six months ago when I saw who the other candidate was. I had been softening on him for many months and was considering voting for him anyway but Romney pushed me over the edge to Obama. I started researching and asking questions, listening to Obama more carefully and decided he was doing a good job as president unlike what I THOUGHT he would do in 2008. I've been an independent voter all my voting life and have voted MOSTLY for dems but I have also voted for some repub presidents (mostly regretfully in hindsight) and DEFINITELY not for GWB!! So that's where I'm coming from. I now support Obama wholeheartedly!

Who now sports an Obama Avatar.

I call BULLSHIT

get to decide who/what I am. I was being honest. I'm not a PUMA and never was. I vote independent of party or PUMA's, etc. Because I opposed Obama in 2008 doesn't make me a PUMA or a republican. I'm not a dem either but I wholeheartedly support Obama now. Why is that so hard to accept without assuming the worst? I've had many dem roots and ties in various elections and even campaigned and met Gore & Kerry when they visited our areas. Being an independent among rad dems or republicans is something that can't be fathomed I'd suppose. You'd think people would welcome people like me instead of falsely juding us and saying we are things we're not. If I had been smart in hindsight I wouldn't have prefaced my question the way I did about Fox and would have just let everyone assume I never in my life watched it. Then you'd accept that at face value but not what I actually said. Go figure! I'm done with this and I will likely just read the forum from here on out at least for a while until I get over being insulted! As I already said now my enthusiam has waned for celebrating with you all tonight. I will be glad Obama wins though.

Thats the definition of a PUMA: Party Unity My Ass

I was watching Faux news for the last 4 years because Hillary didn't win the primary...

Did John McCain and Sarah Palin do more for you than Barack and Joe?

Heck, what has been going on in the bubble Faux that made you think MSNBC and CNN had something different to offer?

I'm sure a few people have this poster on their list of possible "reveals" later tonight.

that mean? I now support Obama completley and have even worked for the campaign. I'm an independent voter and supported McCain in 2008 mostly out of an emotional response to Obama dissing Hillary and her not getting the nomination. Over the years, I've softened on Obama and come to realize he has done a good job. Thus my support NOW for him. I watched Fox out of habit after opposing Obama for several years. Lately I've switched to MSNBC and CNN because I can't stomach Fox during this election cycle!

If you have been canvassing for Obama, why would you still be watching Faux?

It's great comedy!

Like around 11am central...

Morning Joe or the pundits he has on.

I am no fan of Joe and so i flicked it off. So u aren't alone.
My hope is they go back to their regular scheduling very soon.

Still can't get over the "switching to Fox" bit, though. Does not follow normal logic. We *are* living in strange times, though...

who can't "understand". I was an avid Hillary supporter and DID NOT LIKE what the DNC did to get Obama the election so I held it against Obama also and wouldn't support him due to that emotional response. It was very, very bad for me in 2008 when this happened. I also bought into the REV. Wright and other garbage which I now see was not critical to Obama governing because he's demonstrated good judment and distanced himself from his past associations for the most part. Romney kicked me over the edge to Obama because I dispise him and his tea party republicans. I've always been independent voting for dem presidents (Carter, Clinton, Gore, Kerry--may have left out one or 2) and some republicans. It depends on the issues and how radical each candidate is and Romeny is too strange, radical, undecided, easily manipulated by what the thinks people want to hear, etc. I can't STAND the man or his policies! (if you can figure them out).

What did the DNC do to change the rules to favor Obama?

Did Obama distance himself from his former associates or was it haze of campaigning that turned him into a scary angry black man that he never was?

It's just the morning crew. Starting at 4 PM, you will see progressive shows with Bashir, Matthews, Sharpton, O'Donnell, Schultz and R. Maddow.

You exclusively watch Fox because MSNBC wasn't defending Hilary? That is like saying Stalin isn't sufficiently communistic enough so I am going to follow Hitler. Or PCs are not as open as they used to be so I am buying a Mac. Or the Health food store is selling less health food than they use too so I am eating at McDonalds. Or my preacher's sermons are not fiery enough so I am turning to Satanism. You get my drift.

NTTIAWWT, just think it's funn. Different drummers.

to like it here but.... I am in independent voter. I don't vote soley becasue of party. I had an epiphany and decided Obama was a pretty good president after hating him for what happened to Hillary and a few other things. I was very emotionally attached to the idea of Hillary for president and offended by the party and Obama. I'm sorry you can't understand and accept that. I'd think you'd be glad for the switch over to Obama and that I even campaigned for him here locally. I'm very disappointed in some of these responses. I guess being honest doesn't fit in with certain syncopant veiws. I will likely vote dem in 2012 unless a lot of the radicals leave the repub party or they put up a TRUE left leaning moderate candidate (which is very unlikely).

don't sit around and whine that people aren't open enough to your bizarre story about being a Hillary supporter that had an epiphany and switched to FOX.

wtf

They have people on all day that offer opinions on various political issues. In the morning, it's the conservative Joe Scarborough. In the evenings, it's the more liberal Chris Matthews, Al Sharpton, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and Lawrence O'Donnell.

WTF???

Faux news is not news; its propaganda. Designed to confuse.

The deal with MSNBC is that they do actually make an attempt to provide a cross-section of views. They have Michael Steele and Steve Schmidt frequently on the evening programs and, unlike Faux, they are given good opportunities to present their view of the issues. They aren't permitted to make innuendo and the "some people are saying" crap that goes on continuously over at Faux, but they are not shouted down, ridiculed, or cut off awkwardly.

Like Huffington Post, as any outlet grows, they start getting more concerned about a broader audience. That has caused both HuffPo and MSNBC to be decidedly less progressive in their coverage. Recently they have been right out there with the "Oh this race couldn't be tighter, and if Obama were somehow to squeak out a victory, he might not be seen as a 'legitimate' President" meme.

Faux is not really concerned about broadening their reach because they business plan, ever since Roger Ailes started working on this when he was still in the Reagan administration, the Faux concept was to create a network that was 100% a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party. That's who they are. That's what they do.

they were if you actually watched. They were rad against Obama but so was I at that point in time. I guess you and some others can't give me credit for waking up and seeing that Obama is a good president. My independent and dem roots came back to visit me this election. I'm a Clinton dem and would vote for him again if he could run but every now and then (in the past) I've voted for a repub presdient (mostly regretfully in hindsight).

Welcome back.

Not that many people escape the bubble.

I know there were a lot of nerves frayed in 2007 and 2008, but that conflict is essential to our democratic process. If Hillary and Barack were able to quickly move past that, I am wondering why it would take others 3 or 4 years to reconcile. I'm not asking for an answer. Just saying it is an interesting phenomenon that some of us are more invested emotionally in our candidates than the candidates themselves. That actually makes some sense because politicians must have thick skins, but their supporters aren't expected to be as thick-skinned.

or at all?

(and there were many emotions involved) I was really, really upset with the dem party and even some of Obama's treatment of Hillary for the sake of the nomination. They fit with my then meme of hating almost all dems. And I realize now that I was overreacting but it was a very difficult time for me. I have seen that Obama is doing a good job and decided around six months ago to support him because the old feelings I did have had faded. Part of voting is emotion to a great extent and sometimes our hearts overrule our heads. I'm really sorry if people can't understand that and accept what I have done because we don't all think alike or decide things identically. I wanted Hillary as president so badly I sort of grieved for months after she was not nominated.

I was totally pissed at the Democratic Party after 2004...even changed my affiliation to Green (more as protest than anything...I still voted Democratic and have since changed back to Dem). After 2000, I stopped listening to NPR and began tuning into Pacifica (KPFA online, to be specific). But I could never have gone over to FOX.

But, as I say, we all react differently.

You switched to watching Fox News 4 years ago because Hillary got shafted by MSNBC?

I had to reread that line a couple of times to make sure "I" was reading it correctly.

And you're a democrat/liberal? Are you watching it for fun or seriously?

This confuses me.

I'm 65 and have voted for both parties in presidential and other elections. I voted for Niion (regretfully and was for his impeachement when learning about Watergate), Carter, Clinton, Reagan (and became disillusioned with him due to Iran Contra and some other things), Gore, Kerry and McCain (whom I'm now glad didn't get elected). TODAY I am RAD for Obama. I guess someone line me isn't welcomed here as I thought. I have posted many things in support of Obama and against Romney here but I guess it was all for naught considering the way I'm being treated. I thought this was a good place.

you're free to speak your mind. But because of this freedom, others will sometimes post what they think as well--just don't be too sensitive and you'll have a good time here.

Hope you voted and that we all have a lot to celebrate tonight.

They aren't terribly discerning about where they get their information , but they're nice people.

I'm glad you're here and I'm glad you've changed your mind about Obama. That's a neat thing that happens when people get more information--they can change their minds.

This is a good place; people are just on edge today.

That's why I asked. It seemed so counter to the kind of people that come here to watch Fox News for any other reason than for laughs or just to see what outrageous things that are being suggested on that network.

I wasn't trying to be mean, I was truly confused that someone who wasn't a republican would exclusively watch Fox News.

course, I have Fox news on right now, and plan on watching it off and on today, because I want to see what kind of spin they are putting on the election results. I have no doubt that even after President Obama clinches all the swing states, they will still be calling it "close."

If you watch Fox news "exclusively," I think that probably makes you a Republican.

I say that to you as an ex-Republican who used to watch Fox a lot.

They are not "fair and balanced."

I also want to watch Hannity's head implode tonight.

makes me an independent. Some coverage of Obama up until the election got close was actually positive believe it or not AND I didn't start supporting Obama until about 6 months ago. THAT can happen you know. I quit watching the evening FOX broadcasts a LONG time ago because I don't like any of them except maybe occasionally Geraldo (depending on the subject and his stance on it). But I'm sorry that so many people here can't accept that and a "reformed" Fox watcher. This kind of stuff actually drives many people away who are actually now on your side!

that's why I will be tuning in and out too.

will implode or explode.

Imploding would be neater, but exploding would be showier, and Hannity's not one to go quietly.

has been on here since 6 am and it has been a rolling trove of right wingers all f-ing day and Joe Scarborough with that smirk is on now

Sorry you've had to hear Reich-wing BS the last four years.

I'd go take a looong shower if I was you. Oh and don't forget to flush Fox!

Then again, if you were watching Fox for that long I don't think MJ is any worse.

that I now support Obama and don't like to listen to BS about close elections and all that garbage. I realize I prejudged Obama erroneously and he really is a good president--much better than I thought he'd be. The republicans have totally turned me off due to recent radically stances on women's rights and social issues mostly (I'm a female and will not tolerate this crap from them). If things don't change and these idiots voted out I may never consider another republican again (I'm an independent voter not tied to a party--just a candidate whom I can support one election at a time).

Democratic Underground, not Independent Underground.

That's the most depressing thing I have heard in a while. Making the news up in your head would be about as reliable. All M$M is pretty much trying to make this a race even if it isn't. It's like a football game that is becoming a blow-out, they have to keep the advertisers and the network happy so they talk up the come back... Its all about money.

DU is a good place to get your news. All the BS is filtered out (well most of it) and you get all sources of news here.

Puke Joe, his Lap Dog and Mayor 9/11, 9/11, 9/11!!!!...are off.

Alex and Tweety are now on.

which now goes by a different name that people over here were really nice and understanding. I think I can now take that back. I am disliked over there by the radical and rabid Romney trollls for switching to Obama (most of them are republicans and I can't figure how they migrated there except that when Hillary didn't get the nod, they came to oppose Obama--some of them actually supported Hillary too).

I remember readin over ther ein 2008 how people here at DU were nasty to people who weren't dems and now I believe it. I guess there is no room for an independent voter who has seen the light. Too bad. I was starting to like it here. Now my enthusiam for Obama winning has been dampened and I was hopeing to share in the jubilation here tonight but feel uncomfortable now since some people doubt me. I'm not a PUMA and never was and am sincere in my support of Obama. If you look at my posts here you can see that. You can also see that I complained a few times about trolls and people worrying constantly bringing the mood down. So be it. I'll still be glad when Obama wins but sad about this place.

I even posted a copy of my ballot (picture) with Obama ticked off on it when I voted absentee a few weeks ago. Also, ALL of my posts have been radically in support of Obama--polls, comments and election forecasts.

I'm sorry about all this. I'm an emotional old woman who is teary eyed right now. Bye!

Honestly, I found your comment about watching Fox news "exclusively," odd, because let's face it, it's a Republican channel.

There are people who won't accept me because I'm a *new* Dem. Oh well. I know what I believe now and that's all that matters.

I have worked to get President Obama re-elected and am praying he does. If you have done the same that's what's important.

No matter what site you go to, there is going to be snark. It's the internet.

Be secure in who you are and what you believe and don't worry!

That is where this thinking and criticism goes wrong. I have supported various parties in the 44 years I've voted and never registered or identified with one party. I guess you could say I'm a "new dem" this time around but that doesn't mean I will be a dem forever. At this moment in time and for the foreseeable future I don't plan to vote for any republican who opposes choice in any way or by any definition or who wants to gut the middle class. I may have been wrong but in the past there have been a few republicans who are left of center whom I have either supported or considered. I doubt that will happen anymore though. When Bush stole the election from Gore I vowed to never vote repub again in my life. I succumbed briefly very emotionally in 2008 when Hillary did not get the nom. I supported Palin because she was a woman who had done some good things in AK but after the election when I began to learn more about her and her support of Tea Party candidates, I no longer supported her.

that's cool. We are all allowed to vote as we see fit.

I would just suggest that since this a staunchly Democratic site, you are going to meet with some suspicion.

At least you laid it all out there, where you are coming from, and if you believe you are of like mind concerning DU values, then you need to stick around.

I can't stomach them at all.

My husband is a Republican and he barely watches them.

He can't stomach them either.

to realize I hated the dem party after what happened to Hillary and I just couldn't stomach people who betrayed her IMO including the pundits on MSNBC and CNN. Chris Matthews really ticked me off with his dissing of Hillary and his tingles for Obama. To this day I still hate him and even now he doesn't seem to be that into Obama which NOW pisses me off too!

now is not the time to re-litigate the primary of 2008. Now is the time to GOTV and enjoy another four years of a great President.

God the peace and quiet is fabulous. The late afternoon and night pundits at mSNBC are what you want to watch. Rachel Maddow is tops. She usually comes on at 8PMcst.

See the button? Use the button!

I guess you haven't seen my threads in total support of Obama and opposition to Romney. I have tried to post nothing but positive things and not post "worry wart" type threads to bring people down. Is a troll really a person who has switched their support? Doesn't that attitude push people away instead of being glad for those extra votes for Obama? Why mush we all have the same ideology and same viewpoints all the time? I don't understand it.

If you thin I'm a troll go read my old stomping grounds Common Ground Politics (which may close forever in a few days which I why I searched for a new forum home and found this one to be a lot to my liking until this morning). You will see over there I'm a radical Obama supporter and get all kinds of grief from the republican syncopants there. I certainly wouldn't subject myself to that if I were a troll on either side.

http://www.commongroundpolitics.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=226

I'm sad this has been such a bad experience for everyone--especially me.

Even forgetting their politics, it's pure crap. They have no journalists at all.

As politics has evolved, educating yourself to get past the right wing propaganda can sometimes be a slow process.

I welcome you here, as I do all the former Republicans who have finally figured out what the GOP has become. My father went through the same metamorphosis. It took a while for him, but he went from GOP, to Independent, to becoming a Democrat.

you forgot the sarcasm tag.