2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNate Silver: Obama is "NOW FULLY RECOVERED."
@fivethirtyeight
Obama's win probability peaked at 87% on 10/4, last day before polls reflected Denver debate. Fell to 61% on 10/12. Now fully recovered.
@fivethirtyeight
Obama becoming a heavier favorite, in 538's view. Now 86% to win Electoral College. fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com
5 Nov 12
@fivethirtyeight
Obama unlikely to win by anything like his post-DNC margins. But Romney has no momentum, Obama's state polling is robust, and time is up.
FleetwoodMac
(351 posts)But journos, bloggers and right wing talking heads kept pushing that line, and with the assistance of Gravis, Rasmussen, and most critically, Gallup, the myth momentum went on and on and on....
renate
(13,776 posts)Damn that first debate.
Thank goodness that Romney-momentum BS is well and truly over and done with. I'm looking at Romney on TV right now and all I can think is Ew.
Yeah, I think the President was not prepared for the newly minted Moderate Mitt that appeared on the first debate.
But he certainly whooped Mittens in the next two.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Obama & Axelrod had done so well with everything else this year and yet didn't seem to realize that Mitt was obviously going to lie his ass off in the first debate.
Ted Kennedy called Mitt out on this back in the 1994 debate 18 years ago. So it surprised me that Team Obama didn't realize Mitt would try the same thing he tried with Ted.
Still, as long as Obama wins in the end that one mistake won't matter.
FleetwoodMac
(351 posts)Wrt Mittens blindsiding them, I think neither the President nor Mr. Axelrod ever envisioned Romney - or any other politician for that matter - doing multiple 180s on national TV and still retaining his credibility with the right.
Actionman
(115 posts)If Obama had engaged Romney on the level Romney was on that night, Obama would have been damaged more by the media's headlines "President angry at debate" "Obama seemed to lose it at debate" ect.
Now I know white people like to talk about how things are different, but that would scare many whites. Yes scare them and conjure up many of those "angry black man" visions. Even with people seeing Obama as so cool, calm, and in control. That angry image would have been harder to correct than the poor performance.
BTW, if he had engaged Romney, I think it could have turned physical... Now tell me that YOU didn't want to smack Romney's lying ass.
GOTV
(3,759 posts)He could have just appeared engaged. He could have used the same humor that he used the very next day at his campaign rallies.
That's an exceedingly thin straw to reach for just to avoid admitting that Obama blew the first debate.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...we probably would have won this thing hands down. Kennedy knew Mitt Romney very well, knew all about how he campaigns and his "little tricks", and would have been an outstanding inside advisor to Pres. Obama.
Hopefully, we'll make Ted Kennedy smile down upon us from heaven tomorrow night!
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)If a politician has loads of momentum for a month, you'd think he'd be leading 60% to 30% by now.
FleetwoodMac
(351 posts)Makes you wonder if "momentum" has an alternative right wing definition.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...in the right-wingers' alternative universe.
Cosmocat
(14,573 posts)don't like common sense get in the way of right wing propoganda/liberal media circle jerking!
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)GOTV
(3,759 posts)... asymptotically </geek>
TheDonkey
(8,911 posts)The Romney surge ended right after Biden laughed in Paul Ryan's face on national TV and Obama/Biden have not looked back since.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)He's getting fierce!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)momsrule
(100 posts)Want to thank Nate for his numerical knowhow. Anyone got a clever idea? I am functioning on my nook tablet so have a reduced capacity to be creative, computer crashed a month ago, grrrr.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,022 posts)Up2Late
(17,797 posts)or
p = mv
rizlaplus
(159 posts)Dixie Darlin
(5 posts)I did not know about Nate, until I just read it here!!
I feel so much better! I have dying for weeks now! I usually on do twitter and FB. But someone tonight on FB told me to check you out! I thought I was losing my mind!
All my FB friends from college seem to be Romnoid fans and I was thinking we were losing!! I am so happy right now! I am in tears!!
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)You can read Nate Silver and Dr Sam Wang. Two different and reliable sites. We will win because we have math on our side
Here ya go
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/ He gives Romney a 13% chance of winning Obama 87%
O-307 Electoral Votes R- 230
http://election.princeton.edu/
As of November 5, 12:01PM EST:
Obama: 303
Romney: 235
Meta-margin: Obama +2.38%
Probability of Obama re-election: Random Drift 98.3%, Bayesian Prediction 99.9%
lexw
(804 posts)...although, they still have Romney's face plastered all over the "news" page. I guess as a last ditch hope.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)but you get used to it and with things going the way they look now, it will be a blowout party in less than 36 hours.
Ebadlun
(336 posts)From the way Obama's numbers went down, you'd think he'd line up a load of kittens and then shot them, one by one, while gloating. How can one sub-par performance entirely counteract Romney's entire summer of fail?
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)And then combine that with the poor debate. I was out of town the week before the first debate, and when I got back, I was already bummed that his poll numbers were seeming less good. Then the debate was a dud on top of it. So maybe it was a combo.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)It gave Obama and his team the kick in the pants they needed to really push this thing through without any complacency.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)GOTV
(3,759 posts)... they really needed the shake up.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)If he'd been aggressive in the first it could have been spun as him being too angry, painting Romney as an innocent victim.
By not doing as well in the first, he had an excuse to do it: he had to make up ground, he needed to fire up demoralized supporters, etc.
faithfulcitizen
(3,191 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)(Please, God, don't let Romney win the White House.)
flamingdem
(39,324 posts)Who knows what tricks are in store, like 2008 we need a landslide to beat the shady doings of R's!
NICO9000
(970 posts)julian09
(1,435 posts)EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)was down to 63% at the lowest.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)"time is up"
Silent3
(15,270 posts)...because when the Nov. 6 prediction was 87% before, the "Now-cast" was in mid nineties. Since were just one day from the election, a complete recovery to the pre-first-debate high would require getting the Nov. 6 forecast to look much closer to that old mid-nineties Now-cast high point.
At any rate, I'll take what good news I can get.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Already, some analysts are describing the storm as an October surprise that allowed Mr. Obama to regain his footing after stumbling badly in the first presidential debate and struggling to get back on course. Some Republicans seem prepared to blame a potential defeat for Mitt Romney on the storm, and the embrace of Mr. Obama by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and other public officials. The theory has some appeal...
All the pollsters and pundits who cashed in on Operation Romney Bounce are now in strategic retreat mode so they won't look like idiots trying to explain why Obama's margin of victory was NOT the stuff that dead heats are made of!
rocktivity
Whisp
(24,096 posts)will call as an excuse for their miserable and pathetic predictions and wailing to ensure their daddy media bosses they work for gets more ad rev. if it's a 'horserace'.
ugh.
I can hear it now, they'll all claim to have said something other than they actually did, like Romnesia.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Nasser Ejaz
(3 posts)Are there any mainstream pundits?
ShadowLiberal
(2,237 posts)VA_4_Democrats
(20 posts)Yes, we're totally there! 100% victory, no sweat and no worries!!