2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Romney’s Not Talking About Benghazi Anymore
Fascinating...
In the second presidential debate, Romney treated Benghazi as the most important national security of the moment. But Romney sidestepped the issue in the final debate and, as far as Im aware, hasnt raised it since. Its true that the topic blew up in Romneys face in that second debate. But Romneys sudden and complete abandonment of the topic has still been something of a mystery.
Now the story has taken a new twist, as Massimo Calabresi explains. It seems as through the most important actor during the attack may not have been the president, but CIA director David Petraeus. That leaves the storyline more confused than ever. Petraeus, the reputed savior of Iraq, is a hero to many of the same conservatives who have been driving the Benghazi story in an effort to burn the president. Now it seems possible that their ire could burn the general more than the president. Although Fridays reports indicate that the CIA responded fast and aggressively as the attack unfolded, it also appears that the agency could have been more vigilant about security at the site in advance. It also seems possible that Mitt Romney fell silent on this issue because he came to understand that Petraeus is at least as politically exposed as Obama. (Bear in mind that Romney was recently granted classified national security briefings, as is the custom for major-party nominees.)
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)demgrrrll
(3,590 posts)Cha
(297,285 posts)shit. WIthout having to turn over his TAX RETURNS, I might add.
I can't wait until his Lying Nose is out of that FOREVER.
DFW
(54,403 posts)We he heard it was Africa, he probably said, "Oh. Well, who cares, then?"
MADem
(135,425 posts)yankeepants
(1,979 posts)was enough to make that POS give up his campaign.
You can't just fire the rest of the world.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)SANDY has done...
You can't fire 'em, and you can't boss 'em around, either!
vlyons
(10,252 posts)You gotta know that CIA would be very active gathering info, influencing the various political factions etc.; maybe running guns and weapons, and certainly hunting terrorists. There should have been better security. Go ask congress why they cut $330M from the state dept budget.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Oh, wait, I forgot: Willard is in total OCCULT Republican Mode - he does not talk to the press. At all. And the "press" meekly accepts this preposterous, anti-democratic stance. Ptooooey!
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)One of the things they teach soldiers that they don't teach rich draft dodgers is collateral damage.
Romney's goal is to get to the White House so he can start cutting his taxes and paying his markers. If destroying David Petraeus is collateral to destroying Obama, Petraeus needs to be destroyed. Fuck him, he doesn't wear magic underwear.
But the attack against Obama didn't work. The American public, after a decade of war and what, seven thousand dead Americans?, know people die in war zones. The absolute protection for the ambassador that Romney is calling for might have been accomplished by sending in the 101st Airborne, but between telling the ambassador to beef up his security force and invading a sovereign nation, there aren't very many options.
Oh, people are noticing Benghazi. Unfortunately, they're the same people who have "Reasons to Hate Obama" trading cards, which you play a bizarre version.of Pokemon with.(Benghazi ranks between Obamacare and his smoking-hot wife.) For everyone else, Benghazi was a bad day but thanks to Shrub there have been worse.
After he figured out Benghazi wasn't going to give him the White House, he dropped it.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)That said, I also think the reason they aren't bringing it up is because Mittens gets security briefings and I think his team learned a lot more about Benghazi since that 2nd debate. 'Cause I think if there was anything to what Fox Noise was selling, the R/R camp would be all over it but they aren't and that should tell their base something right there.
It's bad enough a Utah Republic outed the 'consulate' as a CIA base in the first place (which, apparently was classified info he talked about right on C-SPAN) but for Issa to then read the names of Libyans helping the US... it's been a debacle for the Republics from day one and Fox trying to help them carry water, well, that too is going to back fire.
LukeFL
(594 posts)Supported by 48% white trash
MADem
(135,425 posts)better than they like Magic Mittens.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Petraeus knows where a few of Mittsy's figurative bodies are buried. Some things are just too hot to handle.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)Remember the Eleventh Commandment (thou shalt not speak badly of another Republican) and keep it holy. Romney has Karl Rove as an advisor. Rove can set it up to stab both Obama and Petraeus in the back, but make it look like another Democrat - who looks good for 2016? - did it. He would therefore hit the trifecta by eliminating the incumbent president, the lead 2016 challenger and the biggest threat to Romney's rein. The CIA's primary loyalty is to America. They have a weird way of showing it sometimes, but it is. Petraeus has people working for him who can find all the skeletons in Romney's closet and who know reporters willing to publicize them.
To make this work you need an attack that galvanizes the populace. Some All New Terror Group bombing an elementary school in a peaceful Vermont dairy community where the mooing of the cows is louder than the rumble of truck traffic would have done it. The death of the ambassador to one of the most dangerous places on earth didn't.
MADem
(135,425 posts)leads right to Petraeus. RMoney is letting it drop because his conservative pals see more negative in the pursuit than positive, and they are afraid that some of the splashback will get on them. RMoney has obviously figured this out, too. I don't think Rove has enough smarts to outwit the CIA, and like I said, they likely know where a lot of bodies are buried--even the ones that were buried by Rove's very own shovel.
Then again, if a Vermont elementary school was attacked, the wingnuts would say those commies in the "People's Republic of VT" somehow "deserved" it. After all, they have the Socialist Senator, and VT is the home state of America's champion, Howard Dean. From their perspective, what's not to hate? They'd probably jump for joy at a Blue State's pain while pointing at Obama and saying it was all his fault. I think they'd have a hard time sounding really sincere; the hot-breathed poutrage would clash with the gleeful cackling and sideways snarking.
Even with the pain that NJ and NY are feeling, the GOP tools are having a tough time getting out in front with any genuine sympathy for those states--they don't like 'em because they're blue, and their remarks about this storm and its aftermath sort of reflect that. They're more angry that a telethon to help the states might be seen as political, than helping people who are in extremis and need shelter, food, clothing, etc., now.
creon
(1,183 posts)It was a major base for the CIA in Libya. The CIA Station/consulate seems to have fallen between the two stools of the CIA and State. The issue is in doubt as to whether it actually was a consulate.
The facility could not have been at a 'secret location'; there must have many Libyans coming and going, while they were working with the CIA.
Not much foresight.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)creon
(1,183 posts)I doubt that Benghazi. will change any votes
leveymg
(36,418 posts)So, once the real purpose of the Benghazi CIA Station (the "Consulate" became more widely understood, Romney was forced to back off from the topic and change his message in the third debate to me-too, and "I'll hit Iran and Syria even harder."
We wouldn't want an actual debate over real US foreign policy issues -- discussing facts and revealing covert operations -- after all, not during an election! Particularly, when there seems to be no real disagreement about goals among the neocons driving policy in both camps. What differences there are in these matters concern timing, tactics, and choice of whose foreign fighters and what weapons get used.
Still, there are some signs that some have recognized how terribly dangerous the strategy of taking sides and getting into the middle of a 1,200 year old religious war between Sunnis and Shi'ia Muslims really is. Those in the State Dept. and CIA who thought we could painlessly (without blowback) use one group of crazed, heavily-armed Jihadis to overthrow another in a game of hop-scotch regime change across MENA really need to have their heads examined.
I am always the optimist, and believe that saner heads can prevail. We will soon see who stays and who really goes in the next Administration.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Only brain-dead Faux newzers think there is a "smoking gun" there.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)though, you know that CIA is full of bleeding heart libruls.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think the role of that building in Benghazi is what's making people shut up. Plenty of Bush-era people are still working in the civil service sector at State, CIA, and other governmental agencies, and they haven't forgotten how to pick up the phone and tell a Wingnutty Big Mouth or two to STFU!