her lucky stars that they nominated such a clown this cycle to run against her. Had they nominated anybody who had a modicum of sense, she would be losing, big time.
But, sure, they will blame the Sanders supporters if she loses. Oy.
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)You threatened us. She would be ahead if it weren't for the stubborness of the Sanders supporters. Bernie would have problems too if he were the nominee.
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)risked National security to hide her foundation activity links to foreign governments while she was SOS. Spare me your blather. No one is threatening you, perhaps you have a problem with comprehension.
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)I don't.
You threatened not to vote for the nominee if you didn't get your way. It doesn't get any clearer than that.
By the way, the foundation mostly stopped donations from foreign governments while Hillary was secretary, except those that were already donating to that AIDS programs. She wasn't hiding anything. Spare me the self righteous excuses.
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)She put national security at risk the Russians have her email, spare me your ostrich impression. #Blocked for willful. *^^{%+*{{
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Delegates (aka the party) should overturn the will of the people and nominate Sanders instead, even though he is behind by 300 pledged delegates and 3 million votes.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I posted about this yesterday.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1251&thread=2072852&pid=2073345
With literally HUNDREDS of Democrats in leadership positions in Congress and a nice solid chunk with state wide Executive experience, only TWO - a former Governor from Maryland and an Indepent turned Democratic Senator from Vermont - even stepped forward to be considered, while Hillary (former 8 year Senator, former Secretary of State, and "inspirational speaker" by trade) opened the race with over 400 super delegate votes before the first debate.
That is NOT "the people" picking - that is rigging the process. We know this by pure evidence, because without the back room deals, a dozen Republicans threw their hats into the ring and battled it out. Their nominees might have been whackadoodles, but they actually represented the people of the Republican Party from the uber rich to the bad businessmen to the Ayn Rand fans to the religious lunatics.
Their field actually started with both men, women and multiple minorities. Meanwhile, the Democrats - the party that actually supports minorities and is currently led by an African American man - fielded three white people, with one of them being Jewish. No African Americans, no Latinos, no LGBT - apparently, in those areas we have not cultivated leadership?
And then the money: in AUGUST of 2015, still months before the first Democratic Primary debate on CNN on October 13, and the first Primaries in February, THIRTY-THREE state party chairs entered into a "Hillary for Victory" fundraising scheme that is no less than a money laundering scheme designed to circumvent election fundraising laws. You can read more about it here: http://www.npr.org/2015/12/23/460762853/how-hillary-clinton-could-ask-a-single-donor-for-over-700-000 That is NOT the people deciding - that type of soft money game was responsible for corruption cases until it was made illegal, but the Supreme Court gutted those voter protections in 2014 and Hillary AND the DNC promptly took advantage of it, to the point where all of the reforms Obama put in place were reversed.
As for the debates: SIX were scheduled during this Primary, as opposed to FIFTEEN in 2004 and TWENTY-FIVE in 2008. Debates and the discussion analysis that follow provide an introduction for unknown candidates to introduce themselves to the American public. Hillary already had uber levels of name recognition to the non-political junkies as "former First Lady" while the other candidates were still struggling with only regional VIP status.
The people did NOT pick Hillary Clinton; she was PICKED for us. She is at best a default candidate, with polls consistently saying that given other Not-Crazy options, they want someone else.
So I go back to my original question: who arrogantly thought that putting one of the most divisive and disliked politicians up for President, and then saying "ha! ha!" to the Republican base, was going to be good for the country?
Metric System
(6,048 posts)is reality.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Her "honest and trustworthy" is at 18%. Reality is THE PEOPLE didn't pick her - she was picked for us. Plus FBI investigation and 38 civil lawsuits because she screwed up so badly on something as simple as email...
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)It's as if people are arguing, "Clinton didn't get 100% of the primary vote, therefore she shouldn't be the nominee and will lose in November."
Clinton is called weak and a terrible candidate, yet she won, so what does that say about Sanders?
AmBlue
(3,116 posts)Heavily weighting the scale (like rigging Iowa) in her favor all the while trying to bury Bernie. The media all but blacked him out for the first half of the primaries as well. Still Bernie has come from nowhere to be a resounding force... With NO big corporate money whatsoever.
In other words, whatever HRC has done doesn't say one, damn thing about Bernie and his amazing, historic campaign to represent THE PEOPLE of this nation.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Clinton will kick Trump's ass.
The people who refuse to vote for Democratic nominee want Trump. Some of those will vote. Some will stay home a pretend thedon't want Trump. Those two groups will be responsible if Trump should win. Actions have consequences.
Triana
(22,666 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)Maybe they wouldn't post anti-Democratic diatribes like this.
She will be the nominee; what good does your post do when looking ahead to November?
bullimiami
(13,103 posts)Go figure.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)Isn't she in a tie with orangutrump?
DinahMoeHum
(21,809 posts)Whoever the Democratic nominee is will get my vote.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)There are thousand ways to sunday to say anything about anything. The thing is that some of these people need subordinates to blame shit on and mostly us Bernie fans are not stepping into it.
How about you asking your candidate to step up instead
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)clinton will be the nom and she will win. the DNC will mount a terror campaign around the Supreme court picks. And half the country will be so disgusted they will never vote again. and a seriously damaged candidate will take the oath of office. I suspect Trump and company will be vicious. the man has no morals and no ethics. there is a difference between being vetted and being destroyed. I am a sanders supporter and I am willing to let clinton have it. We need sanders to mentor the new movement and to work in the senate.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That's so....progressive?!