always comical to 'read' perceptions of supporters of opposition 'Something like that is what I'd say'

Good thing you're not Bernie

DNC platform is the goal now... buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride

There may be some changes from the previous platform, but they won't be huge or earthshaking. I read it again recently, and it reflects most of what Democrats have favored for a long time. As with everything else having to do with the Democratic Party's official voice, the platform will be voted on by the committee, issue by issue. The majority opinion will prevail, as it always does.

As the presumptive nominee, Clinton will have the majority of platform committee members on her side, of course. Still, the bottom line is that the actual platform has only a general effect on any candidate's positions on specific issues. It's a general statement that normally does not include details on how things will be implemented.

If you haven't done so recently, I recommend reading the current platform document. See what you think should be changed in it. The new one is going to look a lot like the old one.

The nominee, if elected, becomes the leader of the national Democratic Party. The second-place finisher does not. Expect that to be reflected in the platform.

what are politicians and establishment more afraid of? HRC or engaged public that shows up in growing numbers in rallies?

concessions towards Bernie have already been made that are remarkable, you know this as well as I... I'd consider it a precedent

The party needs to be brought back to it's roots, to it's liberal / progressive foundation

Holding ANY nominee to that will matter, you and I both know that

the 'leader' of the party is and always will be the people of said party... they dictate the party's direction through the platform, if said nominee can't stick to that platform then they will be pushed aside either by being primaried or simply losing support from within the party and losing said election

What do you call it when a nominee deviates from the platform of party?

Pragmatism. Obama has had to do it many times, due to facing a Republican Congress. Getting things done is essential, even if they don't meet the ideal.

The fundamental idea of democracy is that differing opinions are debated and compromise is found. Every president has had to accept that their party's platform can inform their policies but compromise will be required in order to accomplish large goals.

The Democratic Party's platform expresses wonderful ideals and goals. It's unrealistic to think that they can all be accomplished in one or two presidential terms.

As always, you've made excellent observations, MineralMan.

'“The timid person yearns for full value and asks for a tenth. The bold person strikes for double value and compromises on par.”

"All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take."

"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."

you and I have different perceptions on 'getting things done'...

it's a fact that DEM party is being pulled right because mindsets like yourself are unwilling to take a firmer stand on the ideology that created the DEM party...

I get that compromise is required within politics but it's WHOM that gives up first that this 'shifting' occurs

When did the DEM party give up on it's party members to allow this shift to occur in the first place?

HRC is just an outcome of a condition that this party's establishment allowed to happen

what I consider 'IDEAL' is to fight harder for the ideals that this party was created under

Second, the DEM party voters voted for Hillary. They heard the speeches, looked at the issues and picked Hillary.

Deal.

the 'ramming down thy throat' reply... always love this pivot when the debate on a topic is lost by HRC supporters

Both sides do not get championship trophies. He isn't the co-winner.

Voters voted for her. Only on Reddit and under a few internet rocks here and there does the reality of voters voting and choosing another candidate constitute "shoving it down your throat" as orthodoxy.

So yeah. Nominee, because (and you'll like this part) POWER TO THE PEOPLE. aka, the voters.

indeed power to the people... unprecedented concessions given to Bernie on seats on platform committee...

convention will be fun, buckle up, it'll be a bumpy ride

I think you will be the listener first. No matter who called the meeting! He will probably have to finger wag a time or two to get a point in.

Congratulations are in order and will be expected. Offering to help with the campaign is also in order and expected. Bernie will be the one to open the conversation. What I wrote is how I would do it.

carefully scheduled to both give him due respect as a major candidate with a power base and to act as broker between him and Hillary, setting the ground for this meeting. I'm guessing our man in the Oval Office helped establish some basic expectations and framework for this meeting.

will scold Hillary Clinton and insist that his way is the only way. I can't imagine that a career politician like Senator Sanders would do any such thing. He isn't the presumptive nominee. He is the runner-up in this primary season.

delusions being displayed here that he can dictate. Her position is tremendously stronger now, and he has concurrently lost much of his leverage--but I would imagine he'll try to use it for all it's worth.

I do wonder how skilled a negotiator he is and if he's calmed down enough to completely regain his professionalism since his staff commented on his emotional state for that last Politico article.

He will be full of nothing but demands. I'd put money on it.

Even if Bernie pouts and makes demands all the way through to Election Day.

People might vote for Trump because somebody on the internet told the truth about Bernie?

Oh my. Too funny. Illogical, but funny.

THAT is the indisputable truth.

rules. And it will mean nothing, the movement continues.

The total available is about 4800. That's a thumping by any measure.

Or are they only rigged in states he lost? Do tell.

willingness to disregard the will of the people. I understand many people are very sincere in these statements, but they are not backed up by evidence.

He's simply not in a position to do that with any effectiveness.

Let's give Senator Sanders the benefit of the doubt. I expect he'll be a gentleman and a professional when he meets with Secretary Clinton. He deserves that respect, I think.

Let's move on, be gracious to our fellow Democrats and make certain we do all we can to defeat the Republicans, especially Donald Trump.

So I think you responded to the wrong person here. As for Bernie I have zero use for him given his same propensity to smear Democrats and the DNC instead of focusing on the Republican Party which is the real problem in this country.

Actually, I was responding to you, MaggieD. I've skimmed through your journal and I respect both your views and your writing ability to express them effectively. I especially noticed the latest entry where you wrote, "Can we please stop smearing Democrats here? There is never a shred of substance to these kind of posts. Be respectful that you're at a site to support Democrats."

For the last year, I've read the vociferous comments back and forth between supporters of Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders. The uncivil behavior by far too many posters has been tiresome and counter-productive. It's caused some rifts that won't be healed.

My respectful suggestion is simply that now it's time to focus on our real enemies, the Republicans. The primary battle is behind us and Secretary Clinton will be our nominee.

As he has made crystal clear over and over throughout the course of his career. In fact in 38 years of voting I have never seen someone run for the Dem party's nomination who so ceaselessly smeared Democrats. All Bernie needs to do at this point, IMO, is go a long, long way away.

The problem is that you don't even know what the battle was.

Which, is precisely the reason Bernie decided to run.

Bernie Sanders has considerable respect for Hillary, too. They've competed for the nomination, and Clinton has won that competition. She will be the President and he will be a Senator from Vermont. There is no way around that simple fact. Bernie, like the rest of us, does not want Donald Trump in the White House. He won't be on the ballot, though, so he'll be looking for ways to help elect the Democrat who will be on the ballot.

Bernie Sanders is a smart man. He understands politics. He will do what works.

Glad these silly oposts will stop after a few more days!

I don't understand.

However, the OP I wrote will not be something I wouldn't write later. In fact, I'm sure I'll write a number of similar posts during the GE campaign.

tried to stick closely to following the DU TOS. I've had a few posts hidden over the past 8 years, but not many at all. I treat hidden posts as failures on my part to be civil. I have great respect for what the admins of this site are trying to do, and have no interest in pushing the limits of those standards. That's why I didn't understand what the poster I originally replied to was trying to say.

It's similar to my desired behavior on this board and in life.

DU member auntpurl has a great sig line: Civility is the new sexy.

It's also what I expect to happen. When primary campaigns are over, people work together again toward their common goals. It happened in 2008, and the vast majority of Clinton supporters ended up working to elect Barack Obama and voted for him. So it will be in 2016, too. Clinton turned to support Obama, even before the convention. Bernie Sanders will do much the same, I'm certain.

Despite their differences, Clinton and Sanders have many goals in common. They'll work toward those goals to elect a Democratic President in November. People who think that will not happen are going to see that it will. Most will join in supporting the Democratic nominee. A few might now, but not enough to spoil the election, I'm certain.

"You know, after careful reflection, I have been a tool of Wall Street. How can I help you advance your agenda? Actually, never mind. I'll withdraw from the race and allow someone not so badly tainted by money take the nomination."

Perfect fodder for a skit

Raising children teaches you a great deal more.

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.

but yeah, it would be cool as hell to hear it.