2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumUh oh. Seems Bernie has quite a scandal on his hands with the collapse of Burlington College.
Check this out. Seems Bernie has quite problem on his hands. Tsk tsk tsk. Um, Bernie, pressuring a bank to give a loan on behalf of his wife? Did you do it Bernie? Ran a college into the ground and now it is closing. I'd imagine some folks in VT aren't too happy.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/313932605/Toensing-Letter-to-Senator-Sanders-Re-Burlington-College-Documents
By the way, where is Jane Sanders lately? Haven't seen her on the campaign trail much.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)....probably why she's gone into hiding.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)of course....sanders campaign as burned thru millions with same mentality...btw where is jane? Uncomfortable with answering questions? Where are sanders tax returns? Tough to go at trump when you do the same
B Calm
(28,762 posts)link for you to research the source. http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/01/07/right-wing-media-cite-discredited-republican-la/207839
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)questions about Jane's involvement in the financial mess at Burlington and why she were bought off to leave. There is NO question that Jane ran Burlington and her rule she put the college at risk with poor strategies. What are they hiding? Why is Jane hiding?
While we are talking about that, why haven't sanders released their tax returns, bernie been demanding trump to do it. SO what are they hiding?
For a campaign thats suppose to be transparency, open and honest, the sanders are hiding a lot... Its hard to demand virtue of others if you yourself wont do it. One reason I find the sanders to be fake
B Calm
(28,762 posts)dsc
(52,166 posts)where you made this complaint in a thread where Hillary was trashed by such a source. BTW you are right we shouldn't listen to right wing sources, I just am checking to see if you believe this all the time or only when it is Bernie being trashed by them.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Big Sigh! Some will do anything, it seems.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Hateful and disruptive, you are
B Calm
(28,762 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)jane did things that put burlington college in financial difficulty is still a fact and the fact that Jand and Bernie refuse to talk about it is still a fact...
Transparency with the sanders??? Don't think so...he can set himself as the moral compass and he himself fails to live up to it. If there are simple answers why not give them. If jane's malfeasance caused the mess, take responsibility. If sanders tax returns are covering up something, take responsibility. You have no business proclaiming your infallibility while hiding and being silent
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)THE BIG IDEA: Burlington College is feeling the burn.
Burlington College said its financial troubles are connected to Mrs. Sanderss 2010 purchase of 32 acres of lakefront property, part of a botched expansion plan. The college was placed on academic probation in 2014 by its accrediting agency and it faced cash flow problems due to the imminent loss of a line of credit, The Posts Nick Anderson reports. To survive, the school has tried to sell land but it was not enough to remain solvent.
Jane Sanders was president from 2004 until 2011, when she stepped down amid an apparent dispute with the colleges board. She left with a $200,000 severance package.
Read the rest at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/05/17/daily-202-failure-of-burlington-college-is-a-big-problem-for-bernie-and-jane-sanders/573a388c981b92a22d837b46/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na--
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)TIRED SAME OLD SAME OLD RHETORIC ABOUT "just giving speeches" etc. Get a new stump speech Hilly.
SLICK HILLY the "born again working class fighter" who is in bed with PACs, lobbyists, WalMart, Rose Law Firm, and will say or do ANYTHING for a vote.
Hillary and Bill ALWAYS go negative when they are behind. Hillary is frustrated and once again taking the low road.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Some of those who now believe that HRC is a goddess walking among us trashed her as bad as any freeper ever dreamed of just a few short years ago.
merrily
(45,251 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Mon May 30, 2016, 01:25 AM - Edit history (1)
Jane mismanaged the college and had to be bought off to leave?
By any remote chance, does ANYone at DU know how the real world operates?
Jane is an educator, not a financial person. She was hired as President of this college because she had done a good job as acting head of another Vermont college. The Catholic Church had to raise money fast to pay settlements of lawsuits from abuse victims. It put a chunk of land up for sale for a great price and offered to take back part of the mortgage. One source speculates that it was even zero interest for the first two years. A board of directors of Jane's college of about 14 members, including financial experts, approved a property acquisition on what seem to have been great terms because they thought the extra land would attract more students. There is no way in hell this was Jane's call and not the call of the entire board.
Is there ANY indication that this was even her idea as opposed to an offer the Catholic Church brought to the college, or something another board member raised? Even if it was her idea when she saw the property for sale, so what? Many colleges have done the same, for the same reasons. As President at the time, Jane, OF COURSE, would have been the one to implement it, to get a loan, to sign papers, but the call was that of the board of directors. She is getting scapegoated solely because her husband is in public life.
A President of a PRIVATE college got a one time severance package of $200,000 in 2011? Is that what you need resolved? What's to resolve? Presidents of colleges who leave get severance packages all the time. Often, it's negotiated when they're being hired or when they are leaving. Here's one, a former state senator, who, in 2003, got a million dollar package from a PUBLIC university who had to leave his post because he refused to cooperate with a federal investigation trying to find his gang boss murdering brother, who was literally Public Enemy No. 1 until Ben Laden knocked him out of the No.1 spot. http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/07/nation/na-bulger7
Jane left the college ONE year after the loan was taken. Contrary to the post for which I requested a link, NO ONE knows why she left. In 2014, three years after Jane left, the accreditation people put the college on a two year watch. The person who was President in 2015 was forced to resign by student protests. We don't seem to know why because hit pieces on Jane don't mention that. One year later, five years after Jane left, the college is down 75 students and THAT's also her fault? How? What was the board of directors doing about paying the loan (or selling the property sooner) or raising enrollment during the five years just before it closed?
But all this was already discussed on DU.
Meanwhile, six years after the loan was made and five years after Jane left the college, a GOP state official alleges that some anonymous person told him that Sanders told the person handling the loan to get the loan done? OMIGOD. Sanders told a loan officer to do his job. Someone get me smelling salts STAT!
Not a single allegation that the board did not approve the acquisition or the loan. Not a single allegation that either of the Sanders profited personally from this. Not a single allegation that Sanders got better terms for the college from the bank because his wife was there. Not a single allegation that a crime was committed.
Shall we discuss every thing Dick Morris alleged about Hillary, too?
Sorry, exactly what is it you think you need resolved again? And why?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)before the college went out of business. As far as Bernie allegedly pressuring the bank, the allegation from a GOP Vermont state official is that Bernie told someone to (gasp) get the loan done.
Are you prepared to defend Hillary against accusations from every minor state GOP official?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)are so transparent on what you are doing.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)OwlinAZ
(410 posts)Hillary folks
TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)Try to keep up.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)to her arrest?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)OwlinAZ
(410 posts)Or have you forgotten what honor and integrity are?
MaeScott
(878 posts)More BS from BSSER'S and Republicans.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)How's that State Dept. IG report goin' for you? The multiple FBI investigations?
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)The IG reported "systemic" problems that went on for years across administrations. Try actually reading the report.
Jane Sanders, possibly with Bernie's help, ruined a college. No comparison.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Up the Denial River, are you?
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)Response to RBInMaine (Reply #9)
TM99 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)I imagine our "friends" in the corporate wing of the Party will soon be informing us that it was Bernie on the grassy knoll in Dallas and Bernie, not Bruno Hauptmanm, who kidnapped the Lindbergh baby...
This clown is the perfect example of that.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... you'll get out of that hole someday.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Not a good thing, but a thing.
Leave it to Hillary to snatch complete and utter defeat and total humiliation out of the jaws of an easy victory. WTG, HRH.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Try reading the letter in the link. Try researching something. Try "Berning" a calorie or two.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)As a self-declared "socialist" Bernie has placed himself so far to the left on the political spectrum that the R's, in a GE, will SLAM him ENDLESSLY calling him not just a socialist but a COMMMUNIST.
The general population simply does not want a "socialist" president. They simply won't accept it. We are not a European socialist country.
Now those are just plain facts. That isn't "red baiting." That is just political reality in the United States.
The fact is Bernie WOULD be "red baited" by the R's BIGTIME in a general election, which makes him un-electable.
And if you also have read my messages, I have said time and again that I AGREE with Bernie's goals on most issues and many of his sentiments around the need for political and economic reform.
Now, do you get it?
And do you actually think the R's won't tear Bernie to shreds over this?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Nicely done.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)an FBI investigation?
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Sorry, but your silly corporate media BERNED OUT email NON-SCANDAL is load of pathetic horseshit.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)You keep bringing up crap and trying to deny you are doing so just to keep stirring.
You've done more to bring up these attacks than any "supporter" you claim to be would be doing.
livetohike
(22,163 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Seems genetic.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)Really?
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)for more video footage of hippo attacks.
Pleased to accommodate your request.
Pumpkins, no less!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)What more could one expect from a Goldwater Girl - Once a conservative - Always a conservative.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Hillary's office at State and reconfigured her system to create the email problem later in advance of the primary season.
It was really fun. We bought dark clothes and ski masks and everything.
enid602
(8,652 posts)Yes, What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Trump would be all over the Burlington collapse and Jill's $200,000 severance package.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Unlikely
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Probably not, but someone could accuse you of pressuring a bank without evidence.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)l o l
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Doesn't look good. And where are the tax returns Bernie and Jane???
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Tax returns and running a college into the ground is a whole nother ballgame.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...thank Christ for DU's "Ignore" feature.
Well, Christ and the DU admins.
But mostly thank Christ.
Bye now.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Jane Sanders is looking pretty good right now.
imari362
(311 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Course, those weren't contributions, were they?
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)CanadaexPat
(496 posts)college. Oh, wait...that was Bill.