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aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:46 AM Nov 2012

Lets be honest. If Obama loses Ohio, there will be no reason to ever look at polling data again.


Here is the RCP average for Ohio. I believe these numbers actually leave out 1 or 2 credible polling surveys in the state that also show Obama ahead.

RCP Average 10/23 - 11/3 -- -- 49.3 46.5 Obama +2.8

Columbus Dispatch* 10/24 - 11/3 1501 LV 2.2 50 48 Obama +2

Rasmussen Reports 11/1 - 11/1 750 LV 4.0 49 49 Tie

NBC/WSJ/Marist 10/31 - 11/1 971 LV 3.1 51 45 Obama +6

CNN/Opinion Research 10/30 - 11/1 796 LV 3.5 50 47 Obama +3

WeAskAmerica 10/30 - 11/1 1649 LV 2.6 50 46 Obama +4

Ohio Poll/Univ of Cin. 10/25 - 10/30 1182 LV 2.9 48 46 Obama +2

SurveyUSA 10/26 - 10/29 603 LV 4.1 48 45 Obama +3

Gravis Marketing 10/27 - 10/27 730 LV 3.6 50 49 Obama +1

PPP (D) 10/26 - 10/28 718 LV 3.7 51 47 Obama +4

CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 10/23 - 10/28 1110 LV 3.0 50 45 Obama +5

Purple Strategies 10/23 - 10/25 600 LV 4.0 46 44 Obama +2

ARG 10/23 - 10/25 600 LV 4.0 49 47 Obama +2



These are 12 different polls conducted over 12 days. Even if you average the right wing pollsters together (Rasmussen, ARG, Gravis) Obama still leads. If Obama loses Ohio, either every single one of these industry leading experts were wrong, or their were election day legal issues. Those are the only possible outcomes looking at this much objective, conclusive data.

NBC even "unskewed their poll" for right wing conspiracists and still had Obama +3.






In 2008, RCP's polling average of each state was deadly accurate in predicting outcomes.

In 2008 the RCP state averages missed only in Indiana and North Carolina. Both of those elections were within about 1% point. And in both of those elections it had Obama losing, and he came back to win. The only other state missed in the RCP average was Nevada. The RCP average had Obama winning by a slim margin. And it ended up being a blowout in Obama's favor. (Nobody knows how to count hispanics.)

That was it. Therefore we can conclude the RCP average is generally dead on accurate or is undercounting Obama's total.

Outside of this, for every other state in 2008, you could determine the winner, just by looking at the RCP average for that particular state.



If everyone works hard, we will win. PERIOD.








BTW... what does it say about our society and main stream media that NBC felt obligated to unskew a high tech, scientific, math data driven equation, just because the scientific outcome would be disliked by conservatives?


And you guys wonder why Americans don't believe in climate change? And want creationism taught in schools? NBC's move really says a lot about who we are as a country. Its very sad.



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Lets be honest. If Obama loses Ohio, there will be no reason to ever look at polling data again. (Original Post) aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 OP
If he loses Ohio Proud liberal 80 Nov 2012 #1
At least Democratic voters outside of Cuyahoga County Dr Claw Nov 2012 #6
K & R nm texpatriot2004 Nov 2012 #2
Absolutely correct RomneyLies Nov 2012 #3
There never was a reason in the first place. Most polls are designed to shape, not measure, opinion. Scuba Nov 2012 #4
If Obama loses Ohio, it was stolen. - n/t Jim__ Nov 2012 #5
+1 rucky Nov 2012 #9
Absolutely. n/t TDale313 Nov 2012 #11
And if the dems roll over like they did in '04, I'll never vote again. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #12
They also have Romney winning florida based on there averages bigdarryl Nov 2012 #7
Which is feasible TroyD Nov 2012 #8
If Obama loses Ohio, Husted needs to be arrested Squinch Nov 2012 #10
he needs to be arrested anyway. I hope the judge issues a warrant Evergreen Emerald Nov 2012 #14
True. I'm getting my torch and pitchfork ready for a road trip if there is a problem. Squinch Nov 2012 #16
Not happening, so quit the handwringing already. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #13
Of course it could happen, it just would mean Lionessa Nov 2012 #15

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
1. If he loses Ohio
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nov 2012

It will because of Ohio's partisan Sec of State, who was voted in office in a year when Democratic voters didn't vote.

Dr Claw

(51 posts)
6. At least Democratic voters outside of Cuyahoga County
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:10 AM
Nov 2012

Strickland beat out Kasich by over 200K votes from what I remember

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
3. Absolutely correct
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:54 AM
Nov 2012

And they are desperate about Ohio, hence Husted's recent actions regarding provisional ballots that is flat out against Ohio law.

It's also why Obama has a team of 2500 lawyers on the ground right now in Ohio.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. There never was a reason in the first place. Most polls are designed to shape, not measure, opinion.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:59 AM
Nov 2012

rucky

(35,211 posts)
9. +1
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:17 AM
Nov 2012

I early voted in red, red Miami county and it was pretty easy going. Contrast that with reports from the Blue counties and you can see how bogus this is becoming.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
12. And if the dems roll over like they did in '04, I'll never vote again.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nov 2012

If it happens again, there better be one hell of a fight, & a serious effort to expose the repubs for the lying, cheating bastards they are & none of this conceding the next day bullshit.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
8. Which is feasible
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:14 AM
Nov 2012

Romney has always been stronger in Florida than Ohio, and unlike in OH, Romney does actually lead in a number of FL polls.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
14. he needs to be arrested anyway. I hope the judge issues a warrant
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:30 AM
Nov 2012

for his latest behavior and his continued defiance of the court order.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
15. Of course it could happen, it just would mean
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:32 AM
Nov 2012

that some other shenanigans were going on. Much of the handwringing isn't from the polling, it's from knowing that with Repubs, something foul is likely afoot.

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