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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:45 PM Nov 2012

Tweet from Markos: Final results will look like RV , not LV screen because of higher Dem turnout

Markos Moulitsas ?@markos
Tight LV voter screens in polls assumed lower Dem turnout. We're not seeing that , suggesting final results will look like RV results






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Tweet from Markos: Final results will look like RV , not LV screen because of higher Dem turnout (Original Post) octoberlib Nov 2012 OP
RV means landslide Alekei_Firebird Nov 2012 #1
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #18
REC!!! K8-EEE Nov 2012 #2
Martin Bashir Panel sees VA going strong Obama based on "tweets" SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #3
I was just watching his show -- one of the best on TV obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #28
What is a "voter screen"? ... eom Kolesar Nov 2012 #4
Think he's referring to Gallup and other pollsters who TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #8
Set of questions they ask to try to determine LV berni_mccoy Nov 2012 #9
Oh, so there are more voters today than Gallup thought was "likely" Kolesar Nov 2012 #16
Yes. DrToast Nov 2012 #22
thanks...eom Kolesar Nov 2012 #23
they underestimated enthusiasm for Obama Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #39
Possibly even misunderestimated! swimboy Nov 2012 #41
No tevolit Nov 2012 #31
Pollsters will "screen" voters who peachpie2 Nov 2012 #11
peachpie2, "likely voters" were from the last Iliyah Nov 2012 #25
Why didn't they just say "whitely voters"... Astazia Nov 2012 #36
Welcome to DU, peachpie2! calimary Nov 2012 #42
believing steppenwolf Nov 2012 #5
welcome to DU! renate Nov 2012 #12
Welcome steppenwolf! ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #19
Welcome to DU, steppenwolf! calimary Nov 2012 #43
Just saw that. RV = no chance for RMoney budkin Nov 2012 #6
Hot Damn! berni_mccoy Nov 2012 #7
We've got all this Social Media now to help.. it's not as Cha Nov 2012 #10
And don't forget femrap Nov 2012 #15
it nearly killed the nation SoonerPride Nov 2012 #20
Cha, AND IN Iliyah Nov 2012 #27
Put that in the thread title, please TroyD Nov 2012 #13
Will do! nt octoberlib Nov 2012 #17
Feeling a bit safer.... Tippy Nov 2012 #14
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #21
Hope this translates well to downticket strategery blunder Nov 2012 #24
strategery blunder, Good Luck With That - LOL Iliyah Nov 2012 #30
Let me be more specific strategery blunder Nov 2012 #32
K & R AzDar Nov 2012 #26
kr amborin Nov 2012 #29
What does zebe83 Nov 2012 #33
Kicked and Recommended DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #34
when threads keep getting K&R'd, people are trying to keep it highly visible!! Skittles Nov 2012 #37
Thanks. zebe83 Nov 2012 #38
I kept telling people that the LV polling model was total bs! nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #35
If thats true, and I suspect it is then Obama wins big. DCBob Nov 2012 #40
I don't even know what those codes are supposed to mean (nt) harmonicon Nov 2012 #44
4 years. 4 long years of Obama bashing.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #45
I'm still on the ledge tavernier Nov 2012 #46
Excellent! barnabas63 Nov 2012 #47
Jon Ralston (Las Vegas) Tweet to Markos ffr Nov 2012 #48
Yay! Oh, and fuck CNN & Fox! SunSeeker Nov 2012 #49
Hate to say "i told you so" but I will. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #50

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
8. Think he's referring to Gallup and other pollsters who
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:50 PM
Nov 2012

use "likely voters" in their polling rather than "registered voters", which is much looser (and better for Obama).

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
9. Set of questions they ask to try to determine LV
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:50 PM
Nov 2012

Gallup has a pretty decent explanation of their questions and how that translates from an RV to an LV.

There are many, many problems in going from RV to LV and no one has done a good job of modeling it. Ultimately, it's unpredictable. The only true measure of RV to LV is the actual election.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
16. Oh, so there are more voters today than Gallup thought was "likely"
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:59 PM
Nov 2012

Do I have it right? thanks to you &midnight, too

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
39. they underestimated enthusiasm for Obama
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:55 PM
Nov 2012

and utter distaste for Romney.

they underestimated the intelligence of informed people,
when they excluded them from likely voters.

tevolit

(76 posts)
31. No
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:35 PM
Nov 2012

A likely voter screen might be that they thought 100% of registered R's would likely vote and only 20% of registered D's would vote.

Then if 50% of registered R's vote as well as 50% of registered D's, that would be an match of the registered ratio, not their supposed " likely" ratio.

peachpie2

(24 posts)
11. Pollsters will "screen" voters who
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:51 PM
Nov 2012

they believe are "likely" voters, as opposed to simply "registered" voters...

The LV model is what was used the last couple months in most of the polls.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
25. peachpie2, "likely voters" were from the last
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:31 PM
Nov 2012

election which would be 2010 wherein many voters were GOPpers. So therefore, many of the pollsters relied on this scenario. Many of the pollsters un-estimated the "Latino" vote as well as other minorities, and what they focused on were the white votes at least 70-78%. Pollsters speaking with "likely voters" pretty much ignored the rest of the field and since a large % of likely voters were white and voted in the 2010 elections of course there was an enthusiastic gap.

calimary

(81,312 posts)
42. Welcome to DU, peachpie2!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:13 PM
Nov 2012

Glad you're here! I'm nervous as all-get-out, today! I figured earlier I'd be chewing my cuticles all the way up to the elbows. DU is a great place to find sanity in the midst of the madness!





calimary

(81,312 posts)
43. Welcome to DU, steppenwolf!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:15 PM
Nov 2012

(One of my favorite 60s bands! - I bet you hear that a fair amount!)

Here's hoping this turns out the way we both want and NEED for it to turn out! For the sake of our country, our future, and our sanity! Glad you're here - tonight's gonna be a white-knuckler.



Cha

(297,299 posts)
10. We've got all this Social Media now to help.. it's not as
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:50 PM
Nov 2012

easy to steal the vote as it was in 2000! Which we know for sure was done.

strategery blunder

(4,225 posts)
24. Hope this translates well to downticket
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:29 PM
Nov 2012

The House of Representatives is probably the most important part of this particular election cycle...

The President needs a Congress that WON'T try to kneecap him at every turn, just because of his skin color or party affiliation...

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
30. strategery blunder, Good Luck With That - LOL
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:35 PM
Nov 2012

as we speak/write the GOPpers are plotting their next move to destroy America. GOP house have already determined that they will impeach Pres O over Libya. Isn't that just sad.

strategery blunder

(4,225 posts)
32. Let me be more specific
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:36 PM
Nov 2012

I hope the heavy, RV turnout translates to more DEM Congresscritters getting elected.

Let's make the GOP obstructionism irrelevant! I can dream, can't I?

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
34. Kicked and Recommended
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:46 PM
Nov 2012

By replying to an earlier post, you "Kick" that post in order to keep it on some page (just what that "Page" is, I have no clue).

Then there is a Greatest Page where any thread that gets 5 or more "Recs" is listed.

I hope that helps, but I haven't been around very long.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
45. 4 years. 4 long years of Obama bashing....
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:43 PM
Nov 2012

And all they did was talk to those who didn't vote for him the last time.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
48. Jon Ralston (Las Vegas) Tweet to Markos
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:51 PM
Nov 2012

Clark County (Las Vegas)

Got the partisan <EV> breakdown from Spanish-surnamed ballots cast early in Clark. 35,689, Democrats; 9,036 Republicans; 9,807, others. Wow. 4-1.
See under Markos Tweet in OP.

To put that into perspective, PPP polling data from day's earlier said this:

Both Obama (66-32) and Berkley (62-31) <i.e. 2 to 1> have huge advantages among Hispanics. (Some polls show it even higher, as does some field data I am privy to.) Those numbers, if right, show how both Democrats could easily win. Berkley, especially, could benefit from a huge Latino edge, especially because earlier surveys showed she and Heller fairly close among Latinos.
Jon Ralston Reports Mon, 11/05/2012

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
50. Hate to say "i told you so" but I will.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:52 PM
Nov 2012

All along I've been saying that the people in line for early voting looked NOTHING like the "likely voters" of the republican pollster myth.

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