Not that he'll accept it though.

your the guy that first told us about the Mormon thing... do you really think he will White Horse it again.. i don't see how with changing demographics he can possibly repackage himself....

but I can't see the Rs getting behind R$ again. Age and the fact that he isn't well liked within his own party.

someone better will beat him then too.

He's not very well like by republicans, he didn't run a good campaign, and this loss will damage him.

So the handwriting's on the wall for Mittsy. It says, IT'S OVER.

Bake

I think it took a lot of back-room deals and arm twisting for them to clear the way for him this time and he still barely got the nod. They gave him his shot knowing that he would probably fail and then they can be rid of him and run one of there more popular and well polished guys. His promise of being able to bring in big money donors was his only strong point.

Remember how bad Gore took it when he got fucked out of winning Florida? Fuck Mitt Romney.

in some time.

I believe he may be showing signs of NPD.

and not very good at it, because he can't charm very many people.

other than the normal, stubbornness, fastidiousness, etc. he also fits with this trait: The need to amass possessions and wealth. Why, when he's worth so much would he take extreme measures for avoiding taxes?

Remember the Seamus incident? Far beyond the dog thing, what troubled me the most, was how his son, in Vanity Fair (Feb 2012), described him. The trip was meticulously planned from Boston to Ontario. He even calculated the exact time and place where he would stop for gas. He then informed his family that there would be two stops at these two locations, and there would be NO exceptions. Who does this, except an anal retentive ? My dad never liked to stop, but there would be no way in hell he wouldn't if one of us had to use the bathroom.

or it wasn't his fault. I expect the guy to spend the next four years yelling " I told you so", with that weak smile of his.

Deep down ............ the GOP did not like Romney and had to swallow their dislike because of their united hate for a democrat / black man in THEIR white house. There is absolutely NO WAY they would allow Romney another shot if he lost. Unlike McCain who was still viewed as the leader of the GOP for a short while after the elections in 2008, Romney will not even get that mantle for a few days once he has lost. It will be back to McConnel, Boehner, Santorum, Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of the pests.

Where a candidate for president loses the election and then gets renominated later on - either the next election year or further out? Mitt might try for it, but I doubt either party would want to try again with a "verified loser."

The annoying thing is that while McCain was "happy" to return to the Senate and be bitter and act like a snot toward Obama, he wasn't a complete publicity hog... No, we got Sarah Palin for that who decided that for some reason America needed her opinions and book tours as some sort of antidote to Obama. I have the feeling Mittens is going to be like that, and when there are negative news about something, he's going to be more than happy to pop up on Fox and talk about how he warned about <insert whatever course of action Obama took concerning whatever issue>.

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So even though he lost in 1960, he was still someone who had been on a winning ticket with Eisenhower.

If Romney & Ryan lose they will both be on a losing ticket.

I still think, Myth was the GOP sacrificial lamb. They didn't want to run their top tier person against Obama. Just look at the band of misfits and loonies running for the nomination. But Myth had the money and desire to steamroll through the most obvious love-hate relationship in the party to win the nod. He won and has had lukewarm party support right down to the end. So, a loss here, is the final bullet to his dream of carrying the title of POTUS.

He was cannon fodder. If he won great, but they will not lose the war to get him elected. They are playing a long game here and his loss is just one hiccup in the road. Plus it was Mitt's turn, now they don't have to run a 1% cultist in the next election cycle. It's like an NFL tanking the last 6 games in a season to get a better draft pick next year.

popularity was still decent. They didn't know and didn't predict correctly that it would go down so much. As it stands, Obama WILL win....but who knows what would be happening today if he was running against someone sane? As the economy continues to recover, so will Obama's popularity. By 2014, he will be riding high again, and the repukes won't have a platform anymore.

and he's an easy target for it.

No, we won't see another Romney until Tagg in 2028



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far more massive than his.

And Ann's health may not stand up to another run. Remember, this is hard.

No matter who or what they blame publicly, internally they know he ran a shitty, mightily incompetent campaign. The 1%ers who selected him are probably not real happy at what a good job he did of exposing their massive greed.

Somebody will warn him that as hard as campaigning is, presidenting is harder...and will put their money where their mouth is.

And if that is not enough, the money-laundering story may just grow legs while the pundits are analyzing the results to death. The media's new narrative could turn into how we dodged a bullet....

By the time 2016 rolls around, I am sure we all will remember how dumb Romney is and how he does not know who are Allies are and just maybe by then we will have a Democratic Women running against him that will Kick His Butt in the Election and show him who is in Control. The Democrats

I am thinking Elizabeth Warren!

At the end of an eight-year presidency in 2020, he would be 77 years old. No. He won't be running in 2016.

Neither will Hillary Clinton who was also born in 1947 and will be 69 in 2016 and 77 in 2020.

There may have been a time when people of that age could serve as president.

But the job is too stressful now. It requires an incredible amount of energy.

One of the advantages that Barack Obama had when he campaigned against McCain was superior stamina and energy. Voters don't like someone who moves and speaks slowly and does not project strength and robustness. Not today. Not in this day of videos and cameras and TV and YouTube. Remember when Ford fell. A physically weak, awkward or stiff candidate does not inspire confidence.

Neither Romney nor Clinton will be fit enough to run in 69 -- not unless they start working out and dieting a lot as of today -- not unless they have unusually good genes.

I keep hearing Hillary's name, but she said she doesn't want to run and I believe her. Running for president at 69 sure doesn't sound appealing.

I know most Dems expect her to run, but I agree with you that she may not. Having said that, age will not be the determinative factor in Hillary's decision.

In any event, Romney won't be the nominee again because it's very unusual to be re-nominated by your own party for President once you've lost the first time (I think Adlai Stevenson is the only one in the last century I'm familiar with).

As for Hillary, she hasn't lost a Presidential Election and is more popular now than she was in 2008 so she has the option of running if she so choses, - Romney doesn't. And many people, from Nancy Pelosi to Kirsten Gillibrand are already asking her to do so.

Incidentally, Hillary's mother just died within the last year at 92, so she has good genes.

Romney's parents also lived long lives, but as I said above, he won't be winning the nomination again, so it's irrelevant.

a second term.

I love the way Obama runs up and down Airforce One stairs.

But he would be 69 years old. I think it's over.

Or maybe he'll get the next "prophet" position when Monson dies.
If he wants to be fawned over and adored, that would be the ultimate
and would suit his ego perfectly.

Romney will be in prison.

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one who can fix everything.

Although I have noticed the enthusiasm has definitely grown in his crowds, they say he still has a very high number of people who are voting for him just because he is not Obama. But, Romney probably takes this as "They Love Me, they really do." In contrast, Obama's numbers are low in that regard.

It is truly amazing how well he is doing, given all his failings. And their end-game was brilliantly executed....don't ever put yourself in a situation where you have to explain. Hide Ryan at the end, so no one could ask him why he washed clean pots for charity. Don't go on TV so you have to explain why you did 180 flip flops during debate.

But, I don't think whatever Ann wants would matter to him. Where he will fail is assuming he was the best. He ran against the worst. In 2016, a Rubio or maybe a Christie, will snuff him out very early.

but polling data indicates that it's just not true.

Prior to President Obama's disastrous first debate, among those who intended to vote for Romney, most were driven by discontent with President Obama. The numbers were about 60-40. At that time 40% were driven by positive aspects of Romney.
In the last few weeks, and after the debates concluded, the motivation balance has completely reversed.

I think that's fascinating.

In the minds of those who indicate that they will vote for Romney (who knows what they will actually do?), they like him MORE now than they did before the debates.

Romney's numbers on "voting for him because I don't like Obama" are way higher than Obama's. I looked but couldn't find quickly. I say, since you are disputing me....you find those stats. MR's favorability among undecideds are still upside down (Gregory just said that two seconds ago).

Bottom line, no one loves this guy and he will fail because of it. Hating the other will not win

No problem.

First, our dispute is not about what motivates those intending to vote for the President. You tried to change the subject. It is about what motivates those who indicate their intention to vote for Romney and what motivates them.

In fact, the President enjoys a higher rate of those positively motivated to vote for him (86%), verses Romney's 62%.

(11/5) CNN/ORC poll numbers show 62% of those voting for Romney are doing so because they like and support him, with 37% admitting that they’re casting a vote against Obama.

(I had said 60-40 because I didn't have the figures in front of me at the time. So, I am MORE right than even I had thought )

One thing I know for sue: If you torture the numbers hard enough... you can make 'em say anything you want.

BTW - The President exhorts us to vote against Romney because it is the "best revenge" - urging us to vote against Romney. That's not motivates me. I'm vote "FOR" not "AGAINST."

Romney, the person (rather than because they don't like the other one).

But being for someone and voting for revenge, in my mind are not mutually exclusive by any means.

I'm for anyone who's also against Romney. So paradoxically, I'm voting for Obama b/c I'm for Obama. The more I despise Romney (and it grows with each passing minute), the more I'm for Obama.

I never thought I would despise any political figure more than I despised Bush. But then along comes Romney and I find that my capacity for despising has been stretched to new limits.

Hope my tortured logic makes sense

although he didn't start a fake war where hundreds of thousands died, and hopefully he never will.

Just different kind of hate.

it is not as much his policies (what are they)...it's just his character. Like if McCain won, at least you could argue that he is a good and decent man.

Wow.

someone starts mind-provoking thought !

How do you feel today ? I feel very optimistic and very excited. Watching Obama from Des Moines last night, with the tears in his eyes really reaffirmed everything. This man is a great man, and will be excited to see what he does in the next four years.

to know exactly what he is thinking....he avoids the press. But, what we do know is his public persona is 100% different than what he really thinks - evidence: 47% tape.

I actually think he has no ideology except for amassing more wealth for himself and the top 1%. I think he would run the country like that too. If it's cheaper to privatize something, he would opt for that - regardless of any ideological slant. It's how his healthcare deal started in MA....he was given the numbers that it was cheaper than the high costs of emergency rooms - and he ran with it. Helping people never entered his mind, but he's bright enough to know it "sounded" good and would help him later. Ha. blew that "helping later" deal.

So, he's a Machiavellian. He doesn't care why people are behind him. He just thinks he's too special not to get in and fix the economy. (That Obama will have already set in motion - hard work over)

Love your numbers ! I think we will win NC. Why not. Energy up. New registrants up. Nothing has materially changed in demographics - in fact, probably more open-minded liberal population than 4 years ago.

But, I think Romney will steal WI and OH. Just gut. If Obama wins, perhaps we can say that they don't have the program. Jeb hasn't given it to anyone yet. Haha

don't like being told "no" or "you failed." It will be tough to swallow, but if he loses, it will do more to help the benighted cretin than anything his money can buy.

I think Ann is the reason he's doing it in the first place. I think she wants to be first lady more than he wants to be president.

How does it feel, Mittsy????

Bake