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courseofhistory

(801 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:10 PM Nov 2012

Votamatic has factored in their last set of polls Some Romney southern states are pink now! Wow!

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Election Day Forecast: Obama 332, Romney 206

by Drew • November 6, 2012 • 1 Comment


With the last set of polls factored into the model, my final prediction is Obama to win 332 electoral votes, with 206 for Romney. This is both the median and the modal outcome in my electoral vote simulation, and corresponds to Obama winning all of his 2008 states except Indiana and North Carolina.

The four closest states – and therefore the most difficult to predict – are Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, and Colorado. Of these, my model only expects Romney to win North Carolina; but Florida is a true toss-up, with just a 60% chance of Obama victory. I would not be surprised if Florida ended up going for Romney. If that happens, Obama would win 303 electoral votes, which is the second-most likely scenario in my simulation. The third-most likely scenario is that Obama wins 347 electoral votes, picking up North Carolina in addition to Florida.

It’s been interesting to watch the forecasts of other poll watchers converge on the 332 estimate. Sam Wang, at the Princeton Election Consortium, also sees 332 as the modal outcome. So does Simon Jackman at the Huffington Post, and Josh Putnam at FHQ. Nate Silver, at his FiveThirtyEight blog, reports the mean of his electoral vote simulation at 313 – effectively splitting the difference on Florida, which he currently rates a 50.3% chance of an Obama win. But his most likely outcome is still Obama 332, followed by 303 and 347, just like me.

There will be plenty of opportunities to evaluate all of these forecasts once the election results are known. I’ve already laid out the standards I’ll be using to check my own model. This is how quantitative election forecasting can make progress, and hopefully work even better next time.

I’ll add, though, that on the eve of the election, averaging the polls, or running them through any sort of sensible model, isn’t all that hard. We are all using the same data (more or less) and so it doesn’t surprise me that we’re all reaching similar conclusions. The real challenge is producing meaningful and accurate forecasts early in the campaign. My model is designed to be robust to short-term fluctuations in the polls, and converge in a stable and gradual manner to the final, Election Day estimates. It appears that in this regard, the model has worked as intended.

But from a broader perspective, my model has been predicting that Obama will win 332 electoral votes – give or take – since June. If all of us are correct today, the next question to ask is when each model arrived at the ultimate outcome. That’s a big if, though. Let’s start with how the votes come in tonight, and go from there.




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Votamatic has factored in their last set of polls Some Romney southern states are pink now! Wow! (Original Post) courseofhistory Nov 2012 OP
Nice to see my home state of Kansas going a little pink. Binders Keepers Nov 2012 #1
Several counties will go Blue in KS Dkc05 Nov 2012 #3
Since there is not pink identified in the key is it just a color variation socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #6
I'm just reading about the Suppression today in goclark Nov 2012 #2
A pink South Carolina? That surprises me the most. codjh9 Nov 2012 #4
Mississippi's pink too. LuvNewcastle Nov 2012 #8
According to that map, though, it looks like SC is even a lighter pink that MS & NC, which codjh9 Nov 2012 #9
That would be incredible. LuvNewcastle Nov 2012 #10
With all these polls in agreement it makes it interesting to see... socialindependocrat Nov 2012 #5
Obviously, still a horse-race. DCKit Nov 2012 #7

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
6. Since there is not pink identified in the key is it just a color variation
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:26 PM
Nov 2012

or is it really meant to be pink?

Just wondering...

goclark

(30,404 posts)
2. I'm just reading about the Suppression today in
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:14 PM
Nov 2012

Ohio etc.
Thugs are doing all kinds of tricks to mess with the poll numbers!

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
8. Mississippi's pink too.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:36 PM
Nov 2012

It's probably because both states have such high black populations and because there is such a high turnout for blacks in this election. A lot of white Democrats also get out to vote in pres. elections, many of whom never vote at any other time.

codjh9

(2,781 posts)
9. According to that map, though, it looks like SC is even a lighter pink that MS & NC, which
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:50 PM
Nov 2012

means it's even closer (to 50-50). But yeah, I agree - I thought of the high black populations in those states and the high turnout. Gawd that would be incredible for Obama to win either of those states.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
10. That would be incredible.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:55 PM
Nov 2012

I know some people who would come close to having a stroke, and I would be laughing like hell.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
5. With all these polls in agreement it makes it interesting to see...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:23 PM
Nov 2012

It makes it interesting to see polls that don't agree and to find out why.

In future elections it would be of value to identify each poll with an accuracy grade or number.
Meaning that if all the "good" or accurate polls are designated with an "A" or **** (four stars)
and the less accurate polls are signified with 3 stars or less. Wouldn't this make the less
reliable polls want to get their act together and increase their accuracy to become 4 star polls
and wouldn't it make it less likely for a poll to sacrifice it's rating in order to to scew their
numbers for the purpose of providing PROPAGANDA for the underdogs!

Let's make out system better, more accurate, believable.
Let's get the propaganda out of politics!

We have to start somewhere!

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
7. Obviously, still a horse-race.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:32 PM
Nov 2012

Did the owners of the MSM realize they be energizing the vote with their stupid polls?

They should have led with "your vote doesn't matter" and "your vote won't be counted" from the beginning.

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