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NEWS FLASH TO DIFI. There are TWICE the number of pages in the IG report!! (Original Post) grasswire May 2016 OP
LOL riversedge May 2016 #1
Yep, add her to the enemies list SCantiGOP May 2016 #44
She has been on the enemies list of MANY Democrats for MANY years now. grasswire May 2016 #70
Good luck with that. annavictorious May 2016 #2
DIFI has a lot of stuff on her plate right now. Like warning the public about reefer madness. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #3
I pretty sure she won't make it through another primary at 84 nolabels May 2016 #40
Attacking another popular elected female Dem from CA? JoePhilly May 2016 #4
Ever been to California? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #7
She's so unpopular she's only been a CA Senator since ~92. JoePhilly May 2016 #9
She's massively out of touch. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #10
Been to CA many times ... which doen't change the fact that its ... JoePhilly May 2016 #16
I suspect she's doing real damage to herself in CA with her Chuck Grassley reefer madness bullshit Warren DeMontague May 2016 #24
She's in the primary ballot? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #29
Did I say she was? JoePhilly May 2016 #31
The only reason she has not nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36
DiFi Supports This Sort of Behavior From Her Choice For The Nomination? Aghast! CorporatistNation May 2016 #62
. Wilms May 2016 #13
I supose that might still be true a year from now. JoePhilly May 2016 #17
"attack! attack!" Wilms May 2016 #19
Read the OP and let me know. JoePhilly May 2016 #22
I lived in CA for a couple decades. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #26
I live in California nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #30
Then you should have no problem removing her when ... JoePhilly May 2016 #33
Willie brown rule. The party does not let people primary people nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #37
Lived, past tense. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #45
I'm more worried about what's between her ears, myself. But you do you. Scootaloo May 2016 #53
Selective Reading pmorlan1 May 2016 #5
I laughed my ass off over that. 42 pages. The most asinine remark I have ever heard a democrat Autumn May 2016 #6
scary ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee too. grasswire May 2016 #11
Now that you know that the report IS only 42 pages long annavictorious May 2016 #18
No. The appendixes covering the relevant laws and policies are way the fuck past 42 pages Autumn May 2016 #39
Appendixes begin on pg. 47. yallerdawg May 2016 #8
Yes, I love progressive Democrats. grasswire May 2016 #12
But...but...but... annavictorious May 2016 #14
Alas I read the whole thing including appendices nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #21
And now you also agree with... yallerdawg May 2016 #23
No, I can't wait for the other shoe nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #28
So did others annavictorious May 2016 #32
Yes, a surrogate nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #34
Forbes is a surrogate? annavictorious May 2016 #46
The author is. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #48
You apparently don't know a lot about Forbes. nt grasswire May 2016 #57
The Appendexes that cover the relevant laws and policies. An important part of the report Autumn May 2016 #25
What does a 2014 memo have to do with a SOS who's tenure ended in 2012? annavictorious May 2016 #38
Some regulations that she ignored were already in place when she became SOS Autumn May 2016 #50
Didn't apply to Hillary! Long gone! yallerdawg May 2016 #42
No she wasn't long gone. The regulations regarding preserving e mail record was in place in 09 Autumn May 2016 #51
Keep slinging it and see what sticks! yallerdawg May 2016 #58
I don't have to sling it. Hills did that. The report exposed the lies that she publicly told Autumn May 2016 #59
She's a lawmaker, and this has been news for months. Perhaps she knows the laws involved. TwilightZone May 2016 #54
Senator Feinstein has seen the so-called "classified" material... yallerdawg May 2016 #60
then she's a liar. nt grasswire May 2016 #69
So, what's between pages 42 and 47? The conclusions and recommendations. The appendices leveymg May 2016 #43
And the footnotes are also rich in info nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #49
Not one conclusion... yallerdawg May 2016 #52
It's all in her section of the Appendices and the referral letters at the end. leveymg May 2016 #63
So the Office of Inspector General... yallerdawg May 2016 #64
How many times are applicable laws referenced? leveymg May 2016 #65
Time for "Game of Thrones!" yallerdawg May 2016 #66
Good luck with that... Demsrule86 May 2016 #15
It was funny nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #20
No, she had the actual report. annavictorious May 2016 #41
Nope, sorry Charlie nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #47
Have you heard of appendixes? Gothmog May 2016 #27
an appendix is full of important notes. grasswire May 2016 #56
DiFi gets... Mike Nelson May 2016 #35
She has little credibility. Like Hillary, she has a track record... grasswire May 2016 #55
she has been MILKING Milk for decades, it is high time for some FRESHER milk. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #61
Any other Democrats Bernie/supporters want to primary? XRubicon May 2016 #67
you bet grasswire May 2016 #68
Ok, Ron Wyden XRubicon May 2016 #72
sorry I ever voted for her amborin May 2016 #71

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
44. Yep, add her to the enemies list
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

along with the DNC, the Obamas, Morgan Freeman, Cong Jim Clyburn, Barney Frank, etc etc

A very long list.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
2. Good luck with that.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

And your side is sounding more and more like Tea Party 2.0 every day.

I say we should primary pork-loving senators who waste money on trillion dollar, killing machine boondoggles that even the Department of Defense says we don't need.

Let's run a real Democrat like Dr. Dean.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-loves-this-1-trillion-war-machine.html

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
40. I pretty sure she won't make it through another primary at 84
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

I am not sure why she hasn't retired either. She is not doing any favors for her constituents or herself

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. She's massively out of touch.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:10 PM
May 2016
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/oldest-us-senators-accused-of-holding-biased-marijuana-hearing

I'm gonna take from your answer that no, you've never actually been to California. Which is a shame, Philly. I mean, it's a really amazing place.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
16. Been to CA many times ... which doen't change the fact that its ...
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

... not a smart idea to attack her right before the primary next week.

But please, by all means ... don't listen to me!!!

Attack her ... hard!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. I suspect she's doing real damage to herself in CA with her Chuck Grassley reefer madness bullshit
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

I don't think too many of our primary voters are going to get excited about Sanders people criticizing her.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
62. DiFi Supports This Sort of Behavior From Her Choice For The Nomination? Aghast!
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:54 PM
May 2016
MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
17. I supose that might still be true a year from now.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016


Again ... attack DIFI and BBox ... it will definitely help Bernie.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
37. Willie brown rule. The party does not let people primary people
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

I live here...highly undemocratic. And there are rumors she will announce her retirement soon. Free clue, before 2018

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
6. I laughed my ass off over that. 42 pages. The most asinine remark I have ever heard a democrat
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

ever say in my life. Does that woman think that people live under the same rock she does? She read all 42 pages and cleared Hillary on that? Ladies and gentlemen those words come from the mouth of a United States Senator. Now you know why things in this country are so fucked up.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
11. scary ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee too.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:11 PM
May 2016

Too flawed and compromised to represent Democrats.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
18. Now that you know that the report IS only 42 pages long
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

do you feel foolish rolling around on the floor like that?

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
39. No. The appendixes covering the relevant laws and policies are way the fuck past 42 pages
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

and there is a lot of important information in there starting back om 05. Feinstein read 42 pages, that's like baking a cake using only half the ingredients.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. Appendixes begin on pg. 47.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

I believe her being factual about the length of the report won't influence your wish to primary her.

Have you ever encountered a Democrat you liked?

The report (and you could read it - it's only half as long as you think!):

https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
12. Yes, I love progressive Democrats.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

Bernie.
My Senator Jeff Merkley.
Elizabeth Warren.
And many others. I have voted for Democrats all my life.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. No, I can't wait for the other shoe
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

And I suspect it will. Scandals are independent of political calendars. For our sake, better fall before the convention. You guys will have to decide whether you will put your party or country ahead.

That will be an amazing psychological moment

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
25. The Appendexes that cover the relevant laws and policies. An important part of the report
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

I bet if she stopped reading on page 42 or 47 since you seem to think that the appendixes were just filler, she may have missed this on page 64

UNCLASSIFIED
accordance with agency recordkeeping practices.”93 In 2015, NARA issued guidance on
managing other forms of electronic messaging, including social media and texts.94
On August 28, 2014, the Under Secretary for Management sent a memorandum to the Office of
the Secretary, all Under Secretaries and Assistant Secretaries, and a number of other offices to
remind them of their responsibility for creating, managing, and preserving records “regardless of
physical format or media.” It noted that “records may exist in many formats, including Instant
Messages (IM) and records on mobile devices like BlackBerrys, mobile phones, and iPads.” It also
included specific requirements relating to emails, including:

•At no time during designated senior officials’ tenure will their e-mail accounts be cleared,
deleted, or wiped for any reason.

•While senior officials may delete personal e-mails, they should be aware that the
definition of a personal e-mail is very narrow. The only e-mails that are personal are
those that do not relate to or affect the transaction of Government business.

•As a general matter, to ensure a complete record of their activities, senior officials should
not use their private e-mail accounts (e.g., Gmail) for official business. If a senior official
uses his or her private email account for the conduct of official business, she or he must
ensure that records pertaining to official business that are sent from or received on such
e-mail account are captured and maintained. The best way to ensure this is to forward
incoming emails received on a private account to the senior official’s State account and
copy outgoing messages to their State account.



 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
38. What does a 2014 memo have to do with a SOS who's tenure ended in 2012?
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:36 PM
May 2016

Is your complaint that Clinton didn't follow guidance for those currently in tenure issued two years after she left the State Department?

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
50. Some regulations that she ignored were already in place when she became SOS
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016


In April, June, and October 2008, announcements to all employees again reminded departing
employees not to remove any papers until they had been reviewed. They also stated that “e-mail
messages must generally be printed out and filed with related paper records.”

On January 15, 2009, the Under Secretary for Management issued a memorandum to all Under
Secretaries, Assistant Secretaries, Executive Directors, and Post Management Officers on
“Preserving Electronically the Email of Senior Officials upon their Departure.” The memorandum
required bureaus to copy the email accounts of senior departing officials onto CDs and deliver
those CDs to IPS.
The requirement was applicable to political appointees, not career staff, and
was put in place to supplement the traditional print and file policy for record email.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
42. Didn't apply to Hillary! Long gone!
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:42 PM
May 2016
In 2015, NARA issued guidance on managing other forms of electronic messaging, including social media and texts.

On August 28, 2014, the Under Secretary for Management sent a memorandum...

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
51. No she wasn't long gone. The regulations regarding preserving e mail record was in place in 09
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

and she was in office then.

I

n April, June, and October 2008, announcements to all employees again reminded departing
employees not to remove any papers until they had been reviewed. They also stated that “e-mail
messages must generally be printed out and filed with related paper records.”


On January 15, 2009, the Under Secretary for Management issued a memorandum to all Under
Secretaries, Assistant Secretaries, Executive Directors, and Post Management Officers on
“Preserving Electronically the Email of Senior Officials upon their Departure.” The memorandum
required bureaus to copy the email accounts of senior departing officials onto CDs and deliver
those CDs to IPS. The requirement was applicable to political appointees, not career staff, and
was put in place to supplement the traditional print and file policy for record email.


Statutory and Regulatory Requirements for Email Records Preservation: The requirements in the
Federal Records Act of 1950 had not changed. In October 2009, NARA published a final rule that
revised and reorganized its records management regulations.
69 The existing requirements were
largely retained, but renumbered.70 New responsibilities were added to agencies’ records
program duties, including assigning records management responsibilities in each
program/mission to ensure incorporation of recordkeeping requirements into agency

programs.71 The new section on managing email records required preservation of email
attachments that are an integral part of the record.
72 It also stated:

Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages
using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or
received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping
system.73
FAM and FAH Requirements for Email Records Preservation: The requirements in the FAM and
FAH generally had not changed.

Other Preservation Guidance: In June 2009, the Department sent an announcement regarding
preservation of email messages.74 It reminded employees of the requirement to preserve email
records, citing the FAM and C.F.R. provisions, and noted that, until SMART becomes available,
employees must print and file emails that are Federal records.
In November 2009, the Department sent a cable to all embassies and posts and an
announcement to all employees reminding them that all Department employees have records
management responsibilities.75 It noted that Federal records can be found “in any media
including e-mail, instant messages, social media, etc.”

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
58. Keep slinging it and see what sticks!
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016
CONCLUSION

Longstanding, systemic weaknesses related to electronic records and communications have existed within the Office of the Secretary that go well beyond the tenure of any one Secretary of State. OIG recognizes that technology and Department policy have evolved considerably since Secretary Albright’s tenure began in 1997. Nevertheless, the Department generally and the Office of the Secretary in particular have been slow to recognize and to manage effectively the legal requirements and cybersecurity risks associated with electronic data communications, particularly as those risks pertain to its most senior leadership. OIG expects that its recommendations will move the Department steps closer to meaningfully addressing these risks.

This is it!

There is nothing more!

Anything else belongs in the DU 'Creative Speculation Group'!

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
59. I don't have to sling it. Hills did that. The report exposed the lies that she publicly told
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:17 PM
May 2016

repeatedly for over a year.

TwilightZone

(25,479 posts)
54. She's a lawmaker, and this has been news for months. Perhaps she knows the laws involved.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

Unlike about 80% of DU.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
60. Senator Feinstein has seen the so-called "classified" material...
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

and reported it did not originate with Hillary, was not identified as "classified" material and was not at all resolved as an FOIA issue.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
43. So, what's between pages 42 and 47? The conclusions and recommendations. The appendices
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

pages 47 to end contain the relevant laws and regulations she broke and a review of her predecessors actions - if you don't read those, you can't understand the acts that generated report.

Not so clever, by half.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
52. Not one conclusion...
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

or recommendation or resolution mentions Hillary Clinton.

So - that is the OIG report.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
63. It's all in her section of the Appendices and the referral letters at the end.
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

That's why neither you nor DiFi seem to have a clue about what this is all about.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
64. So the Office of Inspector General...
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

put Hillary's "criminal" activity in footnotes in appendices.

An anonymous blogger told me so!




leveymg

(36,418 posts)
65. How many times are applicable laws referenced?
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

Where are they in the document? Why are they placed there? Do you know what a footnote is?

Explain.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
66. Time for "Game of Thrones!"
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

Which is a great and interesting work of fiction.

Until next time, "Good night!"

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
41. No, she had the actual report.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

And she read it. Too bad the OP didn't before he made his ridiculous claim.

Any relation to the odious Mika and Count Chocula?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. Nope, sorry Charlie
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

And the OP is correct. DiFi thinks this is 1990 and outside the elite news Corp, none can check on her

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
56. an appendix is full of important notes.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:11 PM
May 2016

The report is being described by all news media as 85 pages. If she didn't read the appendix, she's lazy or lying.

Mike Nelson

(9,966 posts)
35. DiFi gets...
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:32 PM
May 2016

...to read a lot of inside information. If the email story was going places, her recent statements are not the smoke signal or tea leaf Hillary's political enemies should be expecting.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
55. She has little credibility. Like Hillary, she has a track record...
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

...and people who don't remember are still able to find out her perfidy.

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
67. Any other Democrats Bernie/supporters want to primary?
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:46 PM
May 2016

I want to make a list.

1. Wasserman Schultz
2. Feinstein
3. ???

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
68. you bet
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:50 PM
May 2016

The electorate has changed. Did you not see? Americans are sick and tired of establishment politics. Throw the bums out.

Even, very sadly, my senator Ron Wyden. He has betrayed his supporters by endorsing the TPP and Clinton.

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
72. Ok, Ron Wyden
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

This is good. Let's keep this going.

I want Bernie/supporters here to name Democrats they want to primary.

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