Lalalala let's just play pretend, that everyone plays fair and it's all a BIG misunderstanding.

THAT'S the problem. It's OBAMA'S campaign. Who do you think has a better handle on what is actually happening, them or you and the interweb? Seriously, the OP is right.

This is just like the first debate where a whole bunch of people fainted.

I think the Obama Campaign can handle itself.

Also, I wonder if the "OMG I ONLY GET # MINUTES TO VOTE ALERT ERIC HOLDER!!!1!" drama makes it harder for real issues

to get handled.

As I scrolled down this thread, I noticed alot of low count posters are being bullied. Ok, I guess I am supposed to instantly

have 10,000 posts to be accepted. It sorta off putting, but I am sure us trolls are gonna end up eating pizza by 10 pm anyway.

If fraud intimidation and election stealing is so horrifying, why are any of us sitting here on our puters?

Why aren't we all VOLUNTEERING at polling stations instead of manning the keyboard? Why aren't all the DUers who are sure

Romney is in the process of stealing this election as we type at their local polling stations preventing the theft?

If I thought Obama and his campaign- who were utterly flawless in 2008 btw- did not have this handled, I'd be drooling in fear.

I was right, this whole thread is an organized disruption effort.

Here's what you wrote on DU a week ago:

"I was lurking here the night John Kerry was defeated.


It went from hey let's drink the champagne to Oh God Why within hours. I want to vote and get this party started!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251198792


Here's something eerily similar from FR today:


To: jjguzzardo


When Kerry lost, they went from inquiring when the champagne was to be popped open to Oh God Why in a few hours.


48 posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:01:01 AM by baileybat

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2955777/posts?q=1&;page=1

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Exact same capitalization, even. You should change it up a little between websites...

nt

I will stay on twitter and watch as thousands of people are disenfranchised and forced to cast worthless provisional ballots.

I've been on DU since 2001 -- been there, done that.

Yes, we should win despite the bullshit... but the fact that the bullshit is there? That's kind of a big deal.

please share with the rest of us. Thanks.

As my dad would say, subtle as a flying hammer.

How's it going at the Conservative Cave?

There's something off about him

Oh yeah.

where people think they know better than Obama. Think they could have run the campaign better. Think they know what is REALLY happening more than Obama.

Do you REALLY F*CKING THINK THE FIRST AF-AM PRES of the US wasn't prepared for fraud?


I MEAN SERIOUSLY?

Honest to God I think he is a better president than many people deserve.

He has consistently shown more faith in his base, than they have in him.

because it means the Depends wearers will be busy posting in indignation here instead of elsewhere...

I find it so telling that there are people here that are so afraid of the truth.

Comparing 911 and truther stuff to the obviously stolen 2000 and 2004 elections is absurd.

No, I will not ignore election fraud, regardless of the closeness of the race. That is missing the point entirely.

You must be in another life plane or dimension. Wake up please..........

IT DOES MATTER.

WE ARE CONCERNED.

AND YOU ARE NOT HELPING!

is not helping anyone. We all need to breathe a bit.
Thank you for your post, smorkingapple. We can be vigilant, but this place is at hyperventilating stage already.

Go google Clackamas. Lookie lookie - we've got hookie.

Rethugs are actively working to steal this election, just as they always do.

Fear machine, my ass!

Shit just got real in thousands of precincts today. Voter suppression and intimidation is happening NOW.

...I'd start runnin' if I were you pal...

It is not. . . notice you've been a member for a short time- have you ever visited the forum directly related to voter activism?

You need to go read that - then you need to come back here and apologize.

Some of us are black women one generation away from Jim Crow (my father lived it).

This is serious.

It's happened before.

As a matter of fact - it happened for 100 years.

Then it happened in 2000 and 2004. And if you think that is 'truther shit' - then you are sadly mistaken.


Obviously - you are someone who doesn't 'look the part' to be disenfranchised.

And I won't stop - and neither should anyone else. .

But thanks anyway.

Calm down everyone. If you voted, you know you've done your part. That's what matters most.

I finally got around to joining this site to ask for help with obtaining a ballot in WA, but I got sidetracked by this crap. Really, we're supposed to ignore kidnappers?

Not even is being done to protect that poor woman. The Republican with a video of it is refusing to release it.

Guys, I take a slightly similar view to the original poster.

But my take is for everyone to stop freaking out over all these stories of voter suppression, id laws, lack of ballots, wait times, etc..

BECAUSE

Obama campaign should not be letting this happen at all.


Seriously people, Obama has the largest ground game ever assembled, has lots of money, millions of volunteers, thousands of lawyers, etc

SO

Obama campaign should have been ahead of all of this, they should have made sure that there were plenty of voting machines in precincts through their lawyers, they should have made sure that every precinct had enough ballots, etc.

Obama has the capability to ensure all of this even though the repug governors have tried every trick in the book, YET Obama has the massive campaign to counter this.

WHY haven't they?

Yeah, that's it.











sarcasm thingy here for the truly challenged.

Like it is up to the States to oversee?

That people shouldn't be talking about the rigged machines. NBC just confirmed that there was a machine in Pennsylvania that is switching vote for Obama to Romney.

Please do your homework. Those elections were stolen, it has been factually proven.

http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=181

Guys, for real. Don't go beating up smorkingapple and insinuating he (she?) is a troll. His point is valid and there is WAY too much conspiracy talk on this forum. That and all the hysterical/satirical bullshit threads - there really are those of us who'd like to come on here to have a place to join with fellow Dems. But when it becomes like Freeperville, we might as well just go hang out on their forum!

The bottom line is this - President Obama and his staff of intelligent and capable staff have got this. Why do you think they have all the lawyers lined up in Ohio? I wouldn't be surprised if the secret service isn't involved and I can promise you that if Ohio suddenly flips for Romney, those experimental panels Husted had installed will be taken into evidence.

If you trust Obama to lead this country, then trust him to be on top of the vote tampering.

reporting irregularities and just "trust Obama". Fascinating.

...have nothing to do with my dedication to the President, you dip.

I have volunteered my ass off for the past two months and donated more money than I can afford to the reelection of President Obama. You and posts like this is why this forum is so unpleasant.

Can you not accept that some of us just don't want to spend the day fretting over something we have NO fucking control over?

Unless you're Superman? If so, STFU, and go fix it, big guy. Obviously, you think the Obama and the DNC too stupid to do anything about it but a bunch of members who have high-post-counts on a forum are so all over it.

It's almost like this was planned.

These guys smell like pizza

...that I just knew was going to be put up today by smorkingapple. A thread that suggests we chill out and stop going on and on about conspiracies. He and I are in on it together. You smoked us out! We're really freepers here to mess with you. I've been doing it all along, dontcha know? Wow, aren't you guys clever?

There really are some just outright dense and delusional folks that post on this forum.

I've done nothing on DU but post positive threads and comments about our President. Go look at my history of posting if you aren't convinced. Then, while you're at it, please pull your head out of your ass.

Thank you.

...and spout too much. Want to keep playing?

You've run rings around my argument with your superior reasoning.

...we agree!

Guess it was.

If you are not a troll, then you are very ignorant and should sit back and observe for more than a minute.

But if it makes you feel better to think I am, enjoy yourself.

I've said on this forum repeatedly that Obama will win. He will.

In the meantime, I still agree with the OP. You guys need to chill out. You're dumbing down DU.

And why are you fretting about that? The only 'control' we have over the voting process is to voice our opinion and and raise hell if we must. Sure, roll your eyes, wise one.

I trusted John Kerry to lead the country. And then look what happened in Ohio.


ETA - This is what it means to be a black non 'citizen' per the Repugnant Ones in America: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251221242


You do realize it's like - 1956 again doncha'?

and even though they stole Ohio through these same tactics, some people thought "oh, don't worry, Kerry's got this." But he didn't. And it crushed the Country.

Just click on another thread, like I am doing right now.

Any will do

TY

I alreadyhave have a mommy ...

That is all ...

Are just do fucking lame.

Jesus folks. Some of you need a life

As soon as I get back home I'm responding to everyone.

enjoy your short stay.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014292635

for me to post video of the 2 block line in at an predominantly African American polling place for provisional ballots because registered voters are being denied.

Our lawyers are there. The Dem party lawyers are not.

Heck no!

The Republicans are bullies. If you let your guard down they will take advantage of it.

And it has to do with the math as well. There are more registered Democrats in the US than Republicans, from what I've heard.

Voter suppression is one means to decrease those numbers.

And it's already happening. It's been happening with all the Republican governor nonsense restricting early voter nonsense. It's taken court orders to stop it.

So why should we step back and take it?

Twitter, report, call holler, call the FBI, the OFA campaign, the police, the sheriff. Do not go quietly and report EVERY incident.

way over the top.

First, I do think that this is an issue. We need to report these to the appropriate people when we see this.

Second, and this is also important, the freakout/handwringing needs to stop. Be logical, report it, and trust that OFA and the mountain of lawyers they have will not just say, "oh well, Romney stole the election, moving on to 2016..."

That's why you report it, to give them ammo, but stay calm, cause they are in control. What we don't want to do is create mass panic where people are reporting things that are rumors/etc. that they don't actually see and may not be true. This will simply create a huge mess for OFA if they need to do something about it. Calm and vigilante is the way to go. Some of the original language was a bit strong in the original post was strong, but the overarching theme of not freaking out because OFA is in control of the situation does have merit.

Did you sleep thru the 2004 election debacle? Read up on it and then come back here and say 'don't worry' as the lawyers will save the fucking day.

and neither did OFA. What exactly is our freaking out going to do? I will freak out when they do. Again, report it, but don't lose your minds. Do you really think that OFA lawyers and poll watchers are going to sit there and watch this happen? If they start causing a stink, that's when I will worry. I am not saying, "don't worry, the lawyers will save the day." I am saying, stay calm, be vigilante, and understand that OFA wants to win too and won't sit by and let them blatantly steal the election. Yes, absolutely report each instance, but the freakout/mass panic stuff doesn't help anyone.

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On the ground in Ohio?

No... You are not.

I am on the ground in Ohio... We are editing video of voter suppression that is happening right now.

I was in Federal Court this morning... bringing suit.

Where is are the Dems 2500 lawyers staying? Which Hotel? Tell me and I'll bring them coffee and tell them where they need to be

The stolen election screeching is so out of place here.

There are always anomalies in anything as large and complex as a national election. Conspiracy theorists point their fingers at the anomalies and that's all they need. That's called confirmation bias. They look for confirming evidence and ignore all the disconfirming evidence.

Yes, the Republicans are doing their usual dirty tricks. But the OP is correct. If DUers are aware of them, the Obama campaign is also. Or, do people really think the conspiracy extends to OFA?

Settle down everybody. Vote!! Drive others to the polls. Do what you can to help things go smoothly.

And if you witness an anomaly, do what the dozens of posts here recommend. Report it to OFA, or your local Democratic party office.

There will be observers all throughout the process today and tonight and until the election is decided.

Our system works. Working within it works, too.

they didn't know about the software patches, that was investigative journalism plus Wikileaks.

It's looking a bit hairy in fact because the injunction was denied so many dem precincts are using the machines with the suspicious software, judge said it's too late and will impact voting ..

ARE the eyes and ears of whether voting is happening correctly. Why anyone would tell you to just shut up and assume the Obama campaign knows about it all--when they're NOT allowed to be involved at the polls...makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Explaining this Anomaly to me please?

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4792

But it strains credulity that this isn't just another case of what goes on in every election since time began.

There are always going to be these things as long as we do elections the way we do. That doesn't make it a grand conspiracy to steal an election.

Four years ago DU was alight with this stolen election silliness. What happened? Obama was elected and it wasn't close.

If you are so darn fired up about stolen elections, what are you doing posting on DU when you could be helping?

I've been doing my part. And I am now going to get ready to go to friends' house for dinner and election watch.

Keep the faith, my friend. We've got this one. No one's going to steal anything.

"If you are so darn fired up about stolen elections, what are you doing posting on DU when you could be helping? "

I was in federal court this morning.

I'm in the Free Press ops center now. My job is to post on DU, post stories, dispatch video, dispatch lawyers and monitor the count.

I'll be helping long after you are asleep tonight

Didn't intend to malign.

I just am tired of DUers screeching that this election will be stolen.

It is my belief that they are wrong.

There are always problems at the polls.

I realize the GOP is sneaky and underhanded, but if I have to see one more goddamn siren go off because a miscalibrated touchscreen didn't tabulate a vote correctly I'm going to lose it.

The vote is going to be close and many votes are being turned into provisional ballots and who knows what will happen with those. People did not get their absentee ballots on time so have to use those. Add that to many hours of waiting in line.

which was illegally applied will impact the election?

Modern day vote suppression, rigging, and intimidation are very REAL, have been well documented in past elections, and are continuing right how as we speak.

Someone needs an education.

This is systematic and wide-spread. It's also a Federal Crime.

Please, go back from where you came.

....If you don't like what other posters are reporting about what they're seeing with their own eyes, and the articles they're linking about this issue, then don't read those posts.

Simple solution, don't you think?

2000 & 2004 were illegal fascist take-overs of this country.

No, this is not sarcasm.

there is a good chance he will send changed results back.


Why does he have to have the ability to read results in real time but the whole electorate does not have the ability to read his machine in real time?

Guys guys guys guys(and gals)

1) Stop using the post count arguments. It's lame. I mean really. I know you guys let the trolls get to you, but I don't know a single fucking troll on any site I've ever been a part of that has over 500 posts and posts shit like this just to act like a Democrat to curry favor:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251219821

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251219156

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251215815

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251193795

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251181664

I'm not to rock pom poms every single post and tell you what you want to hear. This forum is supposed to encourage debate and even difference of opinions at times, all in the spirit of the same cause which is advancing liberalism and progressives. The fact that any opinion which goes against consensus but still within the TOS gets attacked is real sad.

2) Let me see if I get this shit correct. We have a Black President of the United States called Barack Hussein Obama. We also have a Black Attorney General who heads the Justice Department. Both would lose their jobs, and in Holder's case, possibly be convicted of a crime, if they lost. Yet somehow, neither of these two are sounding any alarms whatsoever about voter suppression, vote switching, vote stealing, etc . But all the ANECDOTAL evidence on this board means Obama is going to lose and we should be taking to the streets? I mean this seriously passes your sniff test, BEFORE you even get to the actual acts of "voter suppression" themselves? If the man himself is PLAYING BASKETBALL and chilling at home the day of the election that's about to be stolen from him, why the fuck are you concerned?

3) Do any of you understand what it would take to perform voter suppression at the scale necessary to change a NATIONAL PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?

4) To the black folk in here who have commented. I grew up in the hood, I know the fear based on past history, slavery, Jim Crow, 3/5ths all of that. I can appreciate the fear that this election could be stolen. Growing up in NYC, I think everything is a setup which is the only reason I have any apprehension about tonight( I fear polls may be biased all in one direction). I also know that all the "it's the man holding me down" shit is even more destructive and "vote suppressing" than anything the Right wants to pull. I also know focusing more on "voter suppression" vs the apathy that exists about national affairs in the community is what "the man" wants. Feed into that if you wish.

5) Seriously, some of the conspiracies posted here are just absurd. Vote switching machines. Kidnappings. Disappearing votes. Yet all anecdotal with no hard evidence presented other than a tweet, maybe a blog post, or a news clipping about 1-2 people who were affected. By the way, the right is talking up the same shit. These are usually signs of a side that knows they're about to lose. Wanna be lumped in with them? What happened to all the confidence that comes from having the stats and nerds on our side?

6) My larger point stands. NONE OF THIS WILL MATTER IF OBAMA DID WHAT HE NEEDED TO AND WINS BY A LARGE ENOUGH MARGIN. If this is even close enough where this shit comes into play, HE CREATED HIS OWN BAD KARMA for not being able to demolish the most dishonest, non charismatic, cynical and craven Republican candidate ever nominated. I'm sorry folks, I don't like when my teams barely beat inferior teams by the skin of their teeth or even keep them in the game. This is what happened in 2000 and 2004. We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by running inept campaigns and terrible candidates who made piss poor political decisions. That did not happen this year. Have faith in your candidate. He's only proven to be the best political performer of our lifetime.

Thanks...

HELL NO!

discuss what is going on with the vote and some people don't like it. Not very productive.

"Kimora Lee Simmons H ?@OfficialKimora
Protect Your VOTE! 1-866-OUR-VOTE has received 60K+ calls re voter suppression! PLS continue 2 call + report issues using #OVLReport!! RT!"

@AdamSerwer: Voters registered in Philly, Pittsburgh being turned away at the polls SO ARE YOU HELPING or just typing CALL 1-855-834-VOTE

LeftCoastLarry ?@LeftCoastLarry
Reports of voter suppression by Republicans rampant in Ohio & Pennsylvania #OH #PA Hang in there don't let #Teaparty steal votes #mitt2012

Linda Dapper ?@lmdapper
PA voters get to the polls now. Your vote may decide the election. VOTE stay in line as long as it takes. Don't be intimidated

Don Millard ?@OTOOLEFAN
RT @YhwhX: @JoeNBC Why does it seem to be just the poor and/or brown folks that have to wait 7+ hours to vote in Florida?
Retweeted by Kathy Randall

CaptivatingNews ?@CaptivatingNews
Colorado Secretary Of State Under Investigation For Taxpayer-Funded Trip To GOP Voter Suppression Meeting http://tinyurl.com/cr2ncna #p2

OR should we tell everyone on twitter to JUST SHUT UP??? This is democracy, baby. We don't sit around and take shit lying down. America did not fight through the Civil Rights battle by sitting in their house and hoping that their Senator would help them out. SUNSHINE is the enemy of thievery, and we are opening those windows WIDE right now. DEAL WITH IT, it's called democracy.

I myself was a bit concerned about Gopper tricks & tomfoolery today....have been for a long time, in fact. But the one way we can counteract ANY RepubliCon Party shenanigans on what may be one of the most important Election Days in history, is to vote, vote, vote! So try to get out there and make a difference.

Obama/Biden 2012.....yes, we can!

I'm pretty sure of that.

HOWEVER, every year, in every election that votes are siphoned away from us adds to the perception that some looney bin republican is close or ahead in some states or counties. A few thousand votes one year, a few thousand the next and the next thing you know it's 2012 and a blue state is being called a supposed battleground. Give it a few more years and it will be called a red state.

So rather than ceasing "with the vote rigging, supression, etc theories," we should be challenging every hint of these occurrences EVEN WHEN WE WIN. In the meantime, stay the course people. Stay in those lines and fight to be counted.

I cannot recall coming across a more irresponsible OP than this one. It pulled me out of my contentful lurking, of which I will now resume.

As you were.

I just put up a separate thread on this very subject. You were right, smorkingapple. And the thing is, you being right means Obama won!!!! Woohoo!!!!!

Let's make all voting and vote counting transparent. There is no reason for private companies to be in charge of the voting machines and its software.

Did you miss this?

I want to thank every American who participated in this election, whether you voted for the very first time or waited in line for a very long time. By the way, we have to fix that. Whether you pounded the pavement or picked up the phone, whether you held an Obama sign or a Romney sign, you made your voice heard and you made a difference.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/political/obama-victory-speech-text-full-transcript-read-complete-election-2012-speech-from-roll-call

STOP THIS SHIT PLEASE!!!!!

Education on what's on the ballot is the easiest way to combat the long lines.

Ditto all that unconstitutional legislation introduced by GOP govs in swing states and directed against Dems. You're absolutely right PBO, we have to fix that, and we will.

Deal with it.

To be honest, I think I can focus on both the returns and the verified election tampering (e.g, Clackamas County, WA-- which wasn't a "fuckup" as you so eloquently wrote, but actual vote tampering-- quite the difference, yes?), in addition to a few other concerns as well.

There are many of us who are able to concern themselves with more than simply one docket on the agenda at the same time... you may want to give it a try sometime.

However, if you believe that vote tampering is a process which should not matter, then indeed-- believe that, live that and enjoy it. (Or, you could simply "man up" and realize "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy..."