It's time to get out the vote!

Lets make this happen.

Lawyering up does nothing to combat electronic shenanigans like Jon Husted has apparently arranged in Ohio. Who knows what other Republican shithead has done the same with less publicity?

I fell asleep in 2004 knowing that exit polls showed Kerry winning New Mexico, but woke up with a Bush win. We in NM demanded voter-verified auditable ballots, but many other states don't so it doesn't feel like paranoia to me. I have canvassed, registered voters and will work at the polls election day. I still feel fear at the possibility that the R's many efforts to suppress votes, fuss with the machine software & spend $ on lying ads may add up to another stolen election.

I've read here on DU that Obama doesn't believe in the ability to hack the vote. I don't know if that is true or not, but it sure is naive if true. Anyone watching Ohio in 04 knows well that the machines are made to be hacked.

There is zero excuse for it's glitches. The bank machines don't seem to have glitches such as these.

It is a valid concern and I don't much appreciate those who tell us in effect, to sit down and shut the fuck up, about it.

Thanks for bringing up the patches.

I'm sure the legal team and Obama campaign can find a team of programmers to analyze code if need be.

Obama isn't going to roll over like Kerry did.

MANY OF US remember 1998, 2000 and 2004. Especially 2004 when we were told that the Kerry organization had thousands of attornies just waiting, blah, blah, blah.

And quite frankly, many of us that do have concerns have called, canvased and donated till we are blue in the face.

The continuing dirty electoral politics have done NOTHING to ally our fears, and certainly the rethuglican-gridlocked Congress has done NOTHING to remedy the situation(s).

So please, we hear what you are saying. Please remember you are not Mother Superior and we are not children. Most of us will not be comfortable until we hear that our candidate was legally and lawfully elected President of the United States.

Many DU'ers said the same exact thing about Kerry's team. Especially in regard to lawyers being all over any problems. We all know how that turned out. What was surprising was how quick Kerry threw in the towel. It was like a second kick in the gut. Even after CNN/Mitofsky changed their late night exit polls to match what they said we're the "official" vote count. People in Ohio have now been sent to jail for election fraud on that night.

....after 2004. People were arrested, protests continued. Never again, should be our watch words. "Chill the fuck out, I got this" is nice, but if ANYONE is going to take that stance, YOU DAMNED WELL BETTER HAVE IT.

I usually expect smack like that from my knuckle-dragger friends...

...obviously.

And how do these teams of lawyers prevent Republicans from stealing votes? Did they stop Bush? Kerry had the same, remember?

If it is a waste of energy, why have teams of lawyers? Really, get a grip and come to terms with reality. The Rs play politics like war.

Oregon Department of Justice investigating potential ballot tampering at Clackamas County Elections
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014288197

...of a really ugly situation.

What is the "really ugly situation" whence you bark?

...about all the suppression. That's the ugly situation we have to look at, and our leaders need to do something about.

...not to make changes to prevent it when they had the WH and both houses of Congress.

Were they trying to confuse us by getting slaughtered?

My prediction: Obama carries Ohio, and decisively wins re-election, voting machine conspiracy theorists still show up 2 weeks before the 2014 election to flip out about how "the fix is in".

There was fraud in 2008...

it just wasnt enough:

http://www.richardcharnin.com/2008ElectionModel.htm

...valid and lawful votes cast to supress and also too many national and international eyes watching.

Hell yes, there was voter fraud! The only way the republicans can win is to cheat!

explaining how 2012 fits into the "Karl Rove controls the US with black box voting" model.



Keep in mind that there is some level of fraud in every election. Some of it has been documented this year, but that isn't the same thing as asserting a conspiracy to steal Ohio.

the election. Until that point Rove had been writing editorials about how McCain was going to win and McCain was running around telling everyone he was going to win in the wee hours (the same time of day a bunch of Kerry's votes in Ohio got flipped to bush in 2004). So just days before the election Rove started predicting in his paper column that Obama would win. Strangely enough the programmer's (Mike Connel's) little plane crashed and he died, just a few days before he could be deposed about Rove's private server farm that had all the Ohio votes run thru it.

In my opinion Rove got warned off stealing the 2008 election via his computer farm.

or repeat it.

Anyone who has spent enough time researching FL '00 and OH '04 knows damn well that the elections were heavily rigged/suppressed/stolen.

It's not even a matter for debate except among the ignorant.

They DEPEND on people being afraid of 'looking crazy' so they can get away with it.

Reality IS crazy right now, and if we bury our heads in the sand as you suggest, we're screwing the whole country.

And then do about 1000 hours of study on the subject of OH '04 before you can tell me that the Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun.

Anyone who denies that massive Republican electioneering occurred there is plainly as ignorant of the vast accounts, evidence, and complex proofs as a climate change denier is of climate science.

Would you like some links to get started?

for at least one of the 6 books on the subject we've published...

Try as we might... we can't seem to get that to happen.

There is a sickness that prevades our Democracy and that sickness is that it is somehow OK to supress votes and to value some voters over others. That is not even selective Democracy, that is electoral abomination.

Please keep their feet to the fire!

Here's to Ken Blackwell and John Husted roasting in hell!
:cheers:

And here's to a long prison term for John Husted with his cellmate, Bubba.

Busting John Husted will likely turn him not into a convict... but a lobbyist.

That wont stop us from doing our all however

Perhaps you should do a bit of research and then revisit the conversation. Just a thought.

that we are in this together and for each other. It is a great feeling to go out and talk to voters, whether you are walking or calling, and find that they too are enthusiastic about voting. When someone calls you, thank them. Sure it is annoying to take a call during supper, but your taking that call and your kindness are ways to reaffirm the solidarity we need to solve our nation's problems.

The next four years are not going to be easy. We need that sense of solidarity and security that comes from knowing we are not alone in our values and beliefs.

So, if you feel "concerned" it may be just a habit or it may be that you are not feeling in solidarity with other Democrats and that lack of a sense of solidarity may be because you aren't volunteering enough. May be just a personality thing, but generally, if you know you are doing your utmost, you feel good about things. At least I do.

I just sent this guy some money.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9698

They are doing everything they did in 2000 and 2004 and doubling down this time because they have control of the state houses in the swing states now and they didn't previously.

One thing that gives me some comfort though, is the fact that in 2000 when Jeb Bush controlled Florida was switched to Shrub, it was his family that thoughtfully arranged it for him. The rethugs have their minions working on things locally, but the question is whether these guys would be willing to face federal criminal charges for tampering with the voting equipment or the results. It's one thing for your brother to help you help yourself to the presidency, but it's another matter to think that people who have no family loyalty would be willing to throw themselves under a bus for someone who clearly has no personal allegiance to them whatsoever. It's one thing to expect a sibling to maintain his silence but another entirely to expect from someone outside the family.

Another aspect is that both Bush and Gore were challengers in 2000. And Kerry was a challenger to a sitting president. Wouldn't everyone agree that it's a little bit easier for a sitting president to have his Justice Department keeping an eye on things and swooping in in the event there are "irregularities"? Bush had the advantage of incumbancy in '04, and he had his brother doing the heavy lifting for him 2000. We know that Mittens has his acolytes and $81 million of their money, but would they go to jail for him? Maybe so. It's pretty apparent that they have gone balls to the walls to tie up this election for him, and the ramifications for the future are pretty grim if they succeed, because the SCOTUS can - and will - make decisions that will roll back the clock to a time before Roe v. Wade and affirmative action were legislated. But all things come to an end, and even a severely curtailed population can fight its way back into control. It's called a revolution and if they keep at it, and the people get sick enough of their trickle down approach to everything, they will revolt. It's a proven historical fact.

Eleventh-Hour GOP Voter Suppression Could Swing Ohio (The Nation)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021708311

Where are the teams of Obama lawyers on this one?

Suppressing Democratic turnout.

You have voter purgers, voter ID laws, long lines, scare tactics, misinformation and restrictions on early voting.

from the ones we don't have any evidence they are using.

The ones you are mentioning are the ones we should be concerning ourselves with, along with voter intimidation from self-deputizing teabagger "poll watchers".

We are more aware of what they are capable of. I do think Obama and co learned from what happened to Gore and Kerry. Also remember that Gore had many in the public and Dems in his own party telling him to cede to Bush. Same with Kerry. I think Obama and the people under him are a lot more intelligent then many believe.

Secondly, the state polling has all been showing Obama with a lead. Bush actually had the lead in the state polling in Ohio and NM right before the election in '04.

And the constant "they will steal it" is understandable. But also partly self defeating. If you think the Repubs will steal it no matter what, what is the purpose of even voting then? I think be aware but like you said, RB, use your energy to GOTV, etc.

The party is crumbling, their ideology is last century and their base is dying off. Consider more has been spent in this Presidential election, than any other election in history. Senate and House race costs are through the roof.

Seriously, WE ALL KNOW the rethuglicans cannot win a fair, legal, lawful election. They have to try and steal.

And look at what's on the table: (1) KKKarl Rove and his magic electoral machine; (2) the billionaire boy's club and their attempts to buy the country; and (3) the teabillie's last stand with their fascist band of crazy.

I was ready to take to the streets in 2004. I believed the Dem power structure, I donated bookuu bucks. And then I watched the Kerry machine fold and pack it in.

This ain't over till the fat lady sings "The Star Spangled Banner" at President Barrack Hussein Obama's second Inauguration.

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I don't think he was, else Obama wouldn't have won. But I could be wrong.

They could not steal 2008. The eyes of the world were watching the historic election.

I loathe him

Lying, cheating, thieving scumbag... and those are his good qualities.

Personally, I am really worried about election machine hacking.

Antiquated ideology; the American Taliban.

Aging, geriatric base.

Conflicting, internal factions fighting for control of their schziophrenic ideology.

The rethuglicans have to try and make some type of good showing, even if it's false and illegal.

We are watching the death throes of the GOP as we know it.

Posted Wednesday, October 10, 2012
ELECTION SPOILER: Obama wins in a LANDSLIDE

Read it & be relieved.
John Lucas

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In this article:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4776

Which was jointly published in Huffpo here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-levine/mia-in-voting-machine-war_b_2054411.html

Tell you what, why don't all the people who are so intent on telling people "not to worry" just sit down and be quiet. If all goes well on Wednesday, November 7, you can all say "I told you so." And we will all acknowledge that we were just nervous nellies.

Until then, I will be concerned. And it isn't just the voting machines. The electoral supression efforts are already wide-spread and legion. There is more than one side to this issue, and unfortunatley, where we've been screwed royally before is thinking we have the one side well covered.

Being right after a stolen election is something we have experience with.

Based on that experience, we have decided we prefer to use our investigative talents to attempt to prevent election theft rather than lament it.

Every person who holds any office in this country, be they a lawyer, a judge, a serviceperson or politician takes an oath.

That oath includes the phrase "Uphold and defend the constitution of the United States..."

This is why Gore and Kerry in my eyes personally failed. These men should have defended their wins. They chose (for whatever reason) to take a dive (Gore) or not act at all (Kerry). In light of this you cant hang it all on Bush and Rove.

And in light of that we refuse to let it hang on us. We will do any and all things in within our legal power to stop election fraud.

We invite you to join us.

It's not. You know it and I know it.

And the oath that some persons take - Oh yeah, "the Oathkeepers," radical, right-wing crazies, they took that oath also.

Like I said, already there.

We have been reporting on that to. You can read our most recent article here:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4777

Further, many groups are working on Voter Suppression. Many have brought suit. They are all doing fine work. Voter suppression is one of the 3 key things needed to steal an election. The other 2 are Electronic Fraud and Discrediting of Exit Polls.

We are strong on the Electronic Fraud angle so we choose to focus our energy on an area where we are strong and many others choose not to focus.

On the topic of Exit Polls, you can read an article we published here:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4754

...for the Free Press, you know "truth to power since 1970"?

Do you actually read what's posted on your website, and the NUMEROUS articles talking about electoral fraud?

And seriously, does the owner(s) and Editorial Board of said online publication know you are speaking for them?

S/he agrees with you that this is a serious problem, based on CFP's other posts here.

....concerned about, re: Ohio's electoral state of affairs. Everything. All hand-wringing aside, if this election is stolen, it will be stolen in Ohio, just like it was in 2004.

Frankly I don't see how lawyers can do a damn thing to prevent another switcheroo on Tuesday night and by all indications that's exactly what Husted and friends are planning. Lawyers might have prevented it, and they might initiate some useless wrangle afterward, but they can't count the votes, so we're pretty much at Husted's mercy, just like on '04.

Fortunately, according to today's http://www.electoral-vote.com map, BO can win the Electoral vote (281 out of 270 needed) without winning either Ohio or Florida:



But what a waste of four years of campaigning.

...and in the same fucking state as 2004! Have we learned nothing?

And I can't fucking believe Husted is not sitting in a jail somewhere. Seriously. This guy has ADMITTED that he plans on doing everything possible to throw the election to Rmoney. I've seen three-dollar hookers that were not as brazen (not really, but I'm on a roll)!

The point of investigating and exposing fraud is not to assure victory for this or that party.

The idea that a party should have to win in more places and with more votes is disgusting. Because MY vote in Ohio has been sacrificed as useless... meaningless.

Our work here is to defend Democracy... not a party.

Isn't it amazing though, that the Democrats spend much time and money to get out the vote, to bring people to the polls and highlight the issues.

The Republicans, on the other hand, spend much time and money go limit and suppress the vote and obfuscate the issues.

to get to 270 electoral votes, assuming he takes all the other Dem and near Dem states including Nevada, per today's http://www.electoral-vote.com map:



I misread it before and thought Ohio wasn't in the calculation, but it is. So it's going to be just like 2004. Crap.

Around the office we have suspicions about WI,PA,FL and VA...

but we dont have the access to really examine those places

We need a NATIONAL AUTHORITY to deal with the electoral mess.

Talk about irony: the world's so-called premier democracy and it's as precarious as it comes.

I watched 1998, 2000 and 2004 with mounting horror. Each election worse than the other.

just being silly. ACT LIKE A WINNER for CHRIST SAKE ! Project STRENGTH AND CONFIDENCE. TeamObama is READY for any shit. We are ahead in the polls and predictive models. BE STRONG.

flip to the other party, accidentally or intentionally. Remember, these are electronic voting machines we are talking about. You know...the ones that can be messed with in under 5 minutes. And the votes then go to a middleman who then sends them on their way????? Who and why do we need a clearing center for our votes, please tell me????

Our elections have been being stolen since the beginning of this country more than likely. Check out Paul Weyrich. There is a video of him speaking at the Heritage Foundation dinner or some crap. Even youtube has it in their archives. And, believe me, he is very serious. Don't be afraid. Learn the truth.

But...don't let this stop you from voting...the more people that vote, the harder it is for the GOP and the Koch brothers to buy a win. And with the lawyers and poll watchers around, hopefully, some of the less than ethical may have second thoughts about continuing with their plans. Prison anyone?

that's actually been the entire problem. NOBODY'S GONE TO PRISON!!!!!! And it's because the Dems don't want to push the issue. Until somebody up high in the Republican/RW heirarchy actually DOES go to prison for electoral fraud and/or voter suppression, they'll keep on trying it.

Republicans can't depend on the media to call everyone questioning the results a nut. It's a problem for them since they can't make it too close or it'll trigger a recount and they can't make it just outside that margin when Romney is behind in every poll.

My theory is they just want to keep his defeat from being too humiliating and to ensure that classic "red states" don't flip to blue.

The media is acting like the Bush model is the norm with the center of the country being solid red and the Northeast and "Left Coast" being blue and act like they are SHOCKED when Dems score a state outside of their designated zones. This has NEVER been the history of this country.

Came to the Washoe makeup training for poll workers. He sat in the back and was very quiet.

about those patches. They may or may not allow an injunction, if they don't they can possibly
steal the vote. Everything points in that direction though it's hard to believe they'd be so blatant.

A lot of the problems are very specific and rely on dedicated people and luck to get found out,
ballots found in garbage bins, "glitches".

I am not confident until I see Ohio in our column. I think we'd win Florida if it wasn't for dirty tricks.

Likely outcome, IF the Republicans steal the election? In SPITE of all those lawyers, it gets expedited to the SCOTUS and the ROBERT'S court gives it to Romney by a 5-4 vote. IOW, a replay of 2000.

If they want to steal it, they will. My question is and always has been, what do WE as a people do, if they DO steal it?

reason to doubt Obama's lawyers will save the day. Maybe they will, but I'm not going to whistle with the birds until Obama's reelection has been called by several news organizations.

Obama's got this.

dipfucks!

you need a dose of reality. If Fox and all of the other right-wing media, on Wednesday AM, declare Rmoney the winner, all the lawyers in the world won't be enough to change it. The 2000 debacle should have woken everyone up to that fact. It is quite disturbing that anyone, especially at DU, thinks that years of systematic corruption can be undone by a few post-facto lawsuits. Wake Up!

The media is desperately trying to create a false narrative to support a Romney win.

They will definitely flip votes in the machines.

They will very likely flip the outcome in some races.

boring if we didn't!!

...Team has everything under control... thousand lawyers, blah, blah, blah... quit your handwringing...."

However, you make a valid point! Love the cat.

Made me feel alot better.

Where were they?

Don't believe a word you hear on the telly no matter who says it, they're all liars. NPR and BBC too.

at the time. I wrote part of my master's thesis on it. When you see over 90% of the deviations from exit polls favoring the Republicans you have an almost 100% certainty that those deviations weren't random.

....shutting down another hands-on-the-hips smack session!

Bless your heart.

And his plane crash not long before he was due to testify in court about electoral fraud by the Republicans?

New information:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4779

Hey John Husted... We will see you in court at 9am... sharp

but I'm hoping I won't need it! To be honest, I'm doing a Mitt -- flip-flopping between utter euphoria and utter terror. Here in Florida, it's tough to stay positive with all the in-your-face partisan voting shenanigans going on. But I've been told that there are thousands (!) of lawyers at the ready.