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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:12 PM Jun 2016

Let's clear up a couple of things about Vermont politics

it's plain as day that most people here haven't a clue. Vermont Politics are different. They really are. Where else would you have a subsistence farmer with an eighth grade education beating the crap out of a well funded (carpetbagger) for the nomination for the the Republican U.S. Senate, and then promptly turning around and endorsing the democrat, who just happened to be Pat Leahy? In what other state would the three democratic candidates for governor, 2 of whom endorsed him, go hats in hand to the recent Vermont Progressive Party Convention and not only ask for the VPP endorsement, but each offr to run as hybrid D/VPP?

The Vermont Democratic Party is now the party of Bernie. That is no exaggeration. They unanimously supported him for President at the convention 2 weeks ago. And Bernie supporters won the the seats on the DNC.

I haven't a clue if Bernie will run in 2018. My guess is he won't. But that is no guarantee that a democrat or anyone less iconoclastic than Bernie, will win. Odds are that if Bernie doesn't run, a Bernie Dem, VPP member or hybrid D/VPP candidate will replace him. I can assure you, it won't be our current governor, Peter Shumlin. He couldn't get elected dog catcher anywhere in the state.

I'd be fine with Bernie not running. He'll be 77. He's done yeoman's work for decades. Honestly, I would have preferred if Pat had chosen not to to run this year. 43 years in the Senate is a long run.

We grow good very progressive politicians here.

You want to throw money to defeat our progressive politicians running for congress, go for it. Nothing could be more assured of failure.

We'll just laugh our asses off as your petty malice and utter cluelessness.

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Let's clear up a couple of things about Vermont politics (Original Post) cali Jun 2016 OP
Primarying Bernie would be childish, petty, vindictive, Codeine Jun 2016 #1
Bernie Sanders: Obama should be primaried. nt msongs Jun 2016 #3
That's very different democrattotheend Jun 2016 #13
Agree, but that is what is being called for by leftinportland Jun 2016 #4
Yes, and several Hillary supporters expressed that they didn't appreciate the thread auntpurl Jun 2016 #5
A very small number of people Codeine Jun 2016 #7
Some people can't seem to get over winning democrattotheend Jun 2016 #15
The only person I can picture trying it would be Dean(either as candidate or mastermind). Ken Burch Jun 2016 #8
nope. Dean wouldn't stand a chance even if Bernie chooses not to run cali Jun 2016 #9
Hey Cali auntpurl Jun 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #6
No one is going to remember this week in 2018 Trenzalore Jun 2016 #10
Why you trying to harsh democracy? jk.. boston bean Jun 2016 #11
why are you always making stuff up? cali Jun 2016 #12
It was a joke, cali. boston bean Jun 2016 #14
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
1. Primarying Bernie would be childish, petty, vindictive,
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jun 2016

and doomed to absolute certain failure. That last one is unforgivable in politics; you never want to primary someone like that and fail.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
13. That's very different
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jun 2016

I didn't support his call to primary Obama, but Bernie's call to primary Obama in 2012 was clearly based on issues. There is a big difference between saying someone needs to be primaried because he has failed to keep campaign promises and has not been progressive enough and saying someone should be primaried because of sour grapes over another election.

Plus, Bernie as a US citizen is a constituent of the president and thus had an interest in the 2012 election. Most of the people calling for Bernie to be primaried are not from Vermont, probably have never been to Vermont, and have no vested interest in the Vermont primary in 2018 other than retribution.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
15. Some people can't seem to get over winning
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jun 2016

It was the same way in 2008. Some Obama supporters went nuts over Hillary's refusal to concede starting in May (maybe earlier). I kept telling them "we won, get over it."

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
8. The only person I can picture trying it would be Dean(either as candidate or mastermind).
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jun 2016

It's been clear this entire cycle that Dean's support of HRC and passionate opposition to Bernie is based on a deeply-felt personal rage towards the man...possibly fueled by jealousy, given how much better Bernie did in 2016 than Dean did in 2004. Every time you saw Dean on tv this cycle, his entire body seemed clenched with anger.

If the national Dems tried primarying Bernie, the most likely result would be that Vermont Dems would break with the national party and join the VPP and other smaller parties in their own independent grouping...instantly putting the state under the total political dominance of a left-wing third party.

Even DWS wouldn't be crazy enough to go there.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
2. Hey Cali
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jun 2016


Was wondering where you've been - haven't seen you around GDP much (not that anyone could blame anyone for not coming in here!)

Response to cali (Original post)

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
10. No one is going to remember this week in 2018
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jun 2016

Unless Bernie has a complete meltdown and decides to turn Philadelphia into Chicago 1968.

Most likely outcome

Bernie is going to meet with the President and Senator Reid on Thursday. Than sometime in the next week he will meet with Secretary Clinton. At this point changes to the nominating process, platform, and committee assignments will be discussed. Bernie will be offered a role in a Clinton administration. Personally I think he'd make a great Secretary of Labor. He will most likely decline and be given a more prominent leadership role in the Senate.

As long as Bernie doesn't have a complete meltdown he will walk away with a higher profile and more than a few things he wants.

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