I keep going back and forth. Sometimes I think the system is so deeply fucked up that somebody as disruptive as Bernie — maybe he doesn’t even do a good job as president but he jars something loose in our system and something exciting happens.

The American government is a very volatile, dangerous mechanism, and Hillary has the most experience with it. It's like if you were on a plane and you wanted to choose a pilot. You have one person, Hillary, who says, "Here's my license. Here's all the thousands of flights that I've flown. Here's planes I've flown in really difficult situations. I've had some good flights and some bad flights, but I've been flying for a very long time, and I know exactly how this plane works." Then you've got Bernie, who says, "Everyone should get a ride right to their house with this plane." "Well, how are you going to do that?" "I just think we should. It's only fair that everyone gets to use the plane equally." And then Trump says, "I'm going to fly so well. You're not going to believe how good I'm going to fly this plane, and by the way, Hillary never flew a plane in her life." "She did, and we have pictures." "No, she never did it." It's insane.