2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSomebody talk me down about Ohio...
I just saw Rachel's clip on voter suppression through onerous voting ID laws last night and I'm freaking a bit. Despite Obama's lead on paper it is going to be VERY FUCKING CLOSE. "And with provisional ballots the outcome may not be known for weeks."
Tell me that I'm wrong - Obama will have Ohio safely in the win column by 11pm!??
Pisces
(5,599 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)ironically the voters who probably did not vote in 2010 is the reason why Ohio was taken over by republicans, and now those same republicans are trying to keep those same voters from not voting in 2012
morningfog
(18,115 posts)How do you know those are the ones that are facing challenges to voting this year?
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)But it is obvious that the tea party types voted in 2010, while voters who normally would have voted Democratic stayed home. Those voters would include minorities and young people who are probably the ones facing the most challenges this year from the Rep in power.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Just because teapartiers won some races doesn't mean minorities and young people stayed home.
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)If you believe that Democratic voters turnout in mid-term or off year elections as they do in presidential elections then ok.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)You know darned well that a lot of Obama's base did not turn out in 2010. It was a combination of Tea Party enthusiasm and lack of enthusiasm among Democrats.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)You claimed it was minorities and youth.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)Nt
morningfog
(18,115 posts)LeftInTX
(25,372 posts)Kay Bailey Hutchinson, a US senator, a highly respected republican, friend of GWB etc lost in the primary. It was due to low turn out.
A bunch of loons came out & voted.
No one in Texas likes Rick Perry.
No one
underpants
(182,829 posts)"the lines will be too long" etc.
budkin
(6,703 posts)teddy51
(3,491 posts)There is currently a law suit filed against the SOS for putting in an illegal patch to 39 counties in EV machines.
This has all been confirmed by Nina Turner, Senator in OH. (Democratic)
Oh, and we will win in OH.
kerouac2
(449 posts)between Obama and romney then we would have to wait until at least 11/17 for them to even start counting the provisional ballots. They sent out 7 million absentee ballots, so the possibility for evil shenanigans between election day and the end of the month is possible IMHO...
I hope I'm wrong, so someone please correct me if I am...
I hope the long lines and fraudulent, downright criminal behavior from the GOP aren't enough to put them close enough to do something like this.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)Not sure if the Justice Department is actually monitoring Ohio polling places, but they're allowed, and with all the mischief that's been going on there, my guess would be they are.
Justice Department ?@TheJusticeDept
On Election Day, the DOJ will be monitoring polling places in 23 states. More info: http://go.usa.gov/YAvx
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/examine/activ_exam.php
Political subdivisions that are eligible for federal observers as a result of court orders under the Voting Rights Act:
State
Subdivision
Terms
California Alameda 10/19/11 order, effective until 3/30/17
Riverside County 4/30/10 order, effective until 3/31/13
Louisiana St. Landry Parish 12/5/79 order, effective "until further order of this Court"
Nebraska Colfax 3/2/12 order, effective until 3/30/15
New Mexico Sandoval County 7/6/11 order, effective through 3/15/13
(previously covered by 12/17/84, 5/17/90, 9/9/94, 11/8/04, 11/28/07, 3/3/09, 3/2/11 orders)
New York Orange County 4/24/12 order, effective through 1/31/15
Village of Port Chester (Westchester County) 12/22/09 order, effective through 6/22/16
Ohio Cuyahoga County 9/3/10 order, effective until 3/30/14
Lorain County 10/6/11 order, effective until 3/30/14
pointsoflight
(1,372 posts)I think we have a big enough margin that we'll get OH despite potential suppression and shenanigans. BUT, it could take quite a while to be finalized, so I'm hoping we get to 270 without OH. I want this officially done tomorrow night.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Or we could be sitting here until end of November still trying to figure out who won OH.
godai
(2,902 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)godai
(2,902 posts)Voters who do not have any of the above forms of identification, including a Social Security number, will still be able to vote by signing an affirmation statement swearing to the voters identity under penalty of election falsification and by casting a provisional ballot.
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/elections/Voters/FAQ/ID.aspx
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Still may scare off some voters, hopefully not.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Why worry about something that you cannot change, even though it most likely will not happen?
These freak out threads do no one any good.
Everyone is nervous. Don't increase their anxiety by expressing your own.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)you should never, never watch Rachel the night before an important election. I love her most of the time, but she is not going to be a calming influence. Turn off the TV and have faith in Obama's people.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Maeve
(42,282 posts)The ID issue isn't nearly as onerous as portrayed (we've had ID laws for 5-6 years and most people will have no problem with it) and the provisional vote issue is being over-stated. It COULD matter IF this happens, or it COULD come down to X IF...yada, yada. The poll workers in Ohio are evenly balanced between Dems and Reps by law, there will be numerous lawyers' eyes everywhere and it's not going to be as close as hyped.
Most of the polls ask only "Obama or Romney" and there are a dozen others on the ballot here. I have a strong suspicion many will find they just can't bring themselves to vote Romney when it comes down to it.