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Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:51 AM Nov 2012

Nate Silver: Obama is "NOW FULLY RECOVERED."

@fivethirtyeight
Obama's win probability peaked at 87% on 10/4, last day before polls reflected Denver debate. Fell to 61% on 10/12. Now fully recovered.


@fivethirtyeight
Obama becoming a heavier favorite, in 538's view. Now 86% to win Electoral College. fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com
5 Nov 12


@fivethirtyeight
Obama unlikely to win by anything like his post-DNC margins. But Romney has no momentum, Obama's state polling is robust, and time is up.

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Nate Silver: Obama is "NOW FULLY RECOVERED." (Original Post) Chichiri Nov 2012 OP
Mittens' momentum ended after the second debate FleetwoodMac Nov 2012 #1
welcome to DU! renate Nov 2012 #3
Thanks! FleetwoodMac Nov 2012 #5
That's still puzzling to me TroyD Nov 2012 #9
Indeed, so long as he wins... FleetwoodMac Nov 2012 #16
Let me say this for the last time... Actionman Nov 2012 #28
It's not the case that the only other option was for Obama to appear angry GOTV Nov 2012 #33
If Kennedy were still alive... BlueDemKev Nov 2012 #39
Yup....we've heard about mitt's momentum from the media for a month Cali_Democrat Nov 2012 #4
Exactly! FleetwoodMac Nov 2012 #6
Like everything else... BlueDemKev Nov 2012 #40
Hey now Cosmocat Nov 2012 #10
lol! FleetwoodMac Nov 2012 #17
wishing don't make it so!! LiberalElite Nov 2012 #19
LOL...hell of a party... nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #44
Yeah, his momentum had him approaching the winning point ... GOTV Nov 2012 #34
Joementum has been exposed TheDonkey Nov 2012 #21
Nate also just posted a link to an article from 1984 predicting an upset Mondale win TroyD Nov 2012 #2
Wonderful news, Nate. AtomicKitten Nov 2012 #7
Let's find a way to thank Nate. momsrule Nov 2012 #8
YES! He HAS been a sanity saver last few weeks! FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #30
Oh, Romney has Momentum all right, Down Hill Momentum. Up2Late Nov 2012 #11
Nate has been unnervingly accurate ... is he a witch? rizlaplus Nov 2012 #12
OMG TY!!! Dixie Darlin Nov 2012 #14
Welcome to DU amuse bouche Nov 2012 #26
Even Yahoo "Not So Much News Here" is finally predicting Obama's win... lexw Nov 2012 #42
Welcome, it gets a bit chaotic here sometimes bigbrother05 Nov 2012 #29
The post-Denver collapse was bizarre though Ebadlun Nov 2012 #13
I think he was already losing his DNC bounce. wildeyed Nov 2012 #15
Maybe it was a good thing, in retrospect. ginnyinWI Nov 2012 #24
Certainly got my attention! wildeyed Nov 2012 #31
really. If they thought they could handle the rest of the campaign as they did the first debate ... GOTV Nov 2012 #35
I think it also gave Obama an excuse to get aggressive in the next debates. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #41
Thanks Nate! faithfulcitizen Nov 2012 #18
And not a moment too soon! Arkana Nov 2012 #20
Exactly, we need ALL cylinders for this fight flamingdem Nov 2012 #22
And so "Mittmentum" joins "Joementum" on the ash heap of history NICO9000 Nov 2012 #23
We need a landslide to win by 1%. julian09 Nov 2012 #25
For What it's worth Obama is moving up on Intrade 66.8% EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #27
Those are the sweetest words... Canuckistanian Nov 2012 #32
87% is really good, and I'm feeling confident, but it's not actually as good as the 87% before... Silent3 Nov 2012 #36
The Big Double Down is beginning, folks rocktivity Nov 2012 #37
yeh, I'm wondering what those so called experts of drama Whisp Nov 2012 #47
How many here consider a 14% chance of a Romney win good enough to buy a keg for the party? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #38
Why is he the only one predicting this? Nasser Ejaz Nov 2012 #43
Obama is now at 91.4% chance of victory ShadowLiberal Nov 2012 #45
I can feel it! VA_4_Democrats Nov 2012 #46

FleetwoodMac

(351 posts)
1. Mittens' momentum ended after the second debate
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:57 AM
Nov 2012

But journos, bloggers and right wing talking heads kept pushing that line, and with the assistance of Gravis, Rasmussen, and most critically, Gallup, the myth momentum went on and on and on....

renate

(13,776 posts)
3. welcome to DU!
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:14 AM
Nov 2012

Damn that first debate.

Thank goodness that Romney-momentum BS is well and truly over and done with. I'm looking at Romney on TV right now and all I can think is Ew.

FleetwoodMac

(351 posts)
5. Thanks!
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:23 AM
Nov 2012

Yeah, I think the President was not prepared for the newly minted Moderate Mitt that appeared on the first debate.
But he certainly whooped Mittens in the next two.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
9. That's still puzzling to me
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:03 AM
Nov 2012

Obama & Axelrod had done so well with everything else this year and yet didn't seem to realize that Mitt was obviously going to lie his ass off in the first debate.

Ted Kennedy called Mitt out on this back in the 1994 debate 18 years ago. So it surprised me that Team Obama didn't realize Mitt would try the same thing he tried with Ted.

Still, as long as Obama wins in the end that one mistake won't matter.

FleetwoodMac

(351 posts)
16. Indeed, so long as he wins...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:48 AM
Nov 2012

Wrt Mittens blindsiding them, I think neither the President nor Mr. Axelrod ever envisioned Romney - or any other politician for that matter - doing multiple 180s on national TV and still retaining his credibility with the right.

Actionman

(115 posts)
28. Let me say this for the last time...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:29 PM
Nov 2012

If Obama had engaged Romney on the level Romney was on that night, Obama would have been damaged more by the media's headlines "President angry at debate" "Obama seemed to lose it at debate" ect.

Now I know white people like to talk about how things are different, but that would scare many whites. Yes scare them and conjure up many of those "angry black man" visions. Even with people seeing Obama as so cool, calm, and in control. That angry image would have been harder to correct than the poor performance.

BTW, if he had engaged Romney, I think it could have turned physical... Now tell me that YOU didn't want to smack Romney's lying ass.

GOTV

(3,759 posts)
33. It's not the case that the only other option was for Obama to appear angry
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:40 PM
Nov 2012

He could have just appeared engaged. He could have used the same humor that he used the very next day at his campaign rallies.

That's an exceedingly thin straw to reach for just to avoid admitting that Obama blew the first debate.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
39. If Kennedy were still alive...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:51 PM
Nov 2012

...we probably would have won this thing hands down. Kennedy knew Mitt Romney very well, knew all about how he campaigns and his "little tricks", and would have been an outstanding inside advisor to Pres. Obama.

Hopefully, we'll make Ted Kennedy smile down upon us from heaven tomorrow night!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
4. Yup....we've heard about mitt's momentum from the media for a month
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:19 AM
Nov 2012

If a politician has loads of momentum for a month, you'd think he'd be leading 60% to 30% by now.

Cosmocat

(14,573 posts)
10. Hey now
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:26 AM
Nov 2012

don't like common sense get in the way of right wing propoganda/liberal media circle jerking!

TheDonkey

(8,911 posts)
21. Joementum has been exposed
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:58 PM
Nov 2012

The Romney surge ended right after Biden laughed in Paul Ryan's face on national TV and Obama/Biden have not looked back since.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
2. Nate also just posted a link to an article from 1984 predicting an upset Mondale win
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:58 AM
Nov 2012

He's getting fierce!

momsrule

(100 posts)
8. Let's find a way to thank Nate.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:54 AM
Nov 2012

Want to thank Nate for his numerical knowhow. Anyone got a clever idea? I am functioning on my nook tablet so have a reduced capacity to be creative, computer crashed a month ago, grrrr.

Dixie Darlin

(5 posts)
14. OMG TY!!!
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:01 AM
Nov 2012

I did not know about Nate, until I just read it here!!

I feel so much better! I have dying for weeks now! I usually on do twitter and FB. But someone tonight on FB told me to check you out! I thought I was losing my mind!
All my FB friends from college seem to be Romnoid fans and I was thinking we were losing!! I am so happy right now! I am in tears!!

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
26. Welcome to DU
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:10 PM
Nov 2012

You can read Nate Silver and Dr Sam Wang. Two different and reliable sites. We will win because we have math on our side

Here ya go

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/ He gives Romney a 13% chance of winning Obama 87%

O-307 Electoral Votes R- 230

http://election.princeton.edu/


As of November 5, 12:01PM EST:
Obama: 303
Romney: 235
Meta-margin: Obama +2.38%

Probability of Obama re-election: Random Drift 98.3%, Bayesian Prediction 99.9%




lexw

(804 posts)
42. Even Yahoo "Not So Much News Here" is finally predicting Obama's win...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:35 PM
Nov 2012

...although, they still have Romney's face plastered all over the "news" page. I guess as a last ditch hope.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
29. Welcome, it gets a bit chaotic here sometimes
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:40 PM
Nov 2012

but you get used to it and with things going the way they look now, it will be a blowout party in less than 36 hours.

Ebadlun

(336 posts)
13. The post-Denver collapse was bizarre though
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:38 AM
Nov 2012

From the way Obama's numbers went down, you'd think he'd line up a load of kittens and then shot them, one by one, while gloating. How can one sub-par performance entirely counteract Romney's entire summer of fail?

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
15. I think he was already losing his DNC bounce.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:09 AM
Nov 2012

And then combine that with the poor debate. I was out of town the week before the first debate, and when I got back, I was already bummed that his poll numbers were seeming less good. Then the debate was a dud on top of it. So maybe it was a combo.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
24. Maybe it was a good thing, in retrospect.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:39 PM
Nov 2012

It gave Obama and his team the kick in the pants they needed to really push this thing through without any complacency.

GOTV

(3,759 posts)
35. really. If they thought they could handle the rest of the campaign as they did the first debate ...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012

... they really needed the shake up.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
41. I think it also gave Obama an excuse to get aggressive in the next debates.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:57 PM
Nov 2012

If he'd been aggressive in the first it could have been spun as him being too angry, painting Romney as an innocent victim.

By not doing as well in the first, he had an excuse to do it: he had to make up ground, he needed to fire up demoralized supporters, etc.

flamingdem

(39,324 posts)
22. Exactly, we need ALL cylinders for this fight
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:59 PM
Nov 2012

Who knows what tricks are in store, like 2008 we need a landslide to beat the shady doings of R's!

Silent3

(15,270 posts)
36. 87% is really good, and I'm feeling confident, but it's not actually as good as the 87% before...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:52 PM
Nov 2012

...because when the Nov. 6 prediction was 87% before, the "Now-cast" was in mid nineties. Since were just one day from the election, a complete recovery to the pre-first-debate high would require getting the Nov. 6 forecast to look much closer to that old mid-nineties Now-cast high point.

At any rate, I'll take what good news I can get.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
37. The Big Double Down is beginning, folks
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:21 PM
Nov 2012
Nov. 4: Did Hurricane Sandy Blow Romney Off Course?
Already, some analysts are describing the storm as an “October surprise” that allowed Mr. Obama to regain his footing after stumbling badly in the first presidential debate and struggling to get back on course. Some Republicans seem prepared to blame a potential defeat for Mitt Romney on the storm, and the embrace of Mr. Obama by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and other public officials. The theory has some appeal...

All the pollsters and pundits who cashed in on Operation Romney Bounce are now in strategic retreat mode so they won't look like idiots trying to explain why Obama's margin of victory was NOT the stuff that dead heats are made of!


rocktivity
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
47. yeh, I'm wondering what those so called experts of drama
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:57 PM
Nov 2012

will call as an excuse for their miserable and pathetic predictions and wailing to ensure their daddy media bosses they work for gets more ad rev. if it's a 'horserace'.

ugh.
I can hear it now, they'll all claim to have said something other than they actually did, like Romnesia.

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