2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNYT Opinion: Sanders, the Windows 95 of Progressive Politics?
The real progressive agenda will be written over the next few years, either to push the Clinton administration or to shape a challenge to a Republican president and Congress. But its unlikely that this new progressive agenda will be Mr. Sanderss agenda, specifically, or that Mr. Sanders himself will be the leading advocate and arbiter of progressive policies in the way that Senator Edward M. Kennedy once was. Mr. Sanders is still running the Windows 95 version of progressive politics.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/opinion/campaign-stops/is-the-sanders-agenda-out-of-date.html?_r=0
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)a fake one.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Elizabeth Warren was always the candidate we needed. I looked at Sanders carefully and decided he was no substitute. Don't you ever wonder why he wasn't famous for decades of fighting alongside Senators Kennedy and Waxman, and others, for progressive changes? Those who can, do.
Well, he finally did step up and make a difference.
This is a big contribution, and I for one am grateful (for that if not his other behaviors). But the fact that he is way behind the curve on how to proceed forward is very telling, and this article only makes a point many others already have touched on. He is a very rigid thinker, and new ideas are no more his strong point than working with others to make change actually happen is.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)I would take anything he said with a huge grain of salt.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for a long time.
Tell me, Fasttense, what would have happened if Elizabeth Warren had run for president? SHE lit the fire that Sanders took advantage of. She and others have been working for years to make progressive reforms real, mostly with relatively minor to no practical assistance from Sanders.
Would you have voted for Sanders if he'd run against her? Or would you have wanted her? Why?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)That both of them have harnessed....
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)young people without leadership or specific goals, but they were a sign of change already happening. Where do you think that black liberal in the White House came from? He wasn't dropped in by aliens with a wicked sense of humor.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)pro-Warren all the way. If I remember correctly, he ran only because Warren
chose not to.
I think Sanders ran because he is more than sick and tired of the "status quo"
which has been visiting incredible disasters upon us, and right now is responsible
for bringing our nation closer and closer to becoming an Oligarchic dictatorship!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)how great would he seem if dynamic scourge-of-Wall-Street Warren had run... My guess is not great at all.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Not the idealistic fantasy feel-good stuff Bernie is pushing.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)stuff, but not in the US of Corporations.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sanders is his call to stop the very wealthy who have been sacking our nation and are determined to restyle our government of, by, and for the people. Many others may agree, but he's the one yelling warnings from the pulpit.
jillan
(39,451 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)No thanks!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Get lost.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)You can see them all here..
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
angrychair
(8,733 posts)Far into the future:
"It's easy to talk about the virtues of compromise when you are not the one being compromised."
LuvLoogie
(7,035 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Let's put the Clintons back in the White House
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its about who is going to be the next "liberal lion" and it makes a good case its not going to be Bernie.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)As the old philosopher said "In the long run, we're all dead."
I think for the near future Sanders has broken the stale mold encrusted straightjacket that passes for democratic politics otherwise -- and politics in general.
Whether the Democrats decide to open the windows and air the place out continue to moulder is an open question.
Pardon all my mixed metaphors. Been a long day.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Over and out. Have a good night.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Change is in the air. Hillary should be a strong administrator. With luck, we'll be finding out how forward-thinking she can be in dealing with a constantly changing world. She's "progressive" politically, like all liberals, but as that article wonders, will she be out front in a new progressive wave or merely "nudged and challenged" by it?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And kinda obsolete and lacking intersectionality
TheBlackAdder
(28,222 posts).
Windows 10 is a collective data miner, sending user's directory structures and contents to Amazon and their hub for future heuristic advertising and solicitations.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Trojan Horse of progressives
Bernie is part of an opensource progressive movement.
This NYT opinion piece is garbage
DCBob
(24,689 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It reads like a The Onion piece.
Hopefully nobody takes this seriously. Or maybe that would be even funnier, if they did.
Seriously though, this opinion piece is pure bullshit.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)At least more more credible than you.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I pulled this quickly from Wickipedia, there's other stuff out there.
Time called the Stiglitz report "a roadmap for what many progressives would like to see happen policy wise over the next four years." According to the Washington Post, the Institute's plan is "firmly rooted in the conviction that more government can solve most of America's economic challenges. It is a plan seemingly designed to rally liberals, enrage free-market economists and push a certain presumptive presidential nominee to the left."
Now, not that bad? Sanders is not exactly a voice in the wilderness.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)"Expected to influence".
Given that a significant portion of her economic and financial advisers are Wall St insiders who became millionaires working at Wall St. firms, I'm not holding my breath that any of them give two shits about the growing income inequality that they are not just examples of but exemplifies given the gross exaggeration of wealth with her inner circle.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)problem with learning by experience is that Experience doesn't bother to explain the lesson. Understanding is up to us.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)I would love to see her move toward more positive change with regard to income inequality, unfortunately there is nothing in her history that would give any such indication. Her documented opinion of being broke is only having a couple million dollars.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You either actually know that it is not an accurate depiction of her character, and her history, or you do not.
This is kind of what I meant. How we choose to interpret the information that is incredibly available to us today is everything. Misinterpreted information can never become knowledge, and the entire process is inimical to wisdom.
Btw, did you know that on one study of cable TV viewers ardent Fox News viewers knew LESS about the world than people who watched no news at all? Or that by far most Fox news content is decided on based on what the viewers WANT to hear?
angrychair
(8,733 posts)My statement about her concept of "dead broke" was backed up by a reliable source, quoting her own words. Don't know about you but I have been "dead broke" and no one was loaning me almost $3 million to buy a home.
I know she came back much latter on and walked back some of that but only because it didn't tract with the public image she is trying to sell.
Read my post here, it is meant to be my final word on this Sanders vs. Clinton thing.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)the best OS to come out of MS.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)Though I might go with "Sanders is the Commodore 64" of progressive politics.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)PJMcK
(22,052 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This was a computer that looked good and interesting in the store, but couldn't really do anything, but a lot of people bought it.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)TI's problem was that they wanted to make everything proprietary, software and hardware wise, so they could maximize their profit margin. sound familiar?
-none
(1,884 posts)That row of switches across the front were used to program it so it was smart enough to boot from a teletype tape.
One mistake and you started all over on a multi-page check list. Oh the fun back then.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)reflection
(6,286 posts)And I loved my Commodore 64. I miss my old computers from my childhood.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Kevin Carey, the resident education "scholar," is the worst writer on the subject in America. He's the one who thinks we should "unbundle" high ed and just let the proles take some online courses. (People whose dads have lucrative gigs at corporate propaganda mills like New America will, presumably, go to elite schools.)
They're a front group for outfits like Gates and Sallie Mae.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)She's to progressive what Twinkies are to nutrition.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)aikoaiko
(34,184 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Something akin to Debian
k8conant
(3,030 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Good at running a couple of games but only works in one device.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Hillarian's are hilarious.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Calling him the Windows 95 of politics may be too good of a compliment.
Not only did the vast majority of Dems -- both in Congress and regulars -- support Hillary but even Dem think tanks thought Sanders' ideas were farfetched, poorly thought out and completely unimplementable. He's like the MySpace of politics.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...so Reagan must have had better ideas?
Number23
(24,544 posts)as some sort of demi-God, 30 years later.
Sanders' own colleagues in the Senate -- including the members of the Progressive and Black Caucuses -- wouldn't give him the time of day. Says it all.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)The co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus endorsed Sanders and campaigned for him.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...advocate
- free tuition
- an end to the death penalty and mandatory minimums
- legalizing marijuana
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)especially odious is the spurious attack on Glass-Steagall as outdated
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)CanadaexPat
(496 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)What an idiotic opinion piece.
Ridiculously full of shit.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I'm convinced that the writers for most media have been replaced by artificial stupidity programs.