who would object to pro-Bernie Sanders posts. Hell, I welcome them right now!

It's the Hillary attack posts we object to. And there are FAR more of those than there are pro-Bernie posts.

I haven't done a case study on which side has flung the most mud. I generally limit my criticism of Clinton to three short sentences:

I don't like her, I don't trust her, I don't intend to vote for her.

If I post Sanders content, it is generally without comment, and I don't post attack pieces.

I do post poll numbers, both for Sanders/Clinton and Clinton/Trump.

And there is a segment of the Hillary supporters here...which very well might be, as you say...a "small handful" of people...who view any post that doesn't praise Clinton as an "attack piece."

I only post from sources which, for the most part, are "sanctioned" by DU. But as I have said before, every time Mother Jones posts a piece about Clinton that is not flattering, there is always someone who slimes them.

My intention as of June 16th is to post nothing...absolutely nothing...about Clinton. I don't intend to engage in that conversation on any level.

And if I post anything about Sanders, it will be about Sanders, not a story in which Sanders attacks Clinton.

And if people look at that as an opportunity to pile on, well, there will be new rules in place.

We have a reality to face here. Some people have chosen Clinton, and I respect that. Some people are not going to vote for her, and I respect that too, although I expect no respect from her supporters for making that decision. Don't expect it, don't want it, don't need it.

and you don't intend to vote for Hillary, if she's the Democratic candidate?

That's disappointing. I can't 'respect' that. Do you really seem Trump being just as good as her?

"none of the above" as a choice, and many of us are making that choice (can't speak for the person you replied to).

Trump has the dishonesty of Nixon, the bigotry of Reagan and the ignorance of GW Bush. Plus an ego bigger than any presidential candidate ever.

How can you not vote for a Democrat over that?

of an irresponsible Democratic party, you do not.

Your vote gives you more ability to stop that than most.

Are you saying that the Democratic party is responsible for Trump?

You have free/very low cost college costs - yes, I know they've gone up, but still far cheaper than here. We have the AHA (yes, better than nothing) and a student loan system out of control. My friends struggle to pay for heath insurance they can't afford to use. My students take on massive debts while getting their degree; or worse, they try to work to avoid some of the debt and don't finish their degrees.

I get that you are concerned about Trump, but I am concerned about encouraging the Democratic Party to continue it's trajectory of destroying the working and middle classes in the U.S.

and then blaming the Democratic party for the inevitable disasters. Yes, you're very irresponsible.

oligarchy they helped put in control in this country. They are the problem right along with the republicans. The two party system is defunct and the people are moving on. We're done being the buttboys and whipping boys of this system. You can stop blaming the people being fucked over for saying NO!!!! No more!!!!

Put the blame where it belongs or you're nothing more than an enabler of a suppressive out of control authoritarian system. Stop fucking blaming the voter when you offer us nothing to vote for.

Irresponsible, and taking risks with other people's lives. The Democratic party is far better than Donald Trump, who is an ignorant, racist egomaniac who would be the worst 'world leader' since Mao. Anyone in a state that might possibly elect him has a duty to humanity to vote Democratic.

for you. I believe in public health and NOT voting for those two is healthy.

You can vote for the Democrat, which adds to the total of the person who might beat him, or you can avoid that, and thus do nothing to help your fellow humans. Just like avoiding vaccinating your children; you're not actively giving them deadly diseases (that would be voting for Trump), but you're not doing a simple thing to save lives.

all those who voted for Hillary are the irresponsible ones. Not only did they vote to "pragmatically" continue the demise of the middle class and expansion of poor, but have voted to "pragmatically" hand all of us over with a smile.

She's a bad candidate. The chips will fall where they fall.

Your duty is to keep Trump out. The difference between Trump and Hillary is many times that between Hillary and Bernie. To refuse to fight a racist because of petty differences inside your party is short-sighted and self-indulgent. "The chips will fall where they will fall" is you saying "Trump is fine with me". Many others will get hurt if he wins.

If Hillary wins. You mistake my feelings for apathy. The differences aren't petty, and the more people refuse to acknowledge that, the worse it will get. Hillary will sell us out. We've seen her do it before, she will do it again.

Spin my words anyway you like to make it palatable. I've never said Trump is fine with me, but I've never said Hillary is either.

That's what being a member of society is about. We should think, not feel, when making political decisions.

Believe me, this is not 'palatable'. I'm losing trust in so many DUers, with this idea that they can treat this presidential election like a game that it's OK to spoil for other people if they're not going to win themselves.

It's no game on this end. I've lost faith in America in general. Seeing who both parties have chosen as their candidate has shown me how bad things really are in this country. On one side we have people who's beliefs have been hijacked by the divisive hatred that's been force fed for decades, on the other we have those who rally around the other half of what's wrong in this country. Our side has put forth the epitome of greed and power hunger while trying to put lipstick on it.

If we as a party did our duty as you say, she wouldn't be the presumptive. Must be some mighty fine lipstick.

given your contempt for the Democratic party. So 'our side' needs some explanation from you - what side are you on?

And you were the one who mentioned your feelings, by the way. I referred to your apathy, after you talked about letting the chips fall where they will, but you insisted it is about your feelings, not apathy.

You had me for a minute there, thought maybe I'd written something I didn't remember. I didn't, you're not being honest.

Seeing as you can't stick to the truth, we're done.

of the working class and middle class. I choose not to support corporations and banks above people. I choose not to encourage the expansion of military conflict. If you call that irresponsible, that's on you.

It reminds me why I came here in the first place

And I'm going to work on making sure this is the me that shows up here. There's been so much acrimony and far to much of it has come from me.

So. Thank you. I hope time heals, and for all of our sakes, I hope Senator Sanders continues forward in the years to come. We have an embarrassment of riches in the Democratic Party- and we need them all.

Peace to you and yours.

in the Democratic party.

Peace to you.

Hillary's history suggests that "the entire world" would be living with unnecessary war, increased corporate control, dubious environmental policies, etc. A bit thinner shit sandwich than Trump offers...but still a shit sandwich.

I don't think anyone here doesn't really know that. I suppose you're just pretending that there's not much difference between him and sane people, so that you can look like a radical left warrior with 'principles'. Nice to do, but when it comes to voting, you need to vote for the candidate that can keep the racist, mad conman out of the White House. It's your duty.

saying you won't vote for Hillary will be against the rules after the 16th so get it out of your system.

Carter was supposed to beat Reagan. Dukakis was going to be beat Bush. Bush was going to beat Clinton. Gallup had McCain beating Obama. And so on.

Historically, those hypothetical general election match-up polls are worthless. People cling to them, but they are worthless. A general election is a whole different dynamic. The focus of the candidates, the media and the electorate changes.

Sanders would face a frontal assault like nothing he's ever encountered. And the Democratic Party base is strongly behind Clinton and not Sanders, so I'd be very concerned about turnout in November were Sanders to become the nominee.

he really is no longer a relevant topic for the general election

What Sanders does and says between now and November will make a significant difference to how likely Clinton is to beat Trump.

Skinner want us to stop attacking Dems and each other.

And best of all, Hillary will be our nominee. 13 days!

and they clearly have some.

And it is generally more positive than the Bernie group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1099

The Bernie group's, apparent at a glance. Going deeper, there's a lot of insulting... We are a bunch of 19 year old freeloading rednecks, apparently. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107153191

And post count, it should be crystal clear to every one of us, is hardly an indicator of positivity and constructiveness, that's just laughable.

So your point has backfired, sorry.

"How Many "Sanders Supporters" On the DU Are Just Republican Trolls?" Like that one? Wow.

I'm impressed. That must have taken you a lot of time.

I don't see any Hillary supporters complaining about pro-Bernie posts. It's the anti-Hillary posters that will be banned. I very much look forward to that.

What will be banned though are posts that continue to promote his candidacy, silly #berniemath scenarios, superdelegate pitches, and the like.

That's what I'm referring to.

Obviously Skinner is not going to allow posts that "undermine" Clinton.

I'm not talking about that.

When we hit GE...there may be no mass purging but try to post shit about our nominee Hillary or back another candidate including Bernie Sanders and see where it gets you.

"see where it gets you."

Sweet Jesus, you have me trembling in my boots.

You're not Skinner, dude...deal with it.

No one's talking about "backing" Sanders.

Right wing crap is posted about Hillary every minute ...and if you think that will continue ...wrong. Personally, I don't attack people just arguments or right wing sourcing... so I have no issue with June 16th. But Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee and the attack post must end.

Lotsa luck.

And of course, there hasn't been an ounce of bitterness or divisiveness from the H-> camp. They've been team players all the way.

Other than that I could not care a less what you do with Bernie...I won't read the posts in any case. I have no interest in Bernie Sanders now or ever.

Other than that I could not care a less what you do with Clinton...I won't read the posts in any case. I have no interest in Hillary Clinton now or ever.

By the way, "I could not care a less" is bad grammar.

Have a nice day.

Here you go... I do not care one tiny bit about Bernie Sanders. I will avoid all mention of him. Better? Or perhaps, I dislike Bernie Sanders and will be glad when he goes back to his tiny state and his less than stellar career in the Senate...assuming he still have a senate career.

I have noticed that most of you will support Trump whether you vote for him, a green spoiler, or sit home and pout, it is still a form of support...I mean who cares about the courts or Roe V Wade (Bernie find such issues a distraction after all)...why Bernie can wag his magic finger and fix it all...and no doubt a Birdie will arrive as well...and unicorns too. Have a very nice day.

Talk about missing the point.

Not once has DU banned people who supported candidates that didn't get the Democratic Nomination. Hillary people were allowed to say in 2008 and moan and pout as they did, Bernie people will be allowed the same.

Those who have been banned were working against the Democratic Nominee. That's Skinner's rule. This is much ado about nothing.

However, pro-Bernie =/= anti-Hillary.

is to load up my ignore list with the mean-spirited, condescension-spewing, anti-Bernie crowd. I have never seen a group of people so hell bent on being flat out nasty when they are "winning".

After receiving my first jury hide in the eight years I've been here for popping back at one who was shitting all over a thread, calling every Sanders' supporter in it names (that person was subsequently PPR'd), I started hitting ignore.

Case in point -- this post has 41 replies..........I only see one.

It's the only way for me to keep my blood
pressure down.

This season has been worse than '08.

And that ends on June 16th.

"Hillary is Satan" posts that people object to.

That, and the pimping of Donald Trump.

I'm the one with the chartreuse colored visor hat cover with Bernie buttons, trying to worm my way to the front with phone camera in hand.

Turn-up the Bern.

Cool.

in reference to a negative about Clinton or vice versa. I welcome a purely positive post about a candidate.

And all the disgusting and over the top anti-Clinton posts to dissappear

Most Clinton supporters don't mind positive pro-Sanders posts ... we don't like the delusional CT posts

Our candidate Hillary Clinton does in the Balkans, Iraq, Colombia/Plan Colombia, Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Honduras, Iran, Yemen, etc.

Do we ignore or applaud or what?