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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:22 PM Jul 2016

MSNBC just reported that Clinton has narrowed her VP search to three people.

Tim Kaine, the senator and former governor from Virginia.
Tom Perez, the Secretary of Labor.
Tom Vilsack, the Secretary of Agriculture and former governor of Iowa.

My prediction is that she goes with Vilsack.

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MSNBC just reported that Clinton has narrowed her VP search to three people. (Original Post) StevieM Jul 2016 OP
Hope it's not true. But of that list, I think Perez. morningfog Jul 2016 #1
I didn't see anything on-line. I just heard it reported on MSNBC. (eom) StevieM Jul 2016 #5
Perez is the pick of that weak-as-dishwater list. Vote2016 Jul 2016 #32
Boring, and missed opportunities indeed. Perez the only remotely interesting choice of the three. villager Jul 2016 #51
Kaine metroins Jul 2016 #2
I have nothing against Vilsack but to me he is similar to Kaine. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #14
Kaine's problem is the $162,000 in gifts he took as Governor. pnwmom Jul 2016 #37
and he voted with the Rethugs for fast track!! AntiBank Jul 2016 #83
He generates no enthusiasm from anyone, that I am aware of. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #75
got a link? DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #3
Nope. No link. I just heard it reported on MSNBC. (eom) StevieM Jul 2016 #6
empty talking head or someone who might actually know? Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #11
I can't remember who said it but it wasn't said like a pundit giving their opinion. It was reported StevieM Jul 2016 #19
They are talking about it again on MSNBC right now. They reaffirmed that they are the StevieM Jul 2016 #23
But who said this, is my question. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #28
The various hosts on the different MSNC shows. (eom) StevieM Jul 2016 #35
Sorry, but can't get too excited by any of the names on that list... can't be true. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #82
I don't know Perez and I don't like Vilsack Renew Deal Jul 2016 #4
Looks like she is going for the white male vote. I guess that sort of hints applegrove Jul 2016 #7
what happened to Castro? MFM008 Jul 2016 #8
Castro is my choice... chillfactor Jul 2016 #13
Too young metroins Jul 2016 #31
This list screams "I'm terrified of being upstaged by my VP!" Vote2016 Jul 2016 #33
lol no it doesn't MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #42
what it screams is "bend over cuz here comes TPP up yer bum!" AntiBank Jul 2016 #85
I think of all the VP names floated so far, I think Castro has the most chance of MerryBlooms Jul 2016 #49
I really like the energy Castro brings with him. herding cats Jul 2016 #64
The Castro talk dropped precipitously a month or two ago. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #92
If that's true, Perez is the obvious pick. Hammer Trump with Hispanics. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #9
And he has the "bonus" of being a super cheerleader for the TPP. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #72
Kaine takes VA off the table and speaks idiomatic Spanish. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #10
I like Kaine but I don't know if Virginia is guaranteed by picking him. I agree that StevieM Jul 2016 #18
Every model I have looked at has VA as leaning D. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #22
Kaine brings zero votes. Name ONE person who votes Hillary-Kaine but doesn't already support Hillary Vote2016 Jul 2016 #34
Name one person who votes Hillary-Warren but doesn't already support Hillary? RBInMaine Jul 2016 #48
I'd vote Hillary-Warren but I won't vote for a ticket with Kaine or Vilsack. Vote2016 Jul 2016 #63
Me! Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #78
a shit tonne of on the fence Sanders voters AntiBank Jul 2016 #86
For Hillary-Warren, I might be willing to do something John Poet Jul 2016 #89
Its not like Trump is gonna do well with the Latino vote, no matter who is on our ticket. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #90
YUK! chillfactor Jul 2016 #12
That is one godawful list. She seems driven by a fear of being overshadowed Vote2016 Jul 2016 #73
Agreed. Huge snoozers all of them. N/t Peregrine Took Jul 2016 #81
When was the last time we had a presidential/vice-presidential candidate with facial hair? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #15
I think he looks quite distinguished MirrorAshes Jul 2016 #43
Two Toms and a Tim. BlueStater Jul 2016 #16
I don't think Thomas Perez is pandering to anybody. Read up on him. Tikki Jul 2016 #21
I said Castro, not Perez. BlueStater Jul 2016 #26
I think GHWB had only a couple of terms in the House in the mid-60's. Zen Democrat Jul 2016 #55
He obviously has executive skills... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #53
That is so biased and wrong! ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #17
ha, I can just see Trump's tweet rbrnmw Jul 2016 #41
We have neither the depravity, nor the mental illness ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #70
T for Texas, T for Tennessee... hay rick Jul 2016 #47
Probably just MSNBC trying to save a few bucks. stopbush Jul 2016 #20
Horrid list ram2008 Jul 2016 #24
Outside of one week of a bump in the polls... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #25
Gotta be Kaine oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #27
Out of that list I agree... timlot Jul 2016 #38
White males won't vote for a woman???? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #79
You don't think the $162K in gifts would be a problem? pnwmom Jul 2016 #74
Her campaign must know something that we don't. Those choices don't inspire me. CentralMass Jul 2016 #29
Come on Hillary, this pick will reflect on your rateyes Jul 2016 #30
3 vanilla white guys whose name starts with T fit her mold Backwoodsrider Jul 2016 #36
Tom Perez might be surprised to find out he's a "vanilla white guy". TwilightZone Jul 2016 #44
This selection has nothing to so with his skin color or even his ethnicity Backwoodsrider Jul 2016 #67
Perez, i hope obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #39
Disappointing if true. Koinos Jul 2016 #40
Honestly, 2 of 3 choices would be enough for me to recuse myself from active support of her campaign JCMach1 Jul 2016 #45
This is a ridiculous purist attitude. It's a VP pick, not a beauty or "excitement" contest. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #50
Not when you feel they are way too right of where you want the party to be... JCMach1 Jul 2016 #69
If that's how you feel about them, the eunuch position of VP is where you want them. stevenleser Jul 2016 #80
Perez is Still In There Night Watchman Jul 2016 #46
I hope it's Tom Perez if those are the only three choices, as the only liberal among them. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #52
Same democrattotheend Jul 2016 #54
I would have preferred Elizabeth Warren, too Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #56
Vilsack=watching paint dry..... TheDebbieDee Jul 2016 #57
PEREZ!!!!! highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #58
I'll take any one of them. Perez is a slight fave, but only cause I've seen him stump speech. Bucky Jul 2016 #59
All good candidates. Which one can best help her to win? Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #60
I wish it would be a younger person but Vilsack should not be underestimated SharonClark Jul 2016 #61
Perez is the shining star on that list jcgoldie Jul 2016 #62
willing to LOSE picks. GAH! pansypoo53219 Jul 2016 #65
Yuck. Barack_America Jul 2016 #66
Perez hollowdweller Jul 2016 #68
How many times has MSNBC been BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #71
kick & REC!!!!!!!!! still_one Jul 2016 #77
well in that case, my bet is it is someone else still_one Jul 2016 #76
Good point! BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #87
Jeez... nt Purveyor Jul 2016 #84
Kaine or Vilsack, why not just nominate a big bowl of John Poet Jul 2016 #88
Not a hugely inspring menu of choices. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #91
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. Hope it's not true. But of that list, I think Perez.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jul 2016

Boring list and missed opportunities. But I take it with a grain of salt. Did the source the info?

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
51. Boring, and missed opportunities indeed. Perez the only remotely interesting choice of the three.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jul 2016

The two Toms -- Vilsack especially -- would just confirm many of the worst fears about her campaign, from the progressive end.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
14. I have nothing against Vilsack but to me he is similar to Kaine.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jul 2016

Might was well take Kaine as he takes VA off the table and speaks fluent Spanish.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
37. Kaine's problem is the $162,000 in gifts he took as Governor.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jul 2016

Which he legally reported in Virginia -- but most states do not have such lax rules on accepting gifts and I don't think this would be a good feature for a V.P.

Here's a short interview with Vilsack, the former Iowa Governor who is now Sec of Agriculture. I think he comes across well.


 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
75. He generates no enthusiasm from anyone, that I am aware of.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jul 2016

Beside which, HRC isn't going to lose a state Obama carried.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
19. I can't remember who said it but it wasn't said like a pundit giving their opinion. It was reported
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jul 2016

in the form of news, something that had come from the Clinton campaign. It sounded like an authorized leak.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
23. They are talking about it again on MSNBC right now. They reaffirmed that they are the
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jul 2016

top three people being considered.

Renew Deal

(81,869 posts)
4. I don't know Perez and I don't like Vilsack
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jul 2016

Kaine is good a politicking. He's probably the best on that list.

applegrove

(118,758 posts)
7. Looks like she is going for the white male vote. I guess that sort of hints
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jul 2016

she is going for a blowout and the house. I hope.

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
8. what happened to Castro?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jul 2016

two crushingly boring white middle age guys and 1 boring other guy.
She might as well run alone.
Wait she picks the other 2 she will be running alone.
Hope this is a ruse to keep everyone guessing.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
31. Too young
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

Not established enough.

Hillary isn't the flashy, new model car type that everybody wants, she's the pragmatic safe car that won't let you down.

Hillary needs somebody who reinforces her strengths and can look like an adult compared to Trumps ticket.

Castros resume is to low key, and he's too young, the contrast would be a big difference between he and Hillary.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
85. what it screams is "bend over cuz here comes TPP up yer bum!"
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jul 2016
Statement by Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack on Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

http://www.fas.usda.gov/newsroom/statement-agriculture-secretary-tom-vilsack-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement

"An agreement on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations provides a more level playing field in trade for American farmers. The agreement would eliminate or significantly reduce tariffs on our products and deter non-science based sanitary and phytosanitary barriers that have put American agriculture at a disadvantage in TPP countries in the past. Despite these past barriers, countries in the Trans-Pacific Partnership currently account for up to 42 percent of all U.S. agricultural exports, totaling $63 billion. Thanks to this agreement and its removal of unfair trade barriers, American agricultural exports to the region will expand even further, particularly exports of meat, poultry, dairy, fruits, vegetables, grains, oilseeds, cotton and processed products.

"The TPP agreement would not be possible without the extraordinary efforts of the negotiating team at the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, assisted by the dedicated staff of USDA's Foreign Agricultural Service and the Office of the Chief Economist. I'd also like to thank the formal trade advisors and experts from agricultural commodity groups who provided valuable market information and creative proposals to better inform U.S. negotiators. Collectively, their efforts have led to a strong deal for American agriculture.

"Failing to grasp this opportunity would be a mistake: worse than just losing out on potential gains, our producers would fall behind other countries that are negotiating their own preferential arrangements in TPP countries. We are committed to working with Congress within the framework of the recently-passed Trade Promotion Authority to obtain a strong bipartisan understanding of and support for this historic trade deal that benefits farmers, ranchers, and all those who live, work and raise families in rural communities."


snip


Tim Kaine voted with the Rethugs for Fast Track

Senate Passes Fast-Track Bill 62-37. Which 14 Dems Voted Yes?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/22/1387078/-Senate-Votes-62-to-37-on-Cloture-for-Fast-Track-Let-s-Look-at-the-Amendments-too

The Senate just voted to pass Trade Promotion Authority (fast-track) bill 62 to 37.

48 Republicans and 14 Democrats voted for it. 32 Democrats and 5 Republicans voted against it.

Here are the 14 Democrats:

Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Tom Carper (D-DE)
Chris Coons (D-DE)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Tim Kaine (D-VA)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)


snip

Potential Clinton VP Perez still supports trade deal

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tom-perez-trade-pacific-225067

Labor Secretary Tom Perez, a potential Democratic vice presidential pick, isn't backing down from his support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the trade deal opposed by Hillary Clinton.

The debate over trade has roiled the Democratic Party, with President Barack Obama and many congressional leaders supporting the agreement and both Clinton and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders opposing it. The position is a reversal of sorts for Clinton, who has traditionally supported trade deals and spoke favorably of the TPP when she was secretary of state.

snip

"There were winners and losers in NAFTA. And that's the reality of what it was," Perez said. "And the biggest challenge that we have to learn from from NAFTA was that the provision of NAFTA said that all the other countries had to do was comply with their own laws. And if their own laws are Swiss cheese, and that was the case in Mexico, well then you're not asking them to do much."

MerryBlooms

(11,771 posts)
49. I think of all the VP names floated so far, I think Castro has the most chance of
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jul 2016

firing up younger voters. I'm not young, but I think he'd bring a great energy to the ticket.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
64. I really like the energy Castro brings with him.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jul 2016

Perez is ok, too, but Castro brings a freshness, and passion with him that awed me at the convention 4 years ago.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
92. The Castro talk dropped precipitously a month or two ago.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 04:44 AM
Jul 2016

He was all the buzz, then... Nothing.

Maybe once it became clear that Trump would win the GOP nod, the demographic benefit of having a hispanic person on the ticket decreased, for obvious reasons. Or maybe it was something else. I dont know.

My hesitation with Castro is he has a thin record on the issues.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
18. I like Kaine but I don't know if Virginia is guaranteed by picking him. I agree that
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jul 2016

it would be great to have someone on the ticket who speaks fluent Spanish.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
22. Every model I have looked at has VA as leaning D.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jul 2016

It wouldn't take much to make it a safe D imho.

He not only speaks fluent Spanish. He speaks idiomatic Spanish like a native speaker.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
89. For Hillary-Warren, I might be willing to do something
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 04:27 AM
Jul 2016

besides just vote.

For these other 'likely' choices? Not so much.

chillfactor

(7,580 posts)
12. YUK!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jul 2016

I do not like any of them.....no fiery speeches there..no real personality to off-set Hillary's calmer style.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. When was the last time we had a presidential/vice-presidential candidate with facial hair?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jul 2016

If Perez is the choice, his goatee (or whatever it is) needs to go. (Or, has he shaved it already?)

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_with_facial_hair|
Found this]

The most recent president to have facial hair was William Howard Taft (1909–1913), who wore a mustache.[9][10][11][12][13] The last major party candidate to wear a beard was Charles Evans Hughes, who was defeated in 1916.[14] The last major party candidate for President to have facial hair was Thomas E. Dewey, who had a mustache, in 1944 and 1948.[15][16] Some pundits even claimed that public disapproval of Dewey's mustache may have contributed to his two electoral defeats.[17][18][19][20]

Social scientists have researched the effect of facial hair on the electability of Presidential candidates, and currently consider facial hair to have a negative effect on candidates.[10][21][22] Today, the existence of facial hair on potential presidential candidates is regularly noted (albeit somewhat jokingly) as a harmful factor.[23][24]

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
16. Two Toms and a Tim.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jul 2016

Despite the grievances of people here, I think these are okay choices. Tim Kaine seems like an okay guy and I don't give a shit if he's "boring". She's going to capture the Hispanic vote anyway so she doesn't need a shamelessly pandering pick like Julian Castro.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
26. I said Castro, not Perez.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jul 2016

Although, speaking of Perez, it's EXTREMELY unusual to pick someone who's never served in Congress or has been a governor. Kind of a strike against him. I also think the guy is pretty unknown even to people who closely follow politics. He certainly was not on my radar until Clinton started vetting him for VP.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
55. I think GHWB had only a couple of terms in the House in the mid-60's.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jul 2016

The rest of his resume is appointments.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
17. That is so biased and wrong!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

Every guy's name starts with a T!

Why does Hillary hate names starting with the other 25 letters?

Shame on her!

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
20. Probably just MSNBC trying to save a few bucks.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jul 2016

It's cheaper to work up hit pieces detailing what's wrong with Hillary's VP choice if you limit it to three, rather than 5 or 6. They and the rest of the MSM already got burned spending tons on all those "Hillary Indicted!!!" articles they had to scrap.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
24. Horrid list
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

Hopefully she goes for Perez if she has to choose from those. Praying that's not the shortlist, this is just a head fake for Trump, and she goes for Brown or Becerra

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. Outside of one week of a bump in the polls...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

I'm not sure how significant her VP pick is going to be. Clinton is a brand. Everyone knows of her and everyone has an opinion. Mentioning her name in any setting will start a heated debate. Clinton is the show.

At the same time I do think it would be significant if she brought Hispanic on board. We need to fight in every area for equal representation.

 

timlot

(456 posts)
38. Out of that list I agree...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jul 2016

She need to be able to pull some "white male" vote. Kaine speaking Spanish is a 2 for 1. He can go directly to those communities and literally speak their language.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
30. Come on Hillary, this pick will reflect on your
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jul 2016

judgment. Kaine is pro-life and boring as hell. The other two...yawn. You can do better.

Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
36. 3 vanilla white guys whose name starts with T fit her mold
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jul 2016

I am curious the source on this one but would not surprise me. I bet any of the 3 would be easy for Clinton to work with, to have just down the hall to bounce ideas off of as I recently heard on MSNBC. Clinton has got to get the white vote back on her side if she is to govern effectively next 4 years so she is probably going to choose one these 3.

Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
67. This selection has nothing to so with his skin color or even his ethnicity
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jul 2016

No that's the reason he very well might be chosen is because he has firmly attached himself to the pro white guy establishment that is making the decisions right now in DC = no change keep things chugging along at present white guy speed and course.

JCMach1

(27,570 posts)
45. Honestly, 2 of 3 choices would be enough for me to recuse myself from active support of her campaign
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jul 2016

doesn't mean I wouldn't vote for her (I am). However, I have a strong, strong dislike for both Kaine and Vilsack.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
80. If that's how you feel about them, the eunuch position of VP is where you want them.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jul 2016

There, they will be luck to cast one tie breaking vote a year that the President will direct them on which way to vote.

Other than that they work on projects for the President under the direction of the President concerning how those projects will turn out.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
56. I would have preferred Elizabeth Warren, too
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jul 2016

...because the public knows more about Warren and her dedication to ordinary people.

Hopefully, Tom Perez is like that, but he has less of a public record than Warren.

Bucky

(54,041 posts)
59. I'll take any one of them. Perez is a slight fave, but only cause I've seen him stump speech.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jul 2016

It'd also be nice to have a bald man in an age of hairballs

Kingofalldems

(38,469 posts)
60. All good candidates. Which one can best help her to win?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jul 2016

That is who she should pick, assuming all would be acceptable to her on a personal and political level.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
61. I wish it would be a younger person but Vilsack should not be underestimated
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jul 2016

He is very loyal and gets along well with Hillary. He's super-smart when it comes to policy and getting things done. He is honest and humble. He should have a cabinet position if he wants it.

"The towering competence of Tom Vilsack"
[link:http://www.carrollspaper.com/Content/Default/Homepage-Rotating-Articles/Article/The-towering-competence-of-Tom-Vilsack/-3/449/22445|

BlueMTexpat

(15,372 posts)
71. How many times has MSNBC been
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 05:44 AM
Jul 2016

right about anything related to Hillary? IMO, this is part of the ongoing media speculation, just as they create "horse-races" and differences where none really exist as well. And just as they continue to enable the GOP in its constant scandal-mongering.

Until Hillary herself says something otherwise, I will continue to believe that her VP selection will not be any one of these individuals.

But I will support her and the running mate of her choice. Period.

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