That is the only solution that will work.

The flip side of Trump will be like night and day... She's measured, confident, common sense ideas... Madame President indeed!

I describe it as dimwitted hater versus brilliant statesperson.

-- Calls for more aggressive air strikes in the Middle East in order to "defeat" what causes this. You can't defeat an ideology.

--Calls for increased intelligence "surge" among the population (spying)

--Individuals who are on the no fly list/ or under FBI investigation shouldn't be able to purchase a firearm. The no fly list is notoriously unreliable and there is no accountability, leaves room for abuse of power. By Hillarys own standards she may not be able to purchase a gun hersef.

Everything else in the speech was good, but those few lines were some red flags.

and if the victims are anonymous 3rd world women and children, I don't think it really bothers the Hawks.

Mark my words, she will go out of her way to prove she's "tough", and that translates into a lot of dead civilians. I hope I am wrong but her track record is discomforting WRT excessive use of military force.

I can't imagine who you are even talking about.

That's different than how you're presenting it.

Rump, on the other hand, has no well thought out arguments. All he's got are childish insults and self-congratulatory statements. What a stupid and pathetic loser the Repubs have chosen.

Due process is overrated...

she started with "this is not a day for politics " and then gave a long campaign speech. Senator on 9/11, etc. more generic blather about wiping out isis (how, again?). I'll be avoiding tv for the next several months.

First thank God we have someone sane running, and second this is one of the reasons why Sanders lost me. His experience in world issues all boil down to one thing, it's the 1%. Clinton understands and is forming a policy that will address the 1% and terror threats. It's not one dimensional.

Well said.

And you might look at the true impact of people with too much power acting their own interests at the expense of everyone else.

(It's one reason for all of the hate directed at us internationally.)

with most of her focus on the radical Islam aspect?

I'll guess it wouldn't be. Ever.

See this whole DU discussion about this important issue, please...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027904702

It's a pretty straightforward query.


I've seen the discussion. I agree with President Obama, this was terrorism AND a hate crime. It is certainly a hate crime, it is certainly terrorism with both domestic and foreign-inspired elements.

But that wasn't the question, was it. Could Hillary herself ever say enough on this matter to satisfy you in particular?

I doubt it.

enough at this point. Failing to look it in the face because it's more politically palatable and better fits her electability narrative to focus on terrorism, no, that is not enough. There is no need to pick a fight, that is not what this post is about, if you can leave that and discuss the problem of not focusing on homophobia, that would be great.

"Still, as I have said before, none of us can close our eyes to the fact that we do face enemies who use their distorted version of Islam to justify slaughtering $ innocent people. They’d take us all back to the Stone Age if they could, just as they have in parts of Iraq and Syria.

The terrorist in Orlando targeted LGBT Americans out of hatred and bigotry. And an attack on any American is an attack on all Americans.

(APPLAUSE) And I want to say this to all the LGBT people grieving today in Florida and across our country. You have millions of allies who will always have your back.

(APPLAUSE)

And I am one of them.

(APPLAUSE)

From Stonewall to Laramie, and now Orlando, we’ve seen too many examples of how the struggle to live freely, openly and without fear has been met by violence. We have to stand together, be proud together. There is no better rebuke to the terrorists and all those who hate.

Our open, diverse society is an asset in the struggle against terrorism, not a liability. It makes us stronger and more resistant to radicalization. And this raises a larger point about the future of our country.

America is strongest when we all believe that we have a stake in our country and our future.

CLINTON: This vision has sustained us from the beginning. The belief that, yes, we are all created equal and the journey we have made to turn that into reality over the course of our history, that we are not a land of winners and losers, that we should all have the opportunity to live up to our God-given potential. And we have a responsibility to help others do so as well.

(APPLAUSE)

As I look at American history, I see that this has always been a country of “we” not “me.” We stand together because we are stronger together. E pluribus unum. One — out of many, one — has seen us through the darkest chapters of our history. Ever since 13 squabbling colonies put aside their disagreements and united because they realized they were going to rise together or fall separately, generation after generation has fought and marched and organized to widen the circle of dignity and opportunity. Ending slavery. Securing and expanding the right to vote. Throwing open the doors of education. Building the greatest middle class the world has ever seen.

And we are stronger when more people can participate in our democracy.

(APPLAUSE)

it in a similar way she as is touting the importance of fighting Islamic terrorism, though. Nothing concrete, just an assertion that we're all equal. That's nice, but there's nothing saying we need to go beyond just standing together, which is exactly what is needed. This seems to me to be speaking in platitudes in relation to anti-LGBT hate crimes.

Before you say this is partisan, understand that I didn't hear Bernie saying much about it, either. The complaint is about the convenience of not looking our own society's hatred in the eye. Our own country's hate crimes against LGBT are too frequent. Here is a huge opportunity to address it, and we're barely glancing at it.

That fundamentalist religions play this up and even justify it is a major concern, but not the only concern.

so I look forward to the progress that will continue going forward. I think SBS will be a part of it as well.

Though that is beside the point about how she is reacting to THIS LGBT massacre.
Do you not hear that she is talking about Islam and not anti-LGBT terrorism??

And yes she said if you harm one of us you harm all of us. Paraphrasing a bit. I like this Clinton, so, so.. Hmm ah yes, presidential.

you can pretty much renew your dislike with whatever you find. Although, this question seems a lot like did she say the exact words Radical Jihadist extremest bad mean Muslims. Exactly phrased that way. So I am afraid you will have to feel vindicated.

genuinely feel better about her. I am concerned here with the issue and not my feelings about her... Please see this post, if you would like to understand instead of pigeonholing my comments...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027904702

pay attention!

Meaning her message would be "we need to take steps to fight homophobia, and here are the concrete steps that I propose." Vs. simply we need to "stand together" which is such non-actionable kumbaya. Her main focus is on Islamic terrorism, not anti-LGBT terrorism. If you are not LGBT maybe you cannot detect the meaningful distinction, and if you are, well: pay attention, as you say. Please take a look at this if you are authentically interested in understanding the issue:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1487297
The issue is being lost on the media, and on politicians.

Yours. Yes, we want guidance from our leaders but ultimately, if you are truly interested in combating homophobia, then get as educated as you can on the subject and take it to the world. If you see someone on FB being homophobic, point it out. Same thing here or on Twitter.

Having dinner with friends and someone makes a remark, even in a joking way, bring them to task. You'll probably lose friends over it but that's what it takes to combat homophobia.

Also, if you belong to a church where your pastor condemns gays, find a new church that doesn't and encourage your friends to join you.

Finally, support candidates that may not measure up to where you think they ought to be but are trying hard nonetheless. We can't want our politicians to be pro-LGBTQ and then condemn them because they aren't pro-LGBTQ enough.

She is not leading on hate crimes against LGBT and how much more of a wake-up is needed for her to see this?

The issue is homophobic crime. It is not the more politically salient and easier-to-rally-people-on Islamic terrorism.

but she doesn't have to hold a seminar on hate crimes to do that.

posted in this thread. If you want to defend her, I'm not going to stop you, but you can't change the facts. I hope her staffers will wise her up to this sooner rather than later. It's just sad that all these people lose their lives so violently and she's skirting this difficult cultural issue.

Be well.

Her confidence seems like it has just skyrocketed.

The woman has arrived and is ready to serve!

She looks and sounds presidential, he like a spoiled, angry 4th grader.